Mid to top range kick

[pezza]

After getting my car back to AYC ways.... I went out for a blat Saturday night..

I came up behind a boxter S... so after the rolling start at 50 mph through the speed camera .. we both blasted off...the VR4 running at .9 surged forward and surprisingly left the "S" behind up until about 80 -90 but then the enemy came back with some force.... luckily traffic/speed camera ahead put a stop to the *bad* driving before the difference in performance showed..

There were a few more sprints and both cars seemed very well matched from rest (which I was quite chuffed about), nothing in it... I need to go check the spec of the Boxster S :anxious: , I am guessing/HOPING its very similar power to the VR4... :D

I was wondering if any members with mapped fuelling / chipped / e-manage etc have seen much improvement in punch from 70ish upwards? my car seems to wind up fairly slowly even in 4th from this speed and seems to top out at 120 (on private test tracks *coff*) climbing v slowly (don't think the car is limited) ... I think NickM mentioned improvements in pickup with the fuelling sorted.. How much increased boost makes here, I am not sure.. Would like to try the same *experiment* with 1 bar :evilgrin:

Any tinkerers care to comment? :thinking:

[WildCards]

New Boxster S's have 280bhp, RWD, top is limited to 155mph, 0-60 is 5.3.

A mate has one of these and as soon as the weather clears, we're going to have a play, so i'll let you kow how I get on.

[pezza]

Ahh right, that explains a few question I had :thinking:

Yup wud be a good indication of how well your car runs . Mind out for licence confiscation issues tho! :anxious: That *could* be your first kill? :D

I found that the porsches' pick up from 80 upwards was quite rapid /Hissy

[WildCards]

I've found that I need to drop down to 3rd for good pickup from 60/70. If i'm giving it some stick, I very rarely see 5th, 4th will hold over a ton and by that time i'm finding corners pretty quickly, so need to go down a gear or two depending on the exit.

I've mentioned before that my mates all have fast cars, usually when one of us gets a new car a video gets produced; this year, i've got a VR4, geoff's got a his poorcha, Al's got his busted Fiat Coupe, Mark should've finished his teg powered 306 and Stiff has bolted a mahoooosive turbo onto his BM 335.

So...should be a good video :evilgrin:

[WildCards]

I hope my first kill comes before then...it's depressing what little backbone the locals have around here

[caishanvr4]

Pez i think you'll find that all those thick amp/speaker wires running through your motor add about another 100kgs http://www.lancer-evo.net/community/images/smiles/crackup.gif (javascript:emoticon(':crackup:'))

[pezza]

Pez i think you'll find that all those thick amp/speaker wires running through your motor add about another 100kgs http://www.lancer-evo.net/community/images/smiles/crackup.gif (javascript:emoticon(':crackup:'))

They power my secret photon beams!

[pezza]

I've found that I need to drop down to 3rd for good pickup from 60/70. If i'm giving it some stick, I very rarely see 5th, 4th will hold over a ton and by that time i'm finding corners pretty quickly, so need to go down a gear or two depending on the exit.

I've mentioned before that my mates all have fast cars, usually when one of us gets a new car a video gets produced; this year, i've got a VR4, geoff's got a his poorcha, Al's got his busted Fiat Coupe, Mark should've finished his teg powered 306 and Stiff has bolted a mahoooosive turbo onto his BM 335.

So...should be a good video :evilgrin:


Yup that should've been 4th from about 80-90ish..

Do you have your bullet cam ready for your film sounds like quite a line up... or will your mates be hangin out the passenger window with a video cam at 80mph? you shouldn't need to wait for the weather to clear/dry up :smug:

[richy rich]

my brother in law has got a boxter s and Ive drove it i was very impressed

we've not gone head to head yet but id say the boxter will have the edge as mine is standard.

But he did drive mine and said that it was bloody fast, and I'd leave him standing in the wet.

[WildCards]

All the camera gear is handled by a mate, Not sure what he's got, but i think between us we'll have some decent footage.

I am ready Pezz, but with a handful of RWD's in the mix they won't give it some stick in the wet i'm afraid.

I'm only worried by Marks 306 TBH, he's built from the ground up. It weigh's about 800kgs and has 220bhp, full rollcage, porsche brakes front and rear and some dandy suspension gubbins. Outright speed it'll be close, but through the twisties he might have it, besides, he doesn't give a monkeys if he loses it in a field, whereas I do!

Will (camera man) has a 944 Clubsport btw, so that'll be appearing too.

[pezza]

A pal is getting the Cayman S next week :anxious: That will be a close call should I rise to the challenge... :thinking:

SO back to my original question.. anyone here with mapped fuelling care to mention the kind of improvments in mid range performance?

[WildCards]

Cayman S: 295bhp - 0-60 = 5.4s. So yes, should be interesting.

Does a Dastek Unichip offer improvement? Or is that what you mean?

I know it'll give around an extra 30-40 horses, but does it make a real world difference?

[Nick Mann]

A chip (unichip and emanage being the two that spring to mind) definitely improves performance substantially. Our cars fuelling is not set up well at all and controlling the timing and especially the fuelling makes a big difference. If a boost controller gives 30-40 bhp increase and the chip can give another 20-30 then if you have the money what are you waiting for? It is controlled safe power!! To give an example, my last VR4 would hit 130-135 on my private test track. This one hits 145. I know there are a few more mods on this one, but after driving it with no chip and then with the unichip fitted and mapped, trust me - it makes a difference!

Pezz - stop dithering and get an emanage sorted!!

The above figures are an educated guess only and definitely rely on the engine being able to breathe properly.

[pezza]

Cheers Nick...

Almost there m8, almost there :D

Hmm guess the CAT shuold come off again then once MOT is out the way!

[WildCards]

So much info has hit me in the last couple of weeks I can barely stand up. In the long term i'd love to up the car to around 340 - 350bhp as it sounds so easy and for relatively small cost.
But for now I need to concentrate on a banger otherwise Kate will brain me!

Thanks for the conflab Pez

[Kieran]

....my last VR4 would hit 130-135 on my private test track. This one hits 145....

I presume you're talking about your *First* VR-4 there?............................................ ............



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[Nick Mann]

I presume you're talking about your *First* VR-4 there?............................................ ............



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Nope!

:evilgrin: /Devil5 :evil2: /Steeringw

[Kieran]

Nope!

:evilgrin: /Devil5 :evil2: /Steeringw

Interesting.... I think Ariadne likes me more than she did you then! ;)

[WildCards]

What do you get our of her then K?

Bare in mind Nick may have ran out of test track, not puff.

[Kieran]

What do you get our of her then K?

I got about 10 tons of muck and dirt out of her when I got her!/pan :evilgrin:



/Devil5

[WildCards]

I got about 10 tons of muck and dirt out of her when I got her!/pan :evilgrin: /Devil5

It's no wonder she's faster with that sort of weight saving then :evilgrin:

[pezza]

All encouraging info Nick... Is pickup still slow from 100ish?

I just need to sort out where to install wideband sensor for I plunge head first into this...

I have the CAT back on (for noise reduction and MOT) but have an external baffle on my decat pipe (in storage).

Mind you, with decat I can use wideband sensor inserted into backbox, but need it before the CAT if CAT installed. :thinking:


Lets hope I dont kill the engine! /help

[Nick Mann]

Steve - You are right - my private test track is not long enough to hit top speed. ;)

Kieran - Great Big Sweaty Hairy BO!!OCKS. /grr

Derek - surely you can get it fabricate into the pipe just before the cat/decat? Someone could do that for a few quid surey? You won't damage anything if you are being careful!

[Kieran]

Great Big Sweaty Hairy BO!!OCKS. /grr

/haz

Well, you should wash yourself a little more often then, Drity Boy!! /STP /Devil5

[WildCards]

weyheyyy DIRTY BOY!!

[pezza]

Havin owned leggie for 16 months never had the car running flat out with pedal to the floor in 5th for more than say 10 secs .... not sure if it will get over 130 to be honest.... :thinking: . the revs top out about 5.5k revs and it doesnt seem to rise etc..(or if the revs rose it was dead slowly)


I cant think of anywhere near me thats straight for long enough to do that...
Hmm must try the A45 off junction 17 M1... :D

[WildCards]

Does it peeter out after 120 then? Mine is like a plane to 100, a train to 118 then cuts out. It feels like it'll go on for quite a while after though.

[pezza]

Does it peeter out after 120 then? Mine is like a plane to 100, a train to 118 then cuts out. It feels like it'll go on for quite a while after though.

Yeh it does increase in speed but very slowly it seems... a few have mentioned this before... but strange how it varies so much between each car..


do we need a rolling 40mph to 100mph time thread ?? :thinking: :D

[WildCards]

I'll get me stopwatch out

[jakester]

I don't understand these figures you all are putting out there, tbh, mine pulls like a barsteward through 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th, not sure about 5th as the top of 4th gear is 140mph and I usually lose my bottle right about there :), that was at 0.6bar, and, now I am running at 0.72bar it is a tad stronger.

[pezza]

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not sure about 5th as the top of 4th gear is 140mph .

LOL wheres ya rev counter needle at this point? :thinking: :speechles

[jakester]

well, top of 4th at 140 revs are around 6800ish, dunno really, I am usually looking straight ahead :)

[Nick Mann]

Is yours a manual jakester? All three of my tips changed gear at 130 into 5th. 5th gear is where I think the power starts to seriously drop off. It starts lacking at the end of 4th. 110-120 is easy but 130-140 takes an age.

[jakester]

Mine is a tip Nick, obviously things like this will always caus a stir, and, we know that speedo's are not a reliable source for speed :), but, mine always sits at 140 -141mph as it changes up into 5th, and, it gets there damn quick too......100 to 120mph is bloody amazing.

[pezza]

Hmmm, I need to go for a spin in your car dude /yes be good to feel the comparison!

Maybe its a saloon wagon thing? :thinking: (no big debate intended)

[jakester]

Anytime Pezza :). The next time I am in Harrow I will give you a shout (I m a software engineer and North West London Hospital is one of my clients :) )

[pezza]

Anytime Pezza :). The next time I am in Harrow I will give you a shout (I m a software engineer and North West London Hospital is one of my clients :) )


Good stuff, am sure I will hear you booting it around the roundabouts near me..

I may go for a blat later on... nice quiet road near me... will try and time a 40mph rolling start from 2nd and 3rd gear to 90/100.

The previous owner of Bals Leggie mentioned his car used to fly from 100mph upwards and felt power surge increase from 110-115.. so I have some investigating to do... :inquisiti

[jakester]

I get no surge, it is just a constant smooth delivery in mine.

[WildCards]

Took mine up to 110 this morning on the way to work, oodles of power from 3rd and 4th, it doesn't slow at all.

[Rally205]

I hit 140mph in 4th aswell. That is holding it in 4th with tip mode not auto. I have nudged 150mph but ran out of road.

[pezza]

OK this is interesting stuff....I have some testing to do :thinking:

in 4th over 120... does the car still pull strongly... ??

[jakester]

yes mate, pulls nice up to 140, then slows a little in 5th. Mine has seen 145, but lack of bottle, not road prevented me hitting 150 :)

[Rally205]

Yeah, me too. It pulls strongly in 4th but 5th gear is just too tall.

[pezza]

Hmm so what could be up with my leggie if its running out of puff from 120ish?

I will keep eye on boost needle too...

I will try not to kill myself tonite testing :thinking:

[conaboy]

I don't understand these figures you all are putting out there, tbh, mine pulls like a barsteward through 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th, not sure about 5th as the top of 4th gear is 140mph and I usually lose my bottle right about there :), that was at 0.6bar, and, now I am running at 0.72bar it is a tad stronger.


Have to agree here. On my private test track :evilgrin: the galant hits 140 on the button before changing into 5th. Its also a tip box but gets left in auto as im pretty lazy:happy:

Feels really strong when it goes into 5th but never pushed it as my bottle also crashes!

No idea how accurate the speedo is tho

[pezza]

Righty test time.. now am out of on call hours!!!!

If I never make it back here ... well.. you all know why :thinking:

:evilgrin:

[pezza]

OK was much better tonite esp as car registered outside temp as -2!!!

The car did feel very strong at 110 in 4th and pulled nicely to 120.. before I started to think about just how tightly I did the wheel bolts up etc :anxious: so I backed off.. /help

I realise that in order to test 30 70 and 30 - 130 times I may need an assistant or a lekky gismo.. its a bit dangerous trying to time it whilst keeping eyes on the road and so will leave it till another time...

I tried one g-tech run before testing tho ... :happy:

[Kieran]

Bloody Hell Pezz! How'd you manage that? That's a brilliant time!

[pezza]

Bloody Hell Pezz! How'd you manage that? That's a brilliant time!


Not sure ... :inquisiti just perfect launch in great sub zero conditions /yes I was surprised myself, to be honest..

Lets hope it starts without any clattering metal sounds this morning :thinking:

[Bal]

pez,

my leggy from 100 is sweet up to about 135 that's when it starts to die.

im going to ipswich this weekend so on my way back i'll pop by and we can take the cars for a blat if you want.

as for the comments about the size of power cables in pezz's car ... wait till you see the 0g that i have to try and get into the bulk head on mine !!

picking up new fusion front components speakers this weekend so for me it's audio time !! iv had enough of the pap standard system.

Bal

[pezza]

GIve us a shout then, I may be about sunday..

Getting the cable through the bulkhead could be a challenge for you then, the cable I have is about 1cm diameter. (bought in the maplins clearout bin, so rude to refuse the bargain..)

There was enough room in the grommet on the drivers side... Good luck if you try for the passenger side front wheel arch side!!!

[Wodjno]

Havin owned leggie for 16 months never had the car running flat out with pedal to the floor in 5th for more than say 10 secs .... not sure if it will get over 130 to be honest.... :thinking: . the revs top out about 5.5k revs and it doesnt seem to rise etc..(or if the revs rose it was dead slowly)


I cant think of anywhere near me thats straight for long enough to do that...
Hmm must try the A45 off junction 17 M1... :D

Sounds like you need to take a trip down to P'Boro and Blat it from where the A14 meets the A1.. :evilgrin: :2thumbsup

[Wodjno]

Hmm so what could be up with my leggie if its running out of puff from 120ish?

I will keep eye on boost needle too...

I will try not to kill myself tonite testing :thinking:

The problem with all VR4's at that speed is 2 little things called TD03's. How fast your car feels is down to what the individual deems as being fast. Mine feels slow from 130 up but only in comparison to how hard it was pulling lower down. Also allowing the car to breathe alot more at this speed will also make a difference.

[caishanvr4]

So to get up to 143mph in a bog standard saloon on 18's cant be bad then, can it lads http://www.lancer-evo.net/community/images/smiles/mhihi.gif (javascript:emoticon(':muhaha:'))

Pezza , I believe if you got rid off your loft conversioned tail area you would hit 160, and wodjno!! :evilgrin:

[Wodjno]

:sleeping:

Pezza , I believe if you got rid off your loft conversioned tail area you would hit 160, and wodjno!! :evilgrin:
All ready been the wild side of 160mph.. /pan

You got that Snazzy boost controller fitted yet ?

[bradc]

wodjno, in the VR-4? Was it still accelerating or did it just stop?

[pezza]

160???? downhill?? :inquisiti

Yes Paul when you gonna sort out this controller mate? /pan

[Wodjno]

wodjno, in the VR-4? Was it still accelerating or did it just stop?In the VR4. It was accelerating but very very very very Slooooooooooooooooooowly.. And it was flat. !!

You gotta allow for the Speedo inaccuracy:thinking: This speed was realistically around 150 -155mph :happy:

[caishanvr4]

Originally posted by Pezza
Yes Paul when you gonna sort out this controller mate? /pan


:laugh: I will put my time up on the g-tech thread :P

[Wodjno]

Some Figures to test your Mid Range Power against :happy: 30mph to 130mph :2thumbsup
http://www.lancerregister.com/mlr_show30130.php

[pezza]

Let us know when you fit it mate before I pass comment..crackin price too BTW :-) looks nice, very swish like the colour /Handbag

You decided on a pump yet?

[Wodjno]

Let us know when you fit it mate before I pass comment :-) looks nice, like the colour /Handbag

You decided on a pump yet?

????:inquisiti

[pezza]

only jokin dude /pan

fuel pump options???