Front Mounts Question [Archive]

Kenneth

04-01-2006, 12:32 AM

are the ICs on Trademe any good? what should i look for when buying one?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/listings/listings_search_results.asp?searchtype=GENERAL&searchstring=600+300+76&searchregion=100&mcat=0001-0877-

cheers

I got mine from this person: http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/show_member_listings.asp?member=24671

with 600*300*76 and without serious power mods, i doubt any big name brands are really going to perform enough (if any) better to be worth it.

Some things to look for:
Pressure drop (0.2psi at 15psi seems to be reasonably standard)
Pressure it is tested to
End tank inlet/outlet size. if 3" then you will need reducers if you use standard pipe.
mount points. helps to have mount points alread in the correct locations

PS: with mine when I get out after a thrash, the inlet side is warm but outlet is stone cold :thumbsup:

bradc

04-01-2006, 02:20 AM

I think most of them are the same as well, it is much cheaper to buy on trademe as well

OSiRiS

04-01-2006, 05:07 AM

I got mine $200.00 delivered to my door. Which should be here in the next couple of days ;)

ShadyNZer

04-01-2006, 05:27 AM

^^thats a good price...what size u get?

thanx for the help everyone...probably get one soonish to add to all the other sh!t i got for my car that hasnt been put in yet..is the standard piping all good to use if upgrading the IC?

ahhh another thing, might as well get my decat pipe put in, what bolts and stuff do i need again?

4 X (M10 X 45), 4 X bolts, 8 X flat washers, 4 X spring washers.

any specific types of bolts, flat washers and spring washers?? got the "M10 x 45" bolts

edit: ahhh another thing lol, i got a 3" apexi exhaust on TE a lil while back, but i dont think it goes all the way to the turbos..would it be possible to get someone like pitstop or whatever to carry the 3" piping on? if so how much ya reckon??

soz bout all the questions.. :thumbsup:

OSiRiS

04-01-2006, 05:30 AM

600x300x76 brand new polished ;)

I'm planning to use standard piping for now, but upgrade later on. At the same time while I'm installing the FMIC, I'm planning on upgrading the oil cooler :)

Have no idea about the decat pipe and bolt questions sorry :)

ShadyNZer

04-01-2006, 05:35 AM

^sweet, still tryin to get rails for those seats i got off u too lol

OSiRiS

04-01-2006, 05:57 AM

:\ didn't know it was that much of a mish. Freddy seems to be on to it :)

ShadyNZer

04-01-2006, 06:00 AM

yeah ill get onto this dude from mmc see what he reckons...

ShadyNZer

04-01-2006, 09:37 PM

bump

ahhh another thing, might as well get my decat pipe put in, what bolts and stuff do i need again?

4 X (M10 X 45), 4 X bolts, 8 X flat washers, 4 X spring washers.

any specific types of bolts, flat washers and spring washers?? got the "M10 x 45" bolts

edit: ahhh another thing lol, i got a 3" apexi exhaust on TE a lil while back, but i dont think it goes all the way to the turbos..would it be possible to get someone like pitstop or whatever to carry the 3" piping on? if so how much ya reckon??

soz bout all the questions.. :thumbsup:

AllBeItMine

04-01-2006, 10:27 PM

the most important part is the CORE.

look inside the intercooler. it needs to have hundreds of little folded fins. rather than half a dozen tubes

marmel31

05-01-2006, 06:26 AM

I got mine $200.00 delivered to my door. Which should be here in the next couple of days ;)

Where from? /Hmmm

OSiRiS

05-01-2006, 07:18 AM

Where from? /Hmmm

It was a one off. Apparently the guy who bought it sold it shortly after his Legnum got stolen. He was planning to put it on his Legnum.

So I offered $200 and got it ;)

ShadyNZer

05-01-2006, 08:24 AM

the most important part is the CORE.

look inside the intercooler. it needs to have hundreds of little folded fins. rather than half a dozen tubes
have u got a pic so i know what to look for?

Rossco Type-S

05-01-2006, 10:35 AM

Does going to a 600*300*76 improve performance? I have read so many conflciting posts, some say it is good others say it results in fuelling problems.

For people who have installed one themselves is it much of a job?

Kenneth

05-01-2006, 08:37 PM

I believe it does improve performance.

I do not seem to have fueling issues. BDA did, but then he did all his piping at the same time. I think he also had some boost leaks, cant remember if he still had the issues after.
Could be that with the piping all done the ECU saw elevated air flow vs RPM and had kittens.

Personally I found the biggest issue was modifying the piping to attach to standard pipes. You would probably be better off doing a piping kit at the same time.

You will also have to decide how you are going to attach you intercooler.

I had use of an engineering workshop which made things much eaiser.

bradc

06-01-2006, 07:11 AM

what about 600x300x76 versus 600x300x100, I know that there is more overall surface area, but then the frontal area of each is the same, would there really be much differance?

Kenneth

07-01-2006, 04:04 AM

what about 600x300x76 versus 600x300x100, I know that there is more overall surface area, but then the frontal area of each is the same, would there really be much differance?

have you seen how close my IC is to the bumper? the bumper had to be trimmed, so basically that extra 24mm is going to come straight out of the bumper. other than that, its not going to make much difference at all.

to be honest, if i could do it again i would try get a 600x270x76 or some such.

ShadyNZer

07-01-2006, 05:28 AM

^^ did yours have those folded fins like ABIM said?

Kenneth

07-01-2006, 05:35 AM

yep, sure did!

ShadyNZer

07-01-2006, 11:05 AM

shibby!!!!, least i know where to get mine from then, whys the folded fins important anyway?

bradc

07-01-2006, 11:12 AM

increases surface area dramatically

ShadyNZer

09-01-2006, 08:20 AM

ahhh another thing, might as well get my decat pipe put in, what bolts and stuff do i need again?

4 X (M10 X 45), 4 X bolts, 8 X flat washers, 4 X spring washers.

any specific types of bolts, flat washers and spring washers?? got the "M10 x 45" bolts

edit: ahhh another thing lol, i got a 3" apexi exhaust on TE a lil while back, but i dont think it goes all the way to the turbos..would it be possible to get someone like pitstop or whatever to carry the 3" piping on? if so how much ya reckon??

soz bout all the questions.. :thumbsup:
anybody know anything about these questions? Dickytim or Kenneth for the decat? and for the exhaust is it possible to carry on the 3" pipin all the way to the turbs? seen heaps talk bout pitstop new market, best to go to them?

cheers

Kenneth

09-01-2006, 08:31 AM

anybody know anything about these questions? Dickytim or Kenneth for the decat? and for the exhaust is it possible to carry on the 3" pipin all the way to the turbs? seen heaps talk bout pitstop new market, best to go to them?

cheers

you would go 2.5" piping to the turbos, then 3" where the turbos down pipes join.

up to you really, though they should be getting pretty good at doing VR-4 down pipes by now :)

bradc

09-01-2006, 10:16 AM

I was happy with mine, they look quite nice from the outside, and my power levels did increase, so I can't complain.

Just tell Lance that the guys at ClubVR4 sent you down, he'll give you the good price :D

OSiRiS

09-01-2006, 12:45 PM

My front mount

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/9514/dsc012757jm.jpg
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/6757/dsc012769wy.jpg
http://img498.imageshack.us/img498/156/dsc012788qk.jpg
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/1820/dsc012792nr.jpg
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/6836/dsc012838lg.jpg

Cheers AllBeItMine! Did all the work himself. Whenever I had a tool in my hand something went wrong LOL.

Finished pics to come tomorrow ;) (once I clean up the rough edges I made with the hacksaw LOL)

bradc

09-01-2006, 07:18 PM

That looks nice, it makes the stock one look terrible. ABIM's a good guy, how many beers did it cost you? :)

OSiRiS

09-01-2006, 07:33 PM

It didn't cost me in beers! But for the amount I paid I was very please as it included installation, all brackets and piping needed for it to happen on the spot. Took 3 hours of his time too!

Very happy at the outcome. After 50km of hard driving after the IC was installed, the inlet is very hot to touch and the outlet is very very cold. I'm going to get some temperature sensors running to see how much the drop in temperature is :)

btw for anyone who didn't know, the lines that run across the standard intercooler are NOT oil cooler lines. They are for your power steering :P

bradc

09-01-2006, 08:02 PM

I remember reading somewhere they were for the power steering. It would be interesting to see what the intercooler outlet temperature is.

You See

10-01-2006, 08:26 AM

It didn't cost me in beers!
ABIM, you're a lucky man! ...lol /yes

OSiRiS

10-01-2006, 08:57 AM

All finished :D

And yes ABIM I did fix the big rough ****up that I made with the hacksaw LOL. I drew a night straight line with a vivid then cut along the line with a stanley knife. Now it's perfect! :)

I even did it with the bumper on :D :chugchug:

You See

10-01-2006, 09:00 AM

awww....there's that cute chuahuahuahuahuahuahuaaaaaa..... :D

bradc

10-01-2006, 09:10 AM

maybe your dog ran off with Osiris's dog :)

Nice looking intercooler btw , do you notice any differance?

OSiRiS

10-01-2006, 09:14 AM

Yea after it was installed I drove 50km all the way back to my place from ABIM's and the inlet was ****ing hot. The outlet tho was ice cold.

I also noticed that it holds 9psi while your foot is down, and when it changes gears it spikes to 11psi. Don't know if that's good or bad or ok.

Rossco Type-S

10-01-2006, 09:29 AM

Did you retain the standard piping (other than the outlet reducers)?

ShadyNZer

10-01-2006, 10:04 AM

lookin pretty chur man...:thumbsup: cant wait till i get one

i seen a chic with one of those lil dogs in her purse at manukau the other day, mini skirt, bube tube all skanked up, for real i wanted to smack her paris hilton try hard ass or have one of my chic mates to do it for me..hate that sh!t

You See

10-01-2006, 10:10 AM

i seen a chic with one of those lil dogs in her purse at manukau the other day, mini skirt, bube tube all skanked up, for real i wanted to smack her paris hilton try hard ass or have one of my chic mates to do it for me..hate that sh!t
/haz

bradc

10-01-2006, 10:33 AM

haha, that is so true
Osiris, does it hold 9psi all to the redline? Mine starts at 10psi, but drops to 9psi by 6000rpm

OSiRiS

10-01-2006, 08:26 PM

haha, that is so true
Osiris, does it hold 9psi all to the redline? Mine starts at 10psi, but drops to 9psi by 6000rpm

Not too sure. Haven't driven in a while and when I gave it a good run last night it was kidna hard to keep my eyes on the boost gauge, revs, road and keeping an eye out for any other car in case it was a :-policema LOL -because I sold my V1 not long ago :P

i seen a chic with one of those lil dogs in her purse at manukau the other day, mini skirt, bube tube all skanked up, for real i wanted to smack her paris hilton try hard ass or have one of my chic mates to do it for me..hate that sh!t

Probably my Mrs? /Handbag :inquisiti /pan :drummer: :joker: LOL jokes.

OSiRiS

10-01-2006, 09:13 PM

I've found this board is rather devoid of tech threads and factual data, so I've decided to start adding some. I'll start with intercooler tech since there was just an argument about this on a local board during which I realised there was a lot of bad information floating around.

The following info applies to air to air applications.

Tube and Fin - Pros
Generally weighs about half as much as a bar and plate core of similar dimensions
Generally less expensive
Generally less flow restriction within the core than bar and plate designs
Less flow restriction through the exterior allowing better flow to the rear of the core and to a radiator, AC condenser, tranny or oil cooler, etc. which may be behind it

Cons -
Those with less flow restriction than bar and plate cores offer less heat rejection
Generally have more fins which means they're more likely to be damaged by rocks/debris which cuts down on cooling efficiency
Charge air entry extends beyond core wall making it more difficult for air to enter the core cleanly

Bar and Plate - Pros
Generally off greater heat rejection than tube and fin design
Those with turbulators offer even greater heat rejection
Offered in tons of varying shapes and sizes
Less likely to be damaged by rocks and debris
Charge air entry sits flush with core allowing for cleaner entry

Cons -
Weighs about twice as much as a similarly size tube and fin core
More expensive
Blocks more airflow to radiators, etc. which may be behind it
Those with turbulators have greater flow resistance to the charge air

Remember that there's a balancing act between cooling and airflow restriction within the core. The more densely packed turbulators are within a bar and plate core the more cooling will be done as the air passes through, but the greater flow is restricted. Alternatively, air blowing straight through a pipe isn't restricted or cooled much at all.

In the above, when they refer to a turbulator, they are referring to the fins as shown in the picture below:

OSiRiS

10-01-2006, 09:20 PM

Here's what the charge air entries look like on a tube and fin vs. bar and plate. This tube and fin has lots of turbulators and the bar and plate doesn't have a whole lot, which goes to show that within each type there is a lot of variation.

ShadyNZer

10-01-2006, 11:34 PM

thanx for the info bro...

OSiRiS

10-01-2006, 11:53 PM

No probs :)

So to sum it up bar and plate would be the better option for heat dissapation.

ShadyNZer

14-01-2006, 10:48 PM

any good place to get them installed in south aucks? i think booyah got his done at raw motorworx, anyone else had an experience with them?

OSiRiS

15-01-2006, 03:02 AM

Some CF cars have been done through RAW, however we now tend to goto NRB Performance.

ShadyNZer

15-01-2006, 06:18 AM

where are they situated?

OSiRiS

15-01-2006, 10:29 AM

34a Neil Park Drive, East Tamaki, Auckland.
Phone Dempsey on 027 241 8635 or 09 262 0028

ShadyNZer

24-01-2006, 02:52 AM

called them and rang raw motorworx as well, both reckon 4hundy :o sh!t didnt know it was guna cost that much...that sound about right for anyone whos gotten it installed at a shop b4??

Kenneth

24-01-2006, 03:08 AM

called them and rang raw motorworx as well, both reckon 4hundy :o sh!t didnt know it was guna cost that much...that sound about right for anyone whos gotten it installed at a shop b4??

what does that price include?

OSiRiS

24-01-2006, 03:39 AM

If that includes everything to mount up to factory hoses then sounds about right.

ShadyNZer

24-01-2006, 04:31 AM

yeah mount it up piping and everything....man i was thinkin like 2hundy and something at the most....bugger...

bradc

24-01-2006, 07:01 AM

have you given Gary Capper a call? Just say that me and Uc have referred you, and he should give you a fairly good price.

OSiRiS

24-01-2006, 08:56 AM

yeah mount it up piping and everything....man i was thinkin like 2hundy and something at the most....bugger...

Andy said the bits made up for him to get his cooler on were quite expensive. 2 alloy joiner pipes and 2 silicon hoses. 1 silicon hose is a straight 3" to 2" (from memory) and the other one is a 90 degree 3" to 2" which would be a plain bitch to find off the shelf.

So I think it was a matter of right place right time for me :D

ShadyNZer

24-01-2006, 07:35 PM

whos gary capper :/

bradc

24-01-2006, 11:43 PM

do a search in the yellow pages, he is the guy that tuned Uc's car.

bluey

26-01-2006, 06:36 AM

gota new 1. $70 for Samco's, $100 and my old coola for a bigga one. the other half did a bit of tutuing around, took it too his work and made some piping that could fit and plugged it up! The guy who had the cooler couldn't be bothered mucking around and wanted 1 that just hooked up easy. Sweet!

Holy crap what a dik, dunno how to put pic on... hmmmm
good try!!!!!

ShadyNZer

26-01-2006, 08:10 AM

looks gangsta....

OSiRiS

26-01-2006, 08:24 PM

Ohhh I'm seriously thinking of getting KB to paint my car, if he's up for it :)

ShadyNZer

27-01-2006, 09:21 AM

bluey

30-01-2006, 09:17 AM

Ohhh I'm seriously thinking of getting KB to paint my car, if he's up for it :)

My darling
You know he'll do it, he just waiting for the tolla's!!!

OSiRiS

30-01-2006, 08:14 PM

hundy chosen few and genesisters in rewa tonight man, turned the corner goin to liquor shop from woolworths then BOOM hundy cvnts, had to go right in the middle of the meet cos was too late to turn to go on the outside lmao....dunno if u were there...didnt really look around.....hundy ppl

Ahhh yup that was one of our many cruises. This one was our annual with Cynosure and KBS on the eve of the Nats.

It's good having the power to organise massive cruises like these with the blink of a txt message ;)

i3ooyah

30-01-2006, 10:50 PM

any good place to get them installed in south aucks? i think booyah got his done at raw motorworx, anyone else had an experience with them?

yeah dude i think they charged me $280, went there coz there pretty close to home but turned out good

ShadyNZer

31-01-2006, 09:11 PM

^^ Welcome back lol...]

true. 280 aye, u got a discount aye cos it was the first legnum theyve worked on or something...hmmm yeah prolly take it to them then...sweet

i3ooyah

31-01-2006, 10:14 PM

yup thats rite, i did help them out as well by taking my front bumper off so they wouldnt charge me for the time it took them to take it off and put it back on.

ShadyNZer

01-02-2006, 12:58 AM

oh ok, cos i was guna take it off first anyway so hmm maybe they chop a lil bit of the price...:thumbsup:

ShadyNZer

16-02-2006, 09:45 AM

sweet got it put on today at Raw...pretty good price since i took the bumper off before i took it in...gettin bumper put back on Saturday

OSiRiS

16-02-2006, 11:04 AM

Holy FLICK that looks evil. Nice.

What you think about their workmanship?

i3ooyah

16-02-2006, 10:34 PM

can u get a bigger one next time? :P

thats massive man

OSiRiS

16-02-2006, 10:56 PM

That's normal size now a days isn't it? 600x300. Is it 76 or 100 deep?

i3ooyah

16-02-2006, 11:45 PM

mines 600x300, pretty sure it aint that big, mind you my front bumper is covering up lots of it haha

OSiRiS

16-02-2006, 11:53 PM

There is the pic of mine without a bumper, and it's 600x300x76 :)

Looks the same as Shady's :)

ShadyNZer

17-02-2006, 08:27 AM

yeah its 600x300x76...yeah their worksmanship was all good, had to leave it overnight tho cos they didnt have some piping or something...they done yours aye booyah? they asked me bout the power steering thingy thats in the front, i asked if theyd done legnums before thinkin they were guna say yes but they reckoned they hadnt done one with a cooler that big....cos i was guna say just do what u done on that...but meh, just said do whatevers easiet....but yeah good that i got the bumper taken off first otherwise wouldve been in the 4-5hundy mark....havent noticed much of a difference tho :/ nonetheless looks pretty chooooice!!