my mate said his car has 300 talk. what the hell is talk??

[KEENY]

my mate just got a new car and said that it has 130 bhp and 300 talk.

can someone please tell me what the hell talk is and what talk does my 2.5l v6 galant have?

thanks

[psbarham]

i think you mean torque , the twisting power of the engine , torque is the acctual measure of power an engine produces , and BHP is how quick it delivers it

[bradc]

lol :D

do a search for torque on google and you'll get lots of results, it is measured in either ftlbs or nm's normally. Imagine you push a wrench with 20 newtons of force (2kg's) at 0.5 metres away from the centre of rotation, you'll have 10nm of torque.

[KEENY]

ok great so how much torque does my galant have?

[psbarham]

ok great so how much torque does my galant have?
if your anything like me , then not enough is always the answer

[KEENY]

thats very true cos you can never have to much but you can always have to little.

but that still dont answer the quetion lol

[gdelargy]

Might want to have a read at this page (http://auto.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1290070,prtpage-1.cms), which seems to do a reasonable job balancing technical details with a friendly read.

Your Galant 2.5 V6, from Carfolio (http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=23650&Mitsubishi), has 223 Nm of torque by comparison with your pal, who I'm guessing has a turbodiesel. 130hp & 300 (Nm? = 220 lb/ft) of torque sounds roughly in line with the VW / Audi / Skoda 1.9TDi.


Regards,
G

[Roadrunner]

ok great so how much torque does my galant have?
The 2.5V6 develops 158bhp (118kW) at 5750rpm with maximum torque of 161 lbft (218Nm) at 4500rpm.

As a comparison, the VR-4 develops 276bhp (206kW) at 5500rpm with max torque of 268lbft (363Nm) at 4000rpm.

I don't think your mate's car can have 300 of any kind of torque with only 130bhp (unless it's a diesel) ;)

[KEENY]

yeah its a 1.9 tdi. so would i be right in saying his motor will have a better take off but once mine catchs up its all over?

or am i dreaming? its just he's a real smug git the kinda bloke you really want to lump, lol

[Nick Mann]

You need power and torque, but you need a rev range where both are available. Diesels don't have that yet. You should beat him in a straight line, but your car will be much easier to drive quickly than his TDi plus it will be FAR smoother.

[KEENY]

nick you just made my day son, he is here with me and he is crying. he said he only brought the car to take my galant to the cleaners.

guess he should get a vr4, lol

[Nick Mann]

Which TDi is it? We know 1.9, but what car?

[WildCards]

nick you just made my day son, he is here with me and he is crying. he said he only brought the car to take my galant to the cleaners.

guess he should get a vr4, lol

A friend of mine has a Golf GT Tdi 130, When he bought it from VW they told him they could 'chip' it to 190bhp. He didn't have it done as it would obviously be extremely ropey, but he is considering getting it pumped up to around 160. This might be an option for your buddy Keeny. Will cost anywhere between £300 - £550.

AMD Technik (http://www.amdtechnik.com/products.variant.cfm?variantid=129)will do a rolling road remap for £550 - should put him 30bhp & 35lbs/ft of torque.

[KEENY]

its a Renault Laguna. i was told that the galants are easy to chip aswell. does chipping shorten the life of the car or impare the car in anyway?

and if it can be chipped how much will the bhp improve by?

[WildCards]

Chipping a turbo diesel usually gives around 30bhp. Chipping an N/A petrol usually gives at most 10bhp.

A Laguna 1.9 dCi 130? - manufacturers figures were 120 AFAIWA and the 2.2 dCi had 150 horses. I may however be out of date with my info.

Chipping will not shorten the life as long as it's done under safe tolerances. Use a tried and tested brand / garage / product and you'll be fine.

[Nick Mann]

Looks like your mates laguna is listed as 10s to 60. The V6 Galant is listed as 7.9 for a manual, 9.3 for an auto. So even if you are losing power with an auto you should still have the edge!

[Slimshady]

my mate just got a new car and said that it has 130 bhp and 300 talk.

can someone please tell me what the hell talk is and what talk does my 2.5l v6 galant have?

thanks

The club has recently held a Dyno day at Silverstone the results can be found on this thread (http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16386&highlight=bhp+results)

My V6 is pushing out 194.7 at the fly this = 165 at the wheels and 128 (aprox) power to weight ratio

It depends how you interoperate power and torque figures – the following parts affect the performance you may be looking for:

Manual or auto – Manual losses less power

4WD or RWD or FWD – depends on where the engine is located, generally 4WD losses a lot of power, RWD with a front mounted engine losses less but more than a FWD with an engine mounted in the front (not the best combination) all of us know the best would be RWD with a rear or mid engine + a lot more fun (super cars).

Engine type: Petrol or Diesel – diesels will give you more torque in the lower rev range but petrol engines are normally more steady / revy and powerful in the higher range

Do you want to pull speed or caravans? eeeerrr cant answer that I use my V6 to pull a trailer tent and I don’t know its there.

Weight – obviously a Kawasaki 179BHP bike will kick the ass of many supercars on the straight (yes even 280PHP VR4s) but the car has 4 wheels and possibly 4WD round the bends.

Suspension – how is yours set up, hard and uncomfortable but good round the bends or soft and comfortable but crap in a corner.

Driver – put the stig in my car against me in a Ferrari and I think the stig would still win.

How would you like to gauge the power?

At the fly – all manufactures use this at the bench mark because it is the highest figure – note this is the power produced by the engine not the performance of the car.

At the wheel – more accurate in terms of the cars performance because it takes into account the transmission.

Power to weight ratio – more accurate in terms of acceleration i.e. 0 – 60 / 0 – 100 etc

Taking into account the above:

Transition
Engine type
Weight
Suspension
Driver

My only conclusion is have a race with your mate (on a proper race track) and I think you will be surprised by the power of a V6 petrol engine over a diesel – I was and I an still enjoying the kills.

V6 rules

[I-S]

he said he only brought the car to take my galant to the cleaners.

Only thing that will get taken to the cleaners is his wallet when the EGR valve dies and takes the turbo and possibly the engine with it.

[psbarham]

You need power and torque, but you need a rev range where both are available. Diesels don't have that yet. You should beat him in a straight line, but your car will be much easier to drive quickly than his TDi plus it will be FAR smoother.
power comes from revs and is only a mathematical eqaution (sp?) = Horsepower = Torque x rpm / 5252. which in english means more revs more power

[ritch_w]

Only thing that will get taken to the cleaners is his wallet when the EGR valve dies and takes the turbo and possibly the engine with it.

yes bastid diesels/pan /Grrr
notice how diesel contains the word "die" cos thats what they should do - especially cheesy french ones

rant over

i'll get back in the box

is that me coat?
thanks

[I-S]

No joy with the space star then ritch?

[Paul Beazer]

V6 rules
What mods you got to get 197bhp from yours then squire?

[ritch_w]

No joy with the space star then ritch?


sorry Keeny /Hijack

yes Isaac - now have a result!! Mitsi customer services are sending the parts (£600 worth +Vat) to my dealer - gratis, I only have to pay labour, which should be an hour (I can strip, clean & refit the EGR & AFM in 40 mins)

the bummer is that the EGR is on back order and wont come until 20th (but you can get the same EGR from GSF cheaper and next day) frustrating..../pan

[Slimshady]

What mods you got to get 197bhp from yours then squire?

Ok Mitsy clams the V6 can produce 120KW (161BHP) at the fly at 5750 RPM – It’s in the owners manual.

My car managed just over 185BHP at 5750 RPM (= 138KW)

My max BHP was at 6450 RPM with 194.7 BHP = 145KW

Max torque = 175flb

The answer to your question – don’t know – all I have done is replaced the standard air filter with a cone filter (big one) and placed 2 x 1 ½” pipes from the grill to the cone.

The graphs look very healthy though and she has a lot of pulling power through the range.

I hope that helps :scholar:


Slim