Weight loss ideas

[enigma]

For my car not me before you cheeky beggars get started!

I am struggling to get any more weight out of the car for the weekend - any ideas? :embarasse

[I-S]

Helium baloons...

Put the standard brakes back on.

Put a smaller steering wheel on.

Employ me as your driver (with my fearsome 8 stone bulk!)

[ritch_w]

i suppose obvious stuff - no spare, load cover, any trim that can be unscrewed/ bolted (and easily put back on), engine cover, rear seats, passanger seat, stereo equip, door trims.....

how far do you want to take it? as far as Derek - or is that too far?

[enigma]

Helium baloons...

Put the standard brakes back on.

Put a smaller steering wheel on.

Employ me as your driver (with my fearsome 8 stone bulk!)

Standard brakes are heavier!

I already have a standby driver if required.

[enigma]

i suppose obvious stuff - no spare, load cover, any trim that can be unscrewed/ bolted (and easily put back on), engine cover, rear seats, passanger seat, stereo equip, door trims.....

how far do you want to take it? as far as Derek - or is that too far?

Done all that.....and more :smug:

Keep 'em coming!

No ideas will be allowed from Kieran or Zentac......as they know the score!

[HJM]

Roof bars and rear spoiler ?

Or go round and discreetly add weight to rival cars :evil2:

Drink Red Bull /Hmmm

[Spirit]

Dave

No idea how easy/difficult it is to do, but how about the tailgate itself......must weigh quite a bit.....? Would it affect handling or aerodynamics though ?

[ritch_w]

remove bonnet (extra cooling) & tailgate

[enigma]

Roof bars and rear spoiler ?

Or go round and discreetly add weight to rival cars :evil2:

Drink Red Bull /Hmmm

Done :smug:

[enigma]

Dave

No idea how easy/difficult it is to do, but how about the tailgate itself......must weigh quite a bit.....? Would it affect handling or aerodynamics though ?

Done...... /Hmmm ;)

[enigma]

remove bonnet (extra cooling) & tailgate

Bonnet and tailgate have been taken care of ;)

cant remove them there is too much aerodynamic disadvantage.........

[enigma]

One weight saving mod that seems to have paid off is to use nitrous jets with bigger holes in them.......saved ozs but gained big HP!

[Brunty]

How easy is it to remove the plastics from inside (not around) the wheel arches? Not sure they would make a big difference anyway.

Sound proofing including the carpets and mats (I think the sound proofing under the bonnet might also provide some degree of fire protection? :inquisiti might be called for if you've done that much to the VR4)

Remove seatbelts - install harnesses.

Remove glass - install netting.

[BraindG]

empty your schoosher tank of water.

[Brunty]

You're a stong fella - so you can get rid of the headrest on the drivers seat (I guess you'll have removed the passengers seat).

:vogel:

[enigma]

How easy is it to remove the plastics from inside (not around) the wheel arches? Not sure they would make a big difference anyway.

Sound proofing including the carpets and mats (I think the sound proofing under the bonnet might also provide some degree of fire protection? :inquisiti might be called for if you've done that much to the VR4)

Remove seatbelts - install harnesses.

Remove glass - install netting.

plastic arch liners will stay......they weigh nothing!

Seatbelts - out

glass out :smug:

[enigma]

empty your schoosher tank of water.

Now you are on the right lines.....but I have it covered ;)

[colVR4]

Drill big holes in all panels that you can't remove

Cut off the roof (convertible VR4)

Take out the stereo, speakers, wiper motors, and all other unnecessary electronics

[enigma]

You're a stong fella - so you can get rid of the headrest on the drivers seat (I guess you'll have removed the passengers seat).

:vogel:

Well done that man......didn't think of that one! :thumbsup:

[Brunty]

Don't forget to take all those J-Tuners out of the boot - you know - the ones you've autographed to hand out your fans.


/STP

/haz

[Brunty]

Well done that man......didn't think of that one! :thumbsup:

You've met me - there's nothing I don't know about weight loss. :embarasse

/haz

[enigma]

Drill big holes in all panels that you can't remove

Cut off the roof (convertible VR4)

Take out the stereo, speakers, wiper motors, and all other unnecessary electronics

I wont cut the roof off of this one.........but the holes are all drilled! :smug:

[Eurospec]

Hello mate,

heres a few for you (please excuse me if they are a little dumb, i dont know heaps about these motors yet).....

Run with just the minimum amount of gas in the tank. (i drain mine dry and then add just 4 litres.)

Remove your wing mirrors and rear spoiler but tape over the holes.

Remove your wipers

If you have bolt on towing eyes, remove them.

Remove the squizer tanks and brackets, pumps the whole lot if you can.

This is contravertial, but you could go for any crash bars if Vr4's have them. (Gto's have a monster ally crash bar behind the bumper and 2 bif steel hydraulic holders)

If you have aircon, take the pump off and if necesarry put on shorter belts.

Along the same lines, bin the aircon rad, all the pipe work and the condensor, reciever-dryer etc)

Hope something in there was useful!

Cheers,

Ben.

[enigma]

Hello mate,

heres a few for you (please excuse me if they are a little dumb, i dont know heaps about these motors yet).....

Run with just the minimum amount of gas in the tank. (i drain mine dry and then add just 4 litres.)

Remove your wing mirrors and rear spoiler but tape over the holes.

Remove your wipers

If you have bolt on towing eyes, remove them.

Remove the squizer tanks and brackets, pumps the whole lot if you can.

This is contravertial, but you could go for any crash bars if Vr4's have them. (Gto's have a monster ally crash bar behind the bumper and 2 bif steel hydraulic holders)

If you have aircon, take the pump off and if necesarry put on shorter belts.

Along the same lines, bin the aircon rad, all the pipe work and the condensor, reciever-dryer etc)

Hope something in there was useful!

Cheers,

Ben.

I have done most of the above, the others are too time limited! And after all it is my everyday car and will be driving to and from the event!

[BraindG]

Lol, dave... your mad... Derek? you paying attention?! Aircon pump, remove it :)

[colVR4]

The latest pictures of Dave's car make me think he's taken it a bit too far

[zentac]

You dont need headlights and you get a cold air feed from them.
and propper drag racers dont fill thier tyres with air ;) helium

[zentac]

or strap that nos bottle in backwards with a hole in the rear tail gait then pull the end off and use it as just propultion...... bet you`d not thought of that one !

[enigma]

You dont need headlights and you get a cold air feed from them.
and propper drag racers dont fill thier tyres with air ;) helium

I get plenty of air through the gaping holes in my bonnet!

Headlights weigh next to bugger all and help aerodynamics!

[SGHOM]

Lol, dave... your mad... Derek? you paying attention?! Aircon pump, remove it :)
err ?? no thank you ! :embarasse
my power to weight ratio is sorted. /yes
I just have a few fueling/nitrous issues to sort, then It's all systems go ! :thumbsup: I will not be beaten......... guaranteed........ nailed on.......... sorted !! :smug: :smug: /yes





































:rolleyes4 /help /help

[I-S]

Take off the front bumper... better airflow to the radiator and intercooler.

Get someone to panelbeat alu body panels.

Fill the tyres with helium (Not hydrogen... don't want a hindenburg situation)

Remove door mirrors, rear view mirror, sun visors, headlamps, etc

[Kieran]

I read somewhere that the aerodynamic profile of the car can be improved by putting a line of masking tape over the panel gaps to prevent a vortex being generated there. Only a marginal difference, but then...... every little helps!!;)

[zentac]

its true, they "quicker" cars do it all the time ;)

[enigma]

I read somewhere that the aerodynamic profile of the car can be improved by putting a line of masking tape over the panel gaps to prevent a vortex being generated there. Only a marginal difference, but then...... every little helps!!;)

I may end up doing this for entirely different reasons........... :inquisiti

[psbarham]

I may end up doing this for entirely different reasons........... :inquisiti
blue peter style holding the car together ???????

[enigma]

blue peter style holding the car together ???????

:embarasse who needs nuts and bolts anyway :smug:

[Kenneth]

If you can deal with it on the drive to and fro, take out the power steering. did this with my old galant, it was pretty heavy on the steering, but manageable :) drove about a month before putting it back on.

[MR.VOODOO]

take out all the seats and sit on a milk crate ?

take out the air bags they weigh a bit

remove head lineing and all the drab ahndles as well as the a,b,c trims
**** it take off all the dor pannels and window motors and hold up witj blcok of wood

at the pod take of your exhaust --- dont need it any way

[enigma]

take out all the seats and sit on a milk crate ?

take out the air bags they weigh a bit

remove head lineing and all the drab ahndles as well as the a,b,c trims
**** it take off all the dor pannels and window motors and hold up witj blcok of wood

at the pod take of your exhaust --- dont need it any way

Done all but the airbags......and more :smug:

[enigma]

If you can deal with it on the drive to and fro, take out the power steering. did this with my old galant, it was pretty heavy on the steering, but manageable :) drove about a month before putting it back on.

Driven without it before and i ill again :smug: /Steeringw

[Kenneth]

unhook the AYC... unless you have a standard rear diff, you cant get rid of that but you might be able to take the pump and stuff out. I wouldn't expect AYC to be much help in a straight line.

[Kieran]

Daft as it sounds, it is! AYC doesn't just help round corners. The torque transfer capability of the rear diff helps in less than perfect launch conditions.

[Kenneth]

Daft as it sounds, it is! AYC doesn't just help round corners. The torque transfer capability of the rear diff helps in less than perfect launch conditions.

A drag strip is probably as ideal as you get though yes?

[AncientOfMu]

Soooo you're trying to beat SGHOM by having less power but a featherlight VR4 then hmmmmmm..



/STP

Seriously ditch whatever you can. Every ounce will help --- even those inner wheel arch liners.

[RED]

Do it in the nude /Hmmm /help That should get rid of a few pound in jeans and jumpers OR if you feel somewhat exposed I can get you one of Pauls uber light paint overalls - problem being they don't have much support in them if you know what I mean :uhoh2: and there will be women and small children about :rolleyes4

[mpau009]

I haven't done much in the way of drag racing, so i'm just guessing,

but do you need side skirts when going down the track?

and, does the strut brace do anything in a straight line?

Also, it doesn't weigh much, but you could take out the glovebox door?

Maybe you could pop out the clock, and unplug it?

or take the valve covers off the tyres, must weigh something /pan ...

I realise most of these things weigh about as much as a decent hamburger, but it sounds like you've had a good go at it already. I'll be keen to hear how it all works out. (and if you can out it back together again :inquisiti )

[Freddy]

All I can suggest are the electric window motors, if u havent already removed them. You are leaving your doors on arent you? Also are you able to weigh your car once you have stripped it so we know how much weight the car has lost.

[Josh2xsv]

What about 1 or 2 of the 5 wheel nuts from each wheel or is that nuts? :rolleyes4 /pan

[enigma]

Soooo you're trying to beat SGHOM by having less power but a featherlight VR4 then hmmmmmm..



/STP

Seriously ditch whatever you can. Every ounce will help --- even those inner wheel arch liners.

less power?? no no no no no ;)

[enigma]

Do it in the nude /Hmmm /help That should get rid of a few pound in jeans and jumpers OR if you feel somewhat exposed I can get you one of Pauls uber light paint overalls - problem being they don't have much support in them if you know what I mean :uhoh2: and there will be women and small children about :rolleyes4

I will find my thong from last year :p

[enigma]

I haven't done much in the way of drag racing, so i'm just guessing,

but do you need side skirts when going down the track?

and, does the strut brace do anything in a straight line?

Also, it doesn't weigh much, but you could take out the glovebox door?

Maybe you could pop out the clock, and unplug it?

or take the valve covers off the tyres, must weigh something /pan ...

I realise most of these things weigh about as much as a decent hamburger, but it sounds like you've had a good go at it already. I'll be keen to hear how it all works out. (and if you can out it back together again :inquisiti )

Skirts wont come off - they look pretty!

Strut brace :smug:

clock dont have one......

[enigma]

All I can suggest are the electric window motors, if u havent already removed them. You are leaving your doors on arent you? Also are you able to weigh your car once you have stripped it so we know how much weight the car has lost.

I will be running doors.....sort of :evil2:

[bradc]

So how much weight have you actually saved so far? 50kg's?

Have you removed the strut bar? What about running on lighter 15" tyres? They will have a smaller radius, and will let you accerlate a little quicker due to this, as well as they will be a little lighter.

You could also remove the back half of the center console, where the cup holders and stuff are.

Lastly have you tried starving youself?

[enigma]

So how much weight have you actually saved so far? 50kg's?

Have you removed the strut bar? What about running on lighter 15" tyres? They will have a smaller radius, and will let you accerlate a little quicker due to this, as well as they will be a little lighter.

You could also remove the back half of the center console, where the cup holders and stuff are.

Lastly have you tried starving youself?

15" wheels wont fit over the Brembos.

Centre console is gone.

My estimates for weight loss are between 170kgs and 240kgs /Hmmm Thats over and above the normal interior strip that I perform. :scholar:

[bradc]

what about your towing assembly? you seem to have the only vr-4 in the world with a towbar

[enigma]

what about your towing assembly? you seem to have the only vr-4 in the world with a towbar

16kgs in the garage! :)

[enigma]

Now I am not saying that I am super strong, but I can do this:

[enigma]

A close up reveals a 1 finger lift :evil2:

[ritch_w]

so whats that mean?

are they the original doors or fibreglass or i dunno, my idea of weightloss is to boot the wife out the car

[enigma]

my idea of weightloss is to boot the wife out the car

Check /yes :evil2: :leer: :smug:

[enigma]

Standard front door weighs 30kgs..........try lifting a small child with one finger

[ritch_w]

so are they made of balsa wood?

will they meet Eurocap standards ;)

[bernmc]

I will find my thong from last year :p
:sick: :sick2:

[Wouter]

/pan /pan /pan /pan /pan /pan /pan /pan /pan

[enigma]

The doors are still steel, but they have been modified a little!

[Wouter]

Please tell me those aren't the original doors!!

[enigma]

Please tell me those aren't the original doors!!

What do you think?!

[SGHOM]

and you criticised me !! saying going on a trailer is not in keeping with the spirit ? [ or summat like that ? ] you're only taking half a car down. :evil2: /grr
anyway....... It does not bother me in the slightest. you can save all the weight you like......... I'm still 100% confident that my superior power will see me keep my title ! /yes /yes /yes :smug:

[Wouter]

What do you think?!

Do you really want to that?
:inquisiti

[bernmc]

Shi!t. I'd hate to be in that thing in an accident :o:o:o. Might as well be tin foil!

[enigma]

Shi!t. I'd hate to be in that thing in an accident :o:o:o. Might as well be tin foil!

I dont think even I can crash in a straight line (unless I am going backwards :embarasse )

[enigma]

OK, so you all know of the famous BDA De Cats? Well this is the BDADDCDE

Big Dave Akers De De Cat De Exhaust

:evil2:

[bernmc]

I dont think even I can crash in a straight line (unless I am going backwards :embarasse )
Not driving to the circuit either then?

[enigma]

Of course I am.....it would be unsporting not to ;) :thumbsup:

[enigma]

Tailgates are heavy............

mine isn't!

[Paul Beazer]

Dave! You're not really taking this seriously now are you??

Whatever next? CF floor pan, perspex winscreen?

Have you removed the roofbars?

Good luck! It gonna take you age to pick the bits up off the strip when they blow off. Mad, completely mad.... /help

[bradc]

have you removed the sun visors?

[Wouter]

Hehe

Thats cool Dave!! :thumbsup:

It is good to see that you are taking this seriously!

[enigma]

Hehe

Thats cool Dave!! :thumbsup:

It is good to see that you are taking this seriously!

Its a good job I dont have a competetive streak! :inquisiti ;)

[Kieran]

Its a good job I dont have a competetive streak! :inquisiti ;)

Not at all, eh Dave - We weren't up nearly all night whilst you tried to beat Nick Mann's time on Gran Tourismo 4 or anything, were we?? /pan /grr /lol

http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showpost.php?p=71812&postcount=8

[Wouter]

Hey Kieran! What are you doing behind the Computer????

Shouldn't you be cleaning that dirty car of your??? :smug: /yes :rolleyes4

[Kieran]

Hey Kieran! What are you doing behind the Computer????

Shouldn't you be cleaning that dirty car of your??? :smug: /yes :rolleyes4

:embarasse I overslept - Only just got out of bed!! :zzz: :zzz: Not like me, is it?! /pan

I shall be off shortly to carry on cleaning my car.... So much to do! /help

[Kieran]

A drag strip is probably as ideal as you get though yes?

Not at Santa Pod.... Certainly, in my V6-24 you always had to trickle off the line before trying to hoof it - It's a really slippy track IMHO.

[Wodjno]

Ok .. So i think the weight loss thing is sorted.. /Hmmm

Have you thought anymore about getting your power down to the TarMac.. How about some of those spring stiffener things to stop the rear end of your car squatting down to much and soaking up the power transfer to the wheels. Also on the fronts to and some clamps on the front springs to stop the front end lifting.. You can use the clamps to lower the suspension then clamp the stiffeners in the gaps. With all that weight loss the ride height must have increased and the weight difference will certainly make a difference to how much the car will pitch under acceleration.. :inquisiti

[enigma]

Ok .. So i think the weight loss thing is sorted.. /Hmmm

Have you thought anymore about getting your power down to the TarMac.. How about some of those spring stiffener things to stop the rear end of your car squatting down to much and soaking up the power transfer to the wheels. Also on the fronts to and some clamps on the front springs to stop the front end lifting.. You can use the clamps to lower the suspension then clamp the stiffeners in the gaps. With all that weight loss the ride height must have increased and the weight difference will certainly make a difference to how much the car will pitch under acceleration.. :inquisiti

I have super stiff aftermarket coilover shock absorbers......dont think it will make a huge difference! I cant lower the car anymore as the side exit exhaust will drag on the floor!

[Wodjno]

I have super stiff aftermarket coilover shock absorbers......dont think it will make a huge difference! I cant lower the car anymore as the side exit exhaust will drag on the floor!

Thats Super Stiff in the downward direction, but with the extra lack of weight and increase of power the front is going t lift more than usual, making traction a little more difficult. The AYC and TC are going to have a hard enogh job keeping the power on the Tarmac as it is .. Just thought it would make a fair bit of difference. Your ride height must have changed a little ?? Maybe worthwhile fabricating some bits to take with you just in case.. /Hmmm Try the without and then with approach.. I still think the main aspect is making sure that your gearbox is as cool as possible when you run.. Once it warms up to much, the launches and changes are never quite the same .. :o

[enigma]

Some people think that I am crazy, but I hold the distinct advantage because I know I am!

/help

[Wodjno]

Hope you are leaving out the Hydraulic arms on the rear tailgate.. Oh yes and the bonnet support.. :inquisiti

[colVR4]

I am assuming then that there are no noise restrictions for Santa Pod. Obviously I am aware that the jet car makes marginally more noise than Derek's VR4, but I thought they just made an exception for that when it ran!!

[enigma]

Hope you are leaving out the Hydraulic arms on the rear tailgate.. Oh yes and the bonnet support.. :inquisiti


Dont need rams on a feather light tailgate!

[enigma]

I am assuming then that there are no noise restrictions for Santa Pod. Obviously I am aware that the jet car makes marginally more noise than Derek's VR4, but I thought they just made an exception for that when it ran!!

Noise is not a problem!

[SGHOM]

The AYC and TC are going to have a hard enogh job keeping the power on the Tarmac as it is

Dave does not have traction control..I do. TBH... I dont think it will be a problem, but If Dave's car is as light as it appears, then he may well get a bit too much wheelspin !! not good..................... for him that is !! /yes /pan :joker:

[enigma]

Oooooh....cool!

:thumbsup:

[SGHOM]

Whilst Daves is stripped to the extreme. mine ............ well... is mine ! /yes :thumbsup:

[enigma]

And I name this beast..............

[SGHOM]

PMSL !! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[zentac]

those sticker just weigh too much !!!

[enigma]

Been on a diet myself!

[psbarham]

Been on a diet myself!
yup you now look like big dave popeye :inquisiti

[nodding_dino]

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<off topic> I'll give you two tins of spinach for the luggage cover ;) </offtopic>

(that is a luggage cover isn't it...!)

[-LegnumVR4-]

Fecking hell! What u Uk boys on over there? :)

[You See]

..whatever it is, I gotta get me some! /yes
..don't worry boys, I'll share it around! ...hahaha

[enigma]

For services rendered...... ;)

[enigma]

OK, I think I am good to go.......got everything I need (I hope)

[enigma]

Oooooh.....club banner! Cant forget that!

[Quail]

Dave, have you got a pic of your side-exit? Ive got a bit of a soft spot for the olde side exit exhaust :)

[enigma]

Dave, have you got a pic of your side-exit? Ive got a bit of a soft spot for the olde side exit exhaust :)

Not yet, will do in Sunday! :thumbsup:

[Quail]

Not yet, will do in Sunday! :thumbsup:

Good stuff mate. Beware of flames licking the side of your car!! :evil2:

[matsondawson]

Dave, can you weight the roof bars and side intrusion bars for me and tell me how much they weigh? I've always wondered how much weight you could save if they were Titanium.