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zentac
22-08-2005, 10:27 AM
I recently contacted a silicon hose company with the view of creating hoses to replace all the black rubber hoses that make up the turbo/intercooler/air intake pipework.



Hi,
I am a member of the VR4 owners club and Ive just been pricing up a number of intercooler hoses from your site and because of the complexity of some of them they endup being quite expensive and the sizes arn`t exactly what we need. I was wondering if you do moulding for complexed pipework? Im sure we could sell quite a few kits if the price was right.


The 5 pipes I've priced up contain
Pipe 1 Qty £60.77
70mm 90 degree 1 £16.00 £16.00
70mm joiner 1 £6.99 £6.99
70 - 57 straight reducer 1 £12.00 £12.00
57mm joiner 1 £6.99 £6.99
57mm 45 degree 1 £13.75 £13.75
50 - 70 clips 4 £1.26 £5.04

Pipe 2 £18.90
70 - 63 mm reducer 1 £18.90 £18.90

Pipe 3 £13.50
54mm 90 degree 1 £13.50 £13.50

Pipe 4 £68.51
76 - 63 45 degree reducer 1 £19.00 £19.00
63 straight 1 £40.00 £40.00
63 joiner 1 £6.99 £6.99
50 - 70 clips 2 £1.26 £2.52

Pipe 5 £39.51
63mm 90 degree 1 £15.00 £15.00
63mm 45 degree 1 £15.00 £15.00
63 mm joiner 1 £6.99 £6.99
50 - 70 clips 2 £1.26 £2.52

Total Cost approx £201.19


Now they have come back with the following reply




Thank you for your enquiry.

In order to produce a custom hose we either have to ask you for the cost of the tooling or if we have to set a minimum order quantity so that we can at least recover the part tooling cost on the first order.

Based on the description of you hoses the tooling cost for hoses you describe would be approx £300
Alternatively if you did not wish to pay the tooling cost we would ask for a minimum order of 20 hose kits before we would start production.

In both cases we would need a set of original hoses as the pattern and the process would take approx 8 weeks.

What I might suggest as a cheaper and more convenient alternative, unless you wish to commit to the above expenditure, is that you stick to your original idea of combining the components we already produce and I offer you and your fellow club members a 10% discount off our website prices. Alternatively if you and your fellow members wish to purchase 5 sets of the hoses you have identified I can increase the discount to 20%.


So my question to you guys, who would be interested in a set of custom hoses to replace those nasty expanding black ones. Once I get a rough idea of numbers I will have a chat with them and find out a price for the kit based on the number of orders I get.

Axeboy
22-08-2005, 12:28 PM
Im in

MR.VOODOO
22-08-2005, 01:24 PM
if it helps i have a samco account !

BraindG
22-08-2005, 01:25 PM
What company is this Rich, and... are we forced to have one colour? i mean, when the time comes i want red... but others have blue...

michaeli
22-08-2005, 01:27 PM
I would like them too.... put me down... can we choose colours??

SGHOM
22-08-2005, 03:34 PM
as you know Rich............ mine are off the car at the moment. /yes you can take them as samples, but I'm sure they can be made one piece without the VERY expensive reducers ?? /Hmmm

And I want them back within 5 weeks............. not eight !! /grr /Steeringw

MR.VOODOO
22-08-2005, 05:37 PM
samco will make hoses to order without the joiners they need samples to copy
their lead time is 6-8 weeks for special orders
if you want me to get involved let me know

regards ian

zentac
22-08-2005, 05:54 PM
I dropped a similar email to both Samco and www.siliconhoses.com the latter are the ones that replied above. We can have any colour its just the number of orders that they need to make it worth while making the tool up.

Ian if you want to chase Samco on it then feel free but I only posted the email yesterday.

MR.VOODOO
22-08-2005, 06:35 PM
it,s your baby so you can run with it
if samco get funny , about not having an account , as i have one then i can help out

just let me know

regards ian

bernmc
22-08-2005, 08:01 PM
I'd be interested, but it does depend on price - ie significantly less than the cusco set.

Spirit
22-08-2005, 08:07 PM
You could also try SFS, they were very helpful when I needed them (unlike Samco) and I currently have some red ones (to replace the few blue ones) on back order - again a lead time of 6 to 8 weeks.


http://www.sfsperformance.co.uk/

Spirit
22-08-2005, 08:08 PM
I'd be interested, but it does depend on price - ie significantly less than the cusco set.

The cusco set is part and parcel with the s/s pipes though......and if you just want to change those pipes you will be hard pushed to beat the price

bradc
22-08-2005, 08:33 PM
I think it would be a little difficult for them if you sent the original rubber hoses, they flex so much that it would be difficult to get it accurate.

I've contacted shops around here about making up a complete set for me from the turbos in 2.25", then joining to make 3", then going to a 600x300x100mm intercooler, then back up to the throttle body in 3" as well, and they have quoted me around $1200-1800 with a big front mount intercooler included in the price. This would all be done in metal as well. This would of course mean leaving my car there for a week or two.

zentac
22-08-2005, 08:34 PM
You could also try SFS, they were very helpful when I needed them (unlike Samco) and I currently have some red ones (to replace the few blue ones) on back order - again a lead time of 6 to 8 weeks.


http://www.sfsperformance.co.uk/


Ive just sent them a similar email, so lets see what they come back with

MR.VOODOO
25-08-2005, 09:30 AM
just a qucike
some people i deal wirh in the usa do a hose git for the 3000gto and 3000gto vr4
i wonder if any of these are the same ?

zentac
25-08-2005, 10:12 AM
The reply I got from samco was



Hi Richard,

Thank you for your email and sorry for the delay in getting back to you. In
order for us to consider developing a new kit we would need an order for at
least 25 kits, this is due to the large tooling costs. This order would
have to go through on of our distributors, say Amber Performance for example
as you could not purchase them directly from us, however, some of our
dealers do offer discounts for group buys.

I hope this is of some help.

Thank you again for choosing SamcoSport
Best Regards

MR.VOODOO
25-08-2005, 01:06 PM
like i say the order can go through me but can we 25 on board

zentac
25-08-2005, 01:09 PM
just had sfs on the phone and they would like a set of hoses for a few days so they can price them up.

Derek can you post yours for me with a return address and he will return them ASAP. Im on holiday tomorrow for a couple of weeks now so there may not be an update until I get back.

Simon
SFS Performance Ltd.
Unit E,
Kingsway Industrial Estate
Kingsway,
Luton,
Bedfordshire
LU1 1LP,
UK

Spirit
25-08-2005, 06:41 PM
SFS have proven very helpul to me, I called them today to see how my back order of red connectors are doing and they are being made as I spoke to them so they should be here next week :thumbsup:

michaeli
29-08-2005, 05:04 PM
just a qucike
some people i deal wirh in the usa do a hose git for the 3000gto and 3000gto vr4
i wonder if any of these are the same ?

No, they're not the same layout, the GTO is the same layout as the 7G 2ltr Twin Turbo VR4... the 8G's are different...

michaeli
07-09-2005, 10:14 AM
will we have them in time for Japfest, Oct 9th??

Mike

bensonsnuts
08-09-2005, 09:37 PM
No, they're not the same layout, the GTO is the same layout as the 7G 2ltr Twin Turbo VR4... the 8G's are different...


OOOOOOH ! That would be me then /Hmmm

Is there any way to check that ? I've seen GTO hoses on offer before , but never thought they would have anything in common with mine. I'll have to get aquainted with some GTO drivers /pan

ghanda
08-09-2005, 10:02 PM
I'll be in for a set, whichever way it goes :)

SGHOM
08-09-2005, 10:10 PM
you could always go for the bigger intercooler which Bonzai boy is selling ??
that takes care of the bottom hoses, just need to source the top 3 !! /yes :thumbsup:

SGHOM
19-09-2005, 09:52 PM
just had sfs on the phone and they would like a set of hoses for a few days so they can price them up.

Derek can you post yours for me with a return address

and I did just that !! /yes
for a few days ?? /Hmmm I called them this morning, & the guy I sent them to [ FAO ] no longer works there ! ! So my hoses were abandoned at their factory, & no-one knew who they belonged to ?? :embarasse
hopefully now sorted, & they should be back with me tomorrow. /yes

Louis
20-11-2005, 11:27 PM
Any news on this one?

kitefighter
19-12-2005, 06:44 AM
A year or two ago, when Amber Performance used to be local to me in Luton, I went through the GTO samco hoses with a view to attempting to install whatever I could on my 7G VR-4. Not a single pipe matched.

As everyone here is talking about the 8G VR-4, I'm not going to be able to add my name to your list, much as I'd like to.

However, I've seen some VR-4 under bonnet work where the black hoses were replaced by custom made steel pipes. What are the pros and cons of going this routes?

WildCards
22-02-2006, 02:21 PM
Any movement on this?

jayjay99
22-02-2006, 04:52 PM
I'm interested if this is still happening, I was thinking about doing this if they knocked 20% off the price in your first post thats £160, seems very reasonable to me.

MidnightSun
22-02-2006, 11:54 PM
I assume we stuck at about 12 of the 20 people we needed for this and have heard nothing since.

jayjay99
23-02-2006, 11:07 AM
Could we raise this again, I'd be in, see how many we can get together?