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BraindG

08-09-2005, 01:42 PM

lunch break...

I had to go to halfords, i didn't have a 19mm socket that was long enough to get of the downpipes... also i ran out of wd40...

k, passenger side suspension in bits, driveshaft is out, the exhaust is off.. all pipes are off.

after lunch removal of drivers side drive shaft, and propshaft... then, the moment of twuth..... removal of transfer box, and gearbox... /help

bernmc

08-09-2005, 02:06 PM

That hoist must be to support your cajones - they must be HUGE :D???

adam_shaw

08-09-2005, 02:16 PM

PMSL :joker:

Kieran

08-09-2005, 03:24 PM

We're not worthy, we're not worthy!

Keep going! :happy: :thumbsup:

BraindG

08-09-2005, 03:56 PM

well thus far only prop is off, im trying to get drivers side side suspension appart.. but its being a right pain in the nads..,. so quick break, regen and try again...

ive also labbelled all nuts and bolts.. (on paper sheets stating what they are) taken rust off battery shelf, cross member and propshaft.. which i have now resprayed a nice black colour :p

once bettys back to take over from fay duties ill hopefully get the transfer box off.... then shower and off to dinner with birthday boy.

I-S

08-09-2005, 04:47 PM

You, my friend, are certifiable. Good luck!

SGHOM

08-09-2005, 04:49 PM

Go Barry................... go Barry !! /yes /Steeringw :thumbsup:

Physician

08-09-2005, 04:53 PM

Keep going Barry ........... we're all sitting on the edge of our seats waiting for the next update.

Love the article pages stuck in your house window! :thumbsup:

bernmc

08-09-2005, 04:58 PM

And take plenty of pics - if I can find enough manual bits, I may look at converting my car to a proper box!

BraindG

08-09-2005, 05:39 PM

hehe, thanks :)

well, i tried to keep going, but the heavens opened up... i am now completly soaked... ill wait 30 mins see if it dies down a bit, however i think thats all i can do for today..

I must have spent about 30 mins alone trying to get the prop shaft off /pan /pan :rolleyes4 and about 1hr trying to get the nut of the drivers side srive shaft!! argh... /help

Anyhoo, prior to the heavens opening up, I managed to get everything off the car, other than the transfer box and gearbox. ive got a few more tips, and additions to dickytim's article.. as I found some easier ways of doing things, so ill add my points once the jobs completed..

Well spotted, those are ineed the pages from the article stuck to the window :p

Paul Beazer

08-09-2005, 08:00 PM

Auto to manual conversion is it??

How hard is it to get the driveshaft nut off?? Not TOO hard i hope, got mine to do on sat!

Good luck!

HJM

08-09-2005, 08:40 PM

Great stuff Barry :thumbsup:

Spirit

08-09-2005, 10:54 PM

Got to hand it to you mate, you have balls !

Good luck with the rest of the project :thumbsup:

BraindG

09-09-2005, 09:30 AM

Auto to manual conversion is it??

nah, just a clutch change, mines already a manual :p

BraindG

09-09-2005, 09:48 AM

ok, day 2. 9:45 and off I go, ill report back once the transfer box, and gearbox are off

Wouter

09-09-2005, 10:18 AM

You sober yet??

BraindG

09-09-2005, 10:19 AM

You sober yet??
yes ma'am.

BraindG

09-09-2005, 02:15 PM

4 hours later! grrr... atleast the transfer box is off :rolleyes4

gearbox is next, however i need a short dumpy 14mm socket... which i don't have, but wouter does, cos he got a nice new shiney socket set for his birthday :thumbsup: - so im waiting for him to return..

heres a couple more pics while i wait.

andy43

09-09-2005, 04:42 PM

:thumbsup: All credit to you for having a go at this - daren't think how much a dealer would charge in labour :rolleyes4

If the Halfords you went to was the one on the A56 in Altrincham, about half twelve yesterday, I was in there as well - I thought it might have been you, but wasn't sure enough to say hello.

My :smash: mission for today (engine filter/oil change, rear diff oil change) is almost accomplished - just need to do the transfer box oil now - looks like you may be a while longer with the clutch :rolleyes4

BraindG

09-09-2005, 05:06 PM

that would have been me :) - you should have shouted.

well, its out! - i just can't figure out how to get the clutch out! :inquisiti /help

BraindG

09-09-2005, 05:07 PM

:thumbsup: All credit to you for having a go at this - daren't think how much a dealer would charge in labour :rolleyes4

700 quid i was qouted! /grr

enigma

09-09-2005, 05:19 PM

well, its out! - i just can't figure out how to get the clutch out! :inquisiti /help

Angle grinder and a big hammer?

BraindG

09-09-2005, 06:37 PM

Finally!! - bloody thing, i couldn't get the thingy off the thing... but just as i was packing up it came to me!...

theres a clip... which i didn't see before. the following pics should give you an idea, ive no idea what the parts are called, so ill not even bother. if someone could enlighten me to their names, the clutch housing, and the round thingy that would be great :p

obviously this is on my new clutch, but the same applies when its in the bell housing (think its called.. lol, im doing all this and ive no idea what things are called.. )

BraindG

09-09-2005, 06:42 PM

I came across a problem, well its not a problem as such, more another way of doing it... here are some pics of the old, and new clutch bits.. and also the thingy thats on my engine, youll notice on the flywheel that the outer bolt patterns are non existant on the new flywheel.. . which leaves me thinking ive to use the 7 bolts that are on my engine block.. but im not sure if i have to remove the round spinny thing from my engine block before attaching the new flywheel, or it bolts on aswell as it... however i doubt the latter is correct.

hopefully someone will know... other wise super Mo will be getting yet another undescriptive phone call, asking if the thingy, on the thing has to be put on the thingy on the other side of the thing... /yes

bernmc

09-09-2005, 06:47 PM

mmm. Does look like you need to swap the plate from your engine off, and replace with your new one... surely those bolts will go through the new plate without separating it from the new flywheel??

SGHOM

09-09-2005, 06:49 PM

theres a clip... which i didn't see before. the following pics should give you an idea, ive no idea what the parts are called, so ill not even bother. if someone could enlighten me to their names, the clutch housing, and the round thingy that would be great :p

)

the 'thingy' with the 'splines' on is you're pressure plate. /yes
A lot of clutch failures is due to one or more of the splines becoming detached.

BraindG

09-09-2005, 06:49 PM

yeah, i think it will.. looks ok, compared ok.. its just if thats the case, its going to be a right pain in the balls.. cos half the clutch will be in gearbox, flywheel on engine block, and ive got to somehow manage to move the gearbox over, line it all up and then tighten the flywheel to the rest of the clutch... :inquisiti :rolleyes4

Wodjno

09-09-2005, 07:05 PM

Excellent stuff Barry.. And will be dispatching a brand new heavy duty wheel barrow off to you tomorrow.. /yes :thumbsup:

It's for you to carry your Nads around in..

Cos they gotta Foooking MaHooooooosive to attempt what your attempting.. /JawDroppi And with all those things tooo.. :dizzy2: /GJ

BraindG

09-09-2005, 07:09 PM

Cos they gotta Foooking MaHooooooosive to attempt what your attempting.. /JawDroppi And with all those things tooo.. :dizzy2: /GJ

Way to many things /help

Kieran

09-09-2005, 08:47 PM

We are all even more not worthy!!! :rolleyes4 :inquisiti

/GJ

BraindG

10-09-2005, 02:28 PM

HOUSTON, WE HAVE A PROBLEM! /Hissy :furious3:

Andy and Derek showed up this morning, and the mood was positive. (thanks for turning up guys, and i feel a bit crap that we couldn't get anywhere, specially for derek :( )

We started by removing the plate and spacers from the engine block... as you can see from the decond picture there is a circle that sticks out, around which those spacers lived, and to which the flywheel disc sat snuggly..

BraindG

10-09-2005, 02:29 PM

Now, if we look at the flywheel again, which i already posted earlier you will see the problem, or atleast understand it easier...

http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6766&stc=1&thumb=1

bascially, if you look at the centre you'll see a large indent, inwhich are the 7 (8) holes that are used to bolt the flywheel to the engine block... however due to the centre on the engine block (second picture above) it wont sit with 100% surface. Which means there will be alot of pressure on the areas around each bolt hole on the flywheel... not good.

so, we're gonna have to get a spacer machined, which will look like the ones in picture 1 above.. which will fit into the indent on the new spec flywheel... which, hopefully will resolve the issue..

andy43

10-09-2005, 02:30 PM

Can't get your phone number out of my PMs (poorly website?) to phone you to find out the verdict... I'll just have to wait for you to post it here /Hmmm

Doesn't look too hopeful tho'? /grr

BraindG

10-09-2005, 02:31 PM

nah, we can't do anything untill at very least monday... we gonna have to get that spacer machined... ive got a contact that the guy from clutch place gave me..

andy43

10-09-2005, 03:16 PM

Just thinking aloud here - the machinist will need the size of the 'ring/lip' on the engine output shaft - unless the spacer is an absolutely perfect fit to both the engine and the new flywheel, exact centering of the flywheel will be impossible - so the machinist might need to visit your engine with some measuring equipment for diameter and depth, 'cos he won't be able to do it without the 'ring' dimensions.
I don't know how accurate you need to be when fitting the flywheel, to stop vibrations/imbalances, but a magnetic-mount dial test indicator might be worth hiring/borrowing so you can turn the engine and check the flywheel's dead central by running the DTI on the outer flywheel edge.
Let me know when the 'box is ready to go back in - still not had one of these famous sandwiches :thumbsup:

BraindG

10-09-2005, 03:19 PM

p.s. ive updated my previous posts with pictures now.

Thats a point Andy /Hmmm

however i still have them spacers from the old flywheel which fit right, so providing the centre of the spacer is that size, and the entire width/depth is the same as the one on the flywheel, it should be ok?

andy43

10-09-2005, 03:23 PM

Yeah, if he can get accurate measurements off the shims/spacers off the old flywheel, that should do ok?
Another thing - does it need longer bolts?!
Bet they need to be some sort of high tensile steel as well, not B&Q ones /Hmmm
A competition clutch specialist's advice is needed /yes

BraindG

12-09-2005, 02:03 PM

ive got an engineer coming round to my house tonight.. so he'll be able to hopefully sort me out a spacer. ill ask about the bolts aswell, just incase.

ill update ya'll l8r. :rolleyes4

wirdy

12-09-2005, 06:54 PM

Great posts so far Barry.

You are indeed a pathfinder for those of us with proper gearboxes. :thumbsup:

richy rich

12-09-2005, 07:16 PM

bloody hell barry you have got the balls of a elaphant.
hope all goes well.

Kieran

12-09-2005, 10:08 PM

You are indeed a pathfinder for those of us with proper gearboxes. :thumbsup:

/grr

BraindG

13-09-2005, 01:30 PM

/grr
by the lack of comments, im assuming you find the comment correct? :P

Quick update:
The guy came round last night and had a look, he felt, groped, ummm'd and aaaaah'd.
He decided it was an easy enough operation, and promptly left with one of the old spacers (for the central gap) and the flywheel itself (lol - I don't even know who he is, where his workshop is and infact that he's who he says he is.. but im sure it will be fine)

Today, I am expecting a phone call from the gentleman, whom was indeed (or at least appeared) to be knowledgeable in his engineering field. The total cost... £50 I enquired about getting a template made up, incase others want to use an EVO8 flywheel, so watch this space.

Regarding the bolts.
After close inspection of all bolts, I noticed that the locktight was only up to a certain point on about 4 of them. which, in my eyes suggests those 4 bolts never went any further into the engine block than that point. so, I took one of these bolts, pushed it through the Spec flywheel and noticed that the locktight came up flush with the area that will be flat on the engine block, so in other words I don't think ill need to organise longer bolts.

stay tuned for the next enthralling episode of "So here it begins - Clutch-tastic"

andy43

13-09-2005, 07:10 PM

The story continues...

I don't even know who he is, where his workshop is and infact that he's who he says he is..

See here for Spec R flywheel just appeared on ebay :leer:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mitsubishi-Evo-1-2-3-Alloy-Flywheel_W0QQitemZ4575142287QQcategoryZ10400QQssPa geNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mitsubishi-Evo-1-2-3-Alloy-Flywheel_W0QQitemZ4575142287QQcategoryZ10400QQssPa geNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Only joking, bet it made you panic tho' :rolleyes4 :rolleyes4

£50 is a bargain for the spacer - nice one :thumbsup: I had visions of lots of toothsucking and ooohs and aaahs... it is going to be metal not wood isn't it :evil2:

BraindG

13-09-2005, 11:08 PM

i picked it up today (will post pics in morning, cos my phone cable is at work) noy-o-boy he did a good job!.. looks fantastic, fits perfectly! money well spent..

the only other thing now, are those damn bolts, after looking at them in a bit more depth, ive come to realise, they are indeed a bit to short.. and id like to get some longer ones made... i might aswell, seeing as its all in bits.,,,

theres a place close to where i work, ill pop in tomorrow, see what they can do.

BraindG

14-09-2005, 08:30 AM

And here are the pics, once i go to the transmission place around the corner at lunch, ill find out what the crack is with the bolts...

Paul Beazer

14-09-2005, 09:10 PM

Mmm lovely machined aluminium, dribble!

Couldnt you get in anodised colours? /pan

Dan_G

14-09-2005, 09:20 PM

Just brilliant.....

Brilliant.... brilliant........ :thumbsup:

I like this thead alot......... The 'just do it' mentality really is the best way to progress any job...

Dan

P.S. manuals are best.......... AUTO'S SUCK :lipsrseal /STP ....... by the way all you auto boys... :- we all know what you're doing with that spare hand .... :rolleyes3 /Banana

I-S

14-09-2005, 09:30 PM

That's right. Keeping it on the steering wheel where it's meant to be. /Steeringw

Kieran

14-09-2005, 09:43 PM

....... by the way all you auto boys... :- we all know what you're doing with that spare hand .... :rolleyes3 /Banana

Using it to smite those luddites who are too ignorant to realise than INVECS is better than they are! /pan /pan /pan

/STP

Paul Beazer

14-09-2005, 10:06 PM

Luddites?

I'll have you know i've used pneumatic tyres for some years now. Bloody cheecky whippersanppers, pah!

Next they'll be wanting roofs and doors......

BraindG

16-09-2005, 08:36 AM

Hopefully tomorrow the reassembly will commence...
Ive had a dose of the flu the last 3 days, and my muscles are really really sore.. it feels like ive pulled a muscle in my neck, and ive had pains in my chest.. however this isn't a doctors forum, so lets get back on track..

Wouter, very kindly picked up a bolt, the flywheel and headed off to his father in laws. Whom, i believe has been a something engineer for a considerable amount of time... anyhoo, on seeing the bolt, the flywheel he said there shouldn't be an issue with the bolt being 3 threads shorter.. so, we're just gonna get on with it.

ill keep youz posted,

Freddy

16-09-2005, 09:50 AM

Going back to the picture for a moment, interesting background ......
Little bald head, baby wipes, bag of drugs? /Hmmm

enigma

16-09-2005, 09:55 AM

bag of drugs? /Hmmm

I suspect it is actually a used nappy in a nappy sack! :inquisiti

BraindG

16-09-2005, 02:08 PM

hehe.. that wee baby head is our wee Fay.. poor Betty, putting up with dads car bits everywhere...

Paul Beazer

17-09-2005, 09:39 PM

Looks more like a cabbage, a bald blokie, an egg slicer and a bag (very big!) of weeed!
Good luck with the putting back together. Hope you're feeling better!

BraindG

17-09-2005, 10:52 PM

we ended up taking the engine out, tip it on its end just to get the gearbox on...

full story, and pics tomorrow..

BraindG

18-09-2005, 08:39 AM

i just realised i cant upload the photos, cos my phone usb cable is at work.. doh, ill get them up on monday then...

im hoping that today ill get it running again, so ill keep you posted. :thumbsup:

Kieran

18-09-2005, 11:27 AM

we ended up taking the engine out, tip it on its end just to get the gearbox on...

full story, and pics tomorrow..

:inquisiti :inquisiti /help

andy43

18-09-2005, 03:05 PM

Been helping Barry and Wouter (to eat Pringles mostly) for an hour or so this morning - so far they've... nope, that would spoil the suspense :thumbsup:
Crazy crazy people :rolleyes4 :rolleyes4 :rolleyes4 :thumbsup:
Once you've done a VR4 clutch, anything is possible

BraindG

18-09-2005, 09:44 PM

There we were, wheels on, car on ground...

I jump in drivers seat, and turn her over.. splutter, splutter, pop, pop... vrOOOMMMM.... :thumbsup:

So we turn it off, clear up to drive way, just incase the clutch would grip and launch me to kingdom come... the other problem was that about 3 feet away, and covering half the car to the drivers side was a wall :rolleyes4

We cleared up driveway, I jump in and screw the gearknob on, pump the freshly bled clutch a few times, look over to Andy with a worried expression and start the car...
firstly, full lock left, hopefully if it does launch me id miss the wall...
wouter scurries away from infront of the car,and i wind down windows so i can hear for issues...

the moment of truth, clutch in, 1st gear selected and i take a deep breath...
I grip the steering wheel and slowly, oh so slowy let the clutch out... it bites, and the car angelicly (sp) moves off up the drive!! :thumbsup: /Steeringw

At which point we all jump in and go round the block a couple times, all gears working, even reverse!! :drummer:

ill update with fuller story tomorrow, time for dinner and petrol!

big thanks to Wouter!! Andy, Derek and of course SUPER MO!

Well, Well, Well........... i don't fecking believe it!!!!!

IT WORKS!!!!!!

/Banana /Poms /haz

SGHOM

18-09-2005, 09:49 PM

big thanks to Wouter!! Andy, Derek and of course SUPER MO!

but... but....... I didn't do nuffin ?? :embarasse :embarasse apart from drive you to the shops !! /yes
glad to see it's working though !! :thumbsup:

zedy1

18-09-2005, 09:50 PM

thats great news barry, did you just finish it now? :thumbsup:

HJM

18-09-2005, 10:03 PM

IT WORKS!!!!!!

/Banana /Poms /haz

nice one :thumbsup:

BraindG

18-09-2005, 10:20 PM

thats great news barry, did you just finish it now? :thumbsup:

Yup, about 5 mins before posting :)

BraindG

18-09-2005, 10:20 PM

but... but....... I didn't do nuffin ?? :embarasse :embarasse apart from drive you to the shops !! /yes
glad to see it's working though !! :thumbsup:

You came over, we could have had it working that day though!..

Kieran

18-09-2005, 10:31 PM

Fantastic! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: /Steeringw

/Where's the 'Bow' smiliey gone?? :happy: /yes

Wouter

19-09-2005, 07:43 AM

What a top expierence!! :thumbsup:

Barry you can help me tinker with the Mighty Mazda anyday!!

BraindG

19-09-2005, 09:35 AM

Couple taster photos.

Wouter

19-09-2005, 10:03 AM

/haz

I look at the engine in the last pic, and I still can't believe it started first time!!

Well Done mate!!

Kieran

19-09-2005, 11:22 AM

'Kin 'ell!! :inquisiti

You took the whole engine out?! You have been busy!! :rolleyes4

BraindG

19-09-2005, 01:40 PM

"Clutch" Judder? I know its a new clutch and all, so might be something to do with that.. however my old clutch was doing it aswell, and now its way worse..

ive only had a few miles under the belt, so lets wait a bit longer, but I have this theory I want to run past you..

Im in first, no revs and I slowly let the clutch out, the car starts moving, however it then starts juddering, and gets worse until it bites good and proper.. what I was thinking was perhaps the hydraulic clutch isn't bled right, so when its at a point where its just on, just off its unable to hold a constant pressure, and moves in and out a little bit which is causing the judder..

what you think? possible? screwy idea?

what else might cause a judder? I didn't notice it last night, but I was in shock it actually worked at that point :)

d3x

19-09-2005, 01:46 PM

sorry, slightly off but why did you take the entire engine out? didn't think that was required..

BraindG

19-09-2005, 01:52 PM

sorry, slightly off but why did you take the entire engine out? didn't think that was required..
The height the car was at make it impossible for us to manouver the gearbox to the right angle.. once i write up my story, youll understand, however we had to attach the clutch to the engine block before attaching the gearbox, so we had to ensure it was lined up right so that the drive pin on the gerabox would locate without damaging the clutch..

Nick Mann

19-09-2005, 01:59 PM

Impressive stuff!! All hail fearless Barry!! :p

I thought clutch judder was like brake judder - i.e. warped/worn components, or the friction material build up on the working surface. But all your working surfaces are new are they not?

BraindG

19-09-2005, 02:10 PM

yeah, all new...

What about my theory?

d3x

19-09-2005, 02:48 PM

The height the car was at make it impossible for us to manouver the gearbox to the right angle.. once i write up my story, youll understand, however we had to attach the clutch to the engine block before attaching the gearbox, so we had to ensure it was lined up right so that the drive pin on the gerabox would locate without damaging the clutch..

oh my god... that's crazy stuff!!

I wish I had your mechanical knowledge..

andy43

19-09-2005, 04:28 PM

Still don't believe it just fired up straight away and DROVE :inquisiti
Fired within two/three seconds, dead smooth, unbelievable :rolleyes4
I was around for an hour or so Sunday lunchtime - bare engine and box in the bay on a hoist with no PAS pump, alternator, engine mounts, plumbing etc etc.. came back about 7-30... car sat there with everything in, just in time to see the wheels go on, battery hooked up, and away it went. Scary.
I like the way the only tools visible in the pic with the engine sat on the driveway are a mallet and a length of two by three :thumbsup:
Don't know what causes clutch judder - it is an upgraded performance clutch tho' - so the pressure plate may be stronger springed - I've read performance clutches are a bit snatchier than std ones? Might be better after a few hundred miles so it's bedded in, and any grease/oil etc on the flywheel has worn off? Are you just being overgentle with it 'cos you still can't believe it actually works? :rolleyes4
'Positive' doesn't begin to describe the atmosphere the whole way through the job... 'so, will this £££ clutch actually fit'... 'yeah, a guy in Russia says it will'
'we thought it'd be easier to get the gearbox on if we took the engine out'
Brilliant :thumbsup:

BraindG

19-09-2005, 04:59 PM

hehe :)

I still don't believe it, and yes I am being overly cautious driving the car, another reason? the locking nuts aren't on tight :p I had to tighten them up by hand when I got to work. I must admit if I put a bit more power down, it pulls of way more smoothly.. so lets wait another 424 miles and see :D

andy43

19-09-2005, 05:12 PM

More I think about it, and the more I surf looking for 'clutch judder', I reckon it'll be the clutch itsself, not a fault or error in the 'installation' [surely not?] as such - Scooby Forester manuals have an inherent juddering fault (mine was an auto) - I know someone on his third clutch under warranty, and no signs of a fix yet.
Reasons for clutch judder I have found include... oil on pressure plate, broken springs in clutch, bent release fork, dodgy engine mounts, and arthritis/knee cap surgery /Hmmm
Would any of the nuts'n'bolts in the 'little plastic tub of confused and bewildered VR4 parts' have anything to do with it :inquisiti
Bet it'll clear up in the next 4240 miles :thumbsup:
Couple of standing starts should clear it's throat so to speak :thumbsup:
Just watch those wheelnuts :smug:

AncientOfMu

19-09-2005, 05:28 PM

All I can say is i'm mighty impressed :thumbsup: Makes my swapping a front bumper sound really crap :embarasse

Hope the judder sorts itself out.

wirdy

19-09-2005, 07:09 PM

Bled or not, a hyd clutch should always be smoother than a cable operated one.

I'm not even going to ask if you used a torque wrench to tighten the pressure plate and tightened opposite bolts progressively. You'll have done this, I'm sure.

A few 0-60 runs should bed your new clutch in nicely. /yes /yes

you've done a sterling job, doing the clutch on your front garden /yes

If it's juddering it's normally one of three causes - unevenly worn or warped friction plate, distorted pressure plate or oil contamination. You can discount all of these.

It should improve within a few miles. I'd suggest that your friction plate / pressure plate need to get to know each other more intimately before you start worrying too much. :thumbsup:

valmes

19-09-2005, 07:33 PM

Hey, great job on that clutch upgrade! :thumbsup: ;)

I just started reading this thread today... couple of minutes and I go "oh my... /JawDroppi "...

PS: ... and I am still waiting for mine EVOVIII flywheel and clutch... /pan :rolleyes4

richy rich

19-09-2005, 08:11 PM

well done barry. :thumbsup:
did you get more power out of car when whouter was your power plant. /Hmmm

BraindG

19-09-2005, 08:14 PM

Thanks for the comments guys, Valmes... its your fault i did this anyways :p - ill send the bill for the swear box directly to you? :smug:

There is a high chance there is some form of contamination on the clutch, but hopefully that will clear up in a bit...

I dont get the judder when over 1.5k of revage, changing through gears at 20+, infact nea... when im moving its fine, its just from a standstill it judders between 1st and 2nd, oh, and ive noticed it going from 3rd to 2nd at lowish revs.. anyhoo, i recon it should clear off after a few hunderd miles.

tonight ive been out a bit more, so eta to Launch day is now.... :drummer: 412 miles /Steeringw :smug: - ive noticed a huge increase in revs, goes up much faster now, not that im hammering it, taikng it easy but i do notice it, alot. nice a smooth quick changes from 3rd to 4th to 5th and back... most impressed... /yes

zedy1

19-09-2005, 08:19 PM

have you checked your propshaft

richy rich

19-09-2005, 08:32 PM

is it me, or is it becouse it is a racing clutch on my farther in law scooby (sorry)
it was a bit of a pig to anything gently.

BraindG

19-09-2005, 10:05 PM

have you checked your propshaft
No Wouter was in charge of that bit :inquisiti - why you say?

Kenneth

19-09-2005, 10:37 PM

I was of the understanding that clutch judder was generally a problem derived from the clutch centre not matching the flywheel centre when engaging. you then get a period of shudder untill speeds match properly and the clutch centres ittself.

caishanvr4

19-09-2005, 11:03 PM

We are not worthy, we are not worthy. good luck and i hope it all sorts itself out. :thumbsup:

My theory to your clutch judder could be due to the extra weight of your BALLS /yes/yes

valmes

20-09-2005, 02:14 AM

Valmes... its your fault i did this anyways :p - ill send the bill for the swear box directly to you? :smug:

C'mon!.. Send one to Mante too :) ... I just checked with SPEC and you saw the same e-mail reply I've got... so I had to order mine with the same "I hope it will fit attitude"... it just happens that post offices are not the same, you got your parts much faster! ;)

Wouter

20-09-2005, 07:25 AM

No Wouter was in charge of that bit :inquisiti - why you say?

It was as tight as I could get it!

BraindG

20-09-2005, 12:40 PM

T-minus 402 Miles :D

Just come back from lunch, I drove about for 10 miles to accumulate mileage :p - Think ill do this everyday till she's ready.

This morning I jumped in, and reversed out of the drive, I got this awful groaning noise from the front of the car, however this went away in a few sec.

The drive to work was ok, im stuck in 40mph roadwork's from leaving home to arriving at work, however gear changes are good, nothing to update.

This lunch time the car seems much better than yesterday, I am able to pull off in 1st, at low revage without much judder. The change from 1st to 2nd is way better now as well, with very minimal judder experienced.

It seems to be getting better!

Dan_G

20-09-2005, 08:28 PM

So, it was an easy job then :rolleyes4

glad its all back together...... do you fancy doing mine too? /pan oh well, worth asking....

so yeah, I'm sure everyone who's been keeping track will just roll there eyes at me but what clutch is it then? is it for an Evo 6?

time to fit Nitrous and do some 1/4 mile times... /yes

just a quick note on the juddering problem... might seem like a dumb thing for me to ask but did you wipe clean the metal friction surfaces with a degreaser before you fitted? as all the clutches I've fitted come with a protective coating of sticky grease.... If you did'nt take this off I reckon it would be juddery until it all burns off....

just another suggestion...

Dan

BraindG

22-09-2005, 01:24 PM

T-Minus 332 Miles :D

Dan, i have come to the conclusion that it must have been contamination of the clutch. The car has been getting better, and better, there is still a bit of judder when moving off, but that could just be the fact its an uprated clutch, if i rev up to just over 1.5k its fine..

I am soooooo sooooo tempted just to floor the bloody thing from time to time. but i must resist, if theres one time in my life i will follow instructions, this is the time. I am so, never going to change a clutch again.

BraindG

25-09-2005, 10:18 AM

T-Minus 295 miles..

Problem is, i am running out of time. Santapod is only two weeks away. If i drove the car to work and back for the next ten days, ill only get another 170 miles done, its 17 miles there and back.

im going to have to do an extra 12 miles a day just to be on target, but then theres testing, and stuff... Ive not got a chance of getting outoday, as were off for a walk (still in sucking up to betty mode after last weekends car work :smug: )

So i need to do about 30 miles a day (during week) to complete my bedding in time.

bah.

wirdy

25-09-2005, 09:30 PM

Barry- where did this running-in advice come from? Is it a special thing for an uprated clutch lining?

/I've never had to run-in a clutch before.

BraindG

26-09-2005, 08:27 AM

Barry- where did this running-in advice come from? Is it a special thing for an uprated clutch lining?

/I've never had to run-in a clutch before.
It was in bold writting on the installation guide that came with the clutch

wirdy

26-09-2005, 11:00 AM

It was in bold writting on the installation guide that came with the clutch

Aha. Especially aimed at EVO owners then.....

BraindG

04-10-2005, 12:26 AM

The Time Has Cometh!!.....

Fay is Teething atm, and she couldn't get to sleep... knowing im a bit behind on the old mileage front, i bravely volenteered to take Fay for a drive, take her of Betties hands, you know.. to give her a break! :inquisiti /yes - Anyways, twice round Manchester, took 1 and a half laps for her to fall asleep :rolleyes4. Anyhoo, about 100 miles later, i pull over and...............

ITS TIME TO PLAY!!!

michaeli

04-10-2005, 09:44 AM

That hoist must be to support your cajones - they must be HUGE :D???

To support his drawers?

Just read the whole of this thread... WOW man!!! That is absolutely mental!!!

I think I would just pay the £700, however, I don't think they'd bother with the spacers, which makes me want to do it myself...

Can you give me a summary of advice for this because I will no doubt attempt this myself soon....

Thanks,

Mike

Wouter

04-10-2005, 10:23 AM

BraindG

04-10-2005, 12:56 PM

Can you give me a summary of advice for this because I will no doubt attempt this myself soon....

Thanks,

Mike

im wirtting this up for members area.. soon, i hope..

michaeli

04-10-2005, 01:11 PM

:thumbsup:
im wirtting this up for members area.. soon, i hope..

richy rich

05-02-2006, 12:30 AM

i had Barry and wouter around at mine today to take engine and gear box out again......

to check clutch (ill let Barry tell you the result)

OK today b&w arrived at mine at 8.15

had coffee

8.30 went to garage (helped a truck driver get his truck out of a mess)

9.00 left b&w to do the job (i had to work)

18.00 i finish work back out to garage

10.00 car back on road

10.30 eat dinner at my house and a chat

11.00 b&w on way home

long day but allot done

rich

TBuTcher

23-10-2006, 05:31 AM

And here are the pics, once i go to the transmission place around the corner at lunch, ill find out what the crack is with the bolts...

Just a quick note...
I have not read to teh end..
but I am putting a Manual one into my Auto as well..
I also got a Cusco lightened flywheel,
Instead of getting a spacer made up I get teh centre of my flywheel cut out to the 40+mm spacing...
this allowed the flywheel to bolt up close to engine like the origional, yours will be out by 7mm .. that is it will be 7mm closer into the gearbox, 7mm further up the spline on the box etc..
So just me 2c worth incase anyone else was wanting to put one of these EVO flywheels on. It cost me around $25 AUD to get it machined out at a clutch place.

Nice job anyway.
Haydn
Brisbane Australia

phosty

06-03-2008, 07:17 PM

i had Barry and wouter around at mine today to take engine and gear box out again......

to check clutch (ill let Barry tell you the result)

That doesn't sound too good - what was the problem?

Lillywotsername

06-03-2008, 07:24 PM

Sorry Mate... this is an old thread.... I don't think even Richy will remember this one.

Dated Feb 2006.

matchtheclown

27-07-2010, 02:42 AM

This is an old thread, but also the closest I can find to a changing the clutch guide.

Does one exist?

Kenneth

27-07-2010, 03:21 AM

http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10249&highlight=clutch

This is probably as close as you will get. IIRC It has all the info you require for getting to the clutch, minus the actual clutch work such as removing the clutch cover, locking the flywheel and undoing the flywheel bolts.

We also know that you should be removing the lay-shaft from the passengers side of the gearbox to make removal / install of the transfer case a breeze (you will require a slide hammer though)

I am surprised there isn't a guide on OzVR4...

If you have any specific questions which you don't feel this guide addresses, just ask.

BraindG

27-07-2010, 09:12 AM

wow, these were the days :)

Idd, the PDF on the link that kenneth provided was infact the guide i taped the the windows of my house before i started this job.

i never did write up the full guide, slacker.

I had to lol at the following comment.

I am so, never going to change a clutch again.

Hah, yeah right :)