Do you guys recon this is a VR4?

[Rossco Type-S]

Look at the picture, this does not look like a VR4

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=60188970&key=268129

[Kenneth]

maybe it is, maybe it isn't :P

There is a possiblity the pictures are not of the actual vehicle... happens a fair bit.

Being a pre-facelift auto, it is only 260ps... not 280. One lie, many lies?

[Rossco Type-S]

maybe it is, maybe it isn't :P

There is a possiblity the pictures are not of the actual vehicle... happens a fair bit.

Being a pre-facelift auto, it is only 260ps... not 280. One lie, many lies?

Never seen a VR4 with no exhaust cut out. I am thinking donor car.

Everyone selling a pre-facelift auto says they are 280ps, don't think it is a lie, more ignorance.

There is a guy selling one on Trade Me at the moment saying that it is a "rare Type-S" and does 10L/100km...now those are lies. See: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=60392950&key=279931

[Kenneth]

Never seen a VR4 with no exhaust cut out. I am thinking donor car.

Everyone selling a pre-facelift auto says they are 280ps, don't think it is a lie, more ignorance.

There is a guy selling one on Trade Me at the moment saying that it is a "rare Type-S" and does 10L/100km...now those are lies.

Those pictures are not the vehicle being advertised... Wether the lie is that the photos are not his, or he is telling lies about the vehicle I dont know. I WILL post the question though.

A VR-4 CAN get 10km/L... if you drive it like a pensioner. Mine can do it, and I believe Brad has done so on multiple occasions.

As soon as you stick your foot on the floor, you are a gonna though ;)

[Kenneth]

"Just as a heads up, the pre-facelift tiptronic Legnum VR-4 is slightly de-tuned to 260ps, rather than 280ps. You will also find that it is AYC (Active Yaw Control) rather than AYS. Also, the picture showing the exterior looks to be at odds with your advertisment, is that a picture of the actual car?"

[Rossco Type-S]

Those pictures are not the vehicle being advertised... Wether the lie is that the photos are not his, or he is telling lies about the vehicle I dont know. I WILL post the question though.

A VR-4 CAN get 10km/L... if you drive it like a pensioner. Mine can do it, and I believe Brad has done so on multiple occasions.

As soon as you stick your foot on the floor, you are a gonna though ;)


Difference between saying "can do" and "does.."

I averaged about 14 in my old one accelerating and driving somewhat "briskly"

[Rossco Type-S]

Those pictures are not the vehicle being advertised... Wether the lie is that the photos are not his, or he is telling lies about the vehicle I dont know. I WILL post the question though.


What you see out the front wind screen of the car in the interior pic is consistent with the location of the car is in the profile pic. The cars dash has AYC on it, showing that has come from a VR4, but the car looks like an ST-R or at least the back is from a ST-R. I reckon crash damaged or donor car.

[bradc]

It has the high vis dash and a 5 speed tip box, so it has to be a vr-4. Only facelift 4cyl 2.4l cars were made with a 5 speed tip box, all prefacelift nonturbos had 4 speed autos.

The lack of an exhaust cutout is strange though, maybe it had been crashed and repaired?

[bradc]

Forgot to say, I normally get 10l/100km out of it, and I can get it to 8.5l/100km if I drive really slowly

[Rossco Type-S]

It is completely debadged, maybe it has been made not to look like a VR4 on purpose?

[bradc]

But how many people know about the exhaust cutout, and who would actually replace the rear bumper for one without the cutout? Seriously I doubt even half the people on this site know that VR-4's have the cutout and normal ones don't.

I have actually seen one spec of Legnum with a cutout, but it was much much smaller than the normal VR-4 one, and the exhaust size was about this size O (actual size) :P

[Rossco Type-S]

Not sure the front bumper is a VR4 one either. Hard to tell from that angle though.

Surely at least 80% would realise VR4s are the only pre-facelift leggys with a cut-out

[Rossco Type-S]

Forgot to say, I normally get 10l/100km out of it, and I can get it to 8.5l/100km if I drive really slowly

Yeah, it's been mentioned in several threads that you drive like rigor mortis has already set in. :laugh:

[bradc]

not always! I drive fairly well restrained on the day to day drive though :)

[Rossco Type-S]

The guy responded to Kenneths question and said it is the actual car and is a VR4 - something dodgy going on.

[Kenneth]

Was having a chat with Gly... agreed that it looks like it may have had rear-end repair done on it

[Rossco Type-S]

Was having a chat with Gly... agreed that it looks like it may have had rear-end repair done on it

I think it is a donor car with VR4 bits. No V6 badges on side, front bumper doesn't look quite right either.

[jaimz]

I'm pretty sure those aren't VR-4 wheels either... they look more like the ones off an FTO. Similar, but the grooves in the spokes are more rounded, less scallopped.
I think he's lying... and that we should kill him. :2thumbsup

[bradc]

well if we do carry out your *brilliant* plan Jaimz, can I have the vr-4 badge at the back?

[Rossco Type-S]

He didn't like my question!!!

[bradc]

Why would you own 4 VR-4's? Sure lots of people will own a normal 8G, then upgrade to a VR-4, or have 2 VR-4's like yourself, but 4? Even if one was stolen, why would you buy 4 of them?

[Rossco Type-S]

Why would you own 4 VR-4's? Sure lots of people will own a normal 8G, then upgrade to a VR-4, or have 2 VR-4's like yourself, but 4? Even if one was stolen, why would you buy 4 of them?


True. I went from an old one to a face-lift, from here I can only really move up to an Evo.

Something really suspect about his listing.

[WildCards]

Why would you own 4 VR-4's? Sure lots of people will own a normal 8G, then upgrade to a VR-4, or have 2 VR-4's like yourself, but 4? Even if one was stolen, why would you buy 4 of them?

Possibly 4 in the family? i.e. his and three kids have one each. Just a suggestion

[Kenneth]

I would say he imports them and then sells them for some profit. 4 means he has sold 4.

Though maybe not after reading his answer to the last post :P

[Rossco Type-S]

I would say he imports them and then sells them for some profit. 4 means he has sold 4.

Though maybe not after reading his answer to the last post :P

Had a look at the feedback and found that they brought 2 accident damaged BMWs reasonably recently and lots of BMW parts - currently 2 BMWs for sale.

Coincidence :thinking:

[Rossco Type-S]

Bet they don't reply to the comment I just made then!

[bradc]

downgrade to an evo...it's a downgrade :)

[Rossco Type-S]

downgrade to an evo...it's a downgrade :)

LOL. Hopefully they make a new incarnation of the VR4!

Although, I could handle the downgrade to the EV0 9 Wagon

[bradc]

I guess the evo X might come with a bigger engine, I won't buy a current evo, they have too much lag for me.

I guess I would buy a 380 if:

They make a mivec twin turbo wagon with 4wd. I know there won't be much chance of that!

[jaimz]

As much as I love everything VR-4 (inlcuding Brad)... the Evolution IX wagon is NOT a downgrade!! :evilgrin:

[bradc]

It doesn't have mmcs, a v6, or twin turbo's, so it is a downgrade :)

[detonate]

The dash looks like a VR4 dash, and it does have 5 stud wheels.

But the front and rear bumpers don't look like VR4 ones... so I'm banking that it was an ST-R with VR4 running gear.

Then you have to wonder how much is actual VR4?

a VR4 engine + ST-R running gear (if they even match up) would probably blow to bits quickily.

*shrug* noone really knows aside from the chopshop that did it ;)

[Rossco Type-S]

The dash looks like a VR4 dash, and it does have 5 stud wheels.

But the front and rear bumpers don't look like VR4 ones... so I'm banking that it was an ST-R with VR4 running gear.

Then you have to wonder how much is actual VR4?

a VR4 engine + ST-R running gear (if they even match up) would probably blow to bits quickily.

*shrug* noone really knows aside from the chopshop that did it ;)

I think it has quite a bit of ST-R in it as well. It certainly isn't a pure bred. So many dodgy bastards on trade me.

The funny thing is how they keep aserting that it is a standard VR4 witht he standard kit and exhaust...a blind man could tell they are different

[OSiRiS]

This is the chassis number, EC5W-0004199

I'll check it over with CAPS later when I get home from work, unless someone can confirm it's a VR4 before hand.

If it is, then leave it at that and let the guy sell his car.

[Rossco Type-S]

These are questions posted on the Auction in response to comments made by Kenneth and myself. For a guy calling himself vr4_legnum, this guy doesn't know anything.

"hi dude!! very nice legnum you got!! wish i had the $$$ to buyn it!! all legnums have the same rear end!! have a look at any VR4s, ST-RS,STS or the 1.8 gdi are all the same!! cheers!! posted by: vr4_legnum (72 ) 6:42 pm, Fri 23 Jun"

"sweet as dude!! il swap you 4 my Skyline?? lol! and ken34 the vr4s from 92-95 are the one with 260ps!! cheers!! posted by: vr4_legnum (72 ) 9:27 pm, Fri 23 Jun"

[Kieran]

I think it's kosher.

I banged that chassis number the seller gives into the Mitsubishi Japan recall tracker - and the recalls that appear are all relevant to the VR-4.

No rear cut out is not right though..... Two reasons spring to mind, one is that it is a snotter, and he's supplied a false chassis number

Two is that the car's been in a rear-ender and has been repaired using a standard bumper - hence the exhaust tip has been bent down a bit.

[Rossco Type-S]

Exhaust tip itself looks to small anyway

[bradc]

I think it was probably in a rear end accident myself, and maybe they replaced the muffler, it may have been damaged in the crash.

[Yasthil]

There is a guy selling one on Trade Me at the moment saying that it is a "rare Type-S" and does 10L/100km...now those are lies. See: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...950&key=279931

This one's even more suspect. Google 'tau' and it will reveal that these guys are a jap company specialising in selling written off vehicles. Never mind the claims of fuel economy, what one should really question is the condition of this vehicle when it came into the country.

[Kieran]

Sad, isn't it?

TAU don't just deal in accident-damaged vehicles, they do get used cars in too. I know of several ex-TAU cars in the club, and some of them scrub up rather well - they've all needed remedial work before being sold though.

[You See]

See: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...950&key=279931
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The page you were looking for could not be found."

[Rossco Type-S]

I went to town on the one trying to sell the dodgy VR4 in one of there aother auctions. They are selling a 1992 BMW they purchased last year damaged. So I asked them if it was damaged and they gave me some smart arse answer. So I raised the fact that I realised they had brought it damaged...got a straight answer...althought they talked down the damage.

[Yasthil]

Sorry about the link, i've imported a few cars into the country, and purchased directly from wholesalers. Any and all damaged vehicles do have a paper trail. TAU does deal in some used cars, but they buy primarily from insurance companies. If you check out there site, you'll also find a wonderful selection of cars that people have commited suicide in.....

Import laws here are fairly relaxed, so it's up to the buyer to do all the homework on any potential vehicle, or just bring one in yourself.

[Rossco Type-S]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Mitsubishi/auction-66634209.htm

Dodgy bastard has relisted it. Now the photo is from the front so you can't tell it has had rear damage.


This BMW has also had damage, I gave him crap about it last time.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/BMW/auction-66634288.htm

[Rossco Type-S]

Can someone ask about accident damage on these cars(different person for each car)? I need somebody else to ask because they know I know that the cars are damaged, and I want to catch them lying again.

I want to get this lying bastard kicked off trademe. Look at their answer about fuel consumption. The guy claims he has owned 5 of them and he has no clue that they use plenty of gas.

[Subaru ETA]

Can someone ask about accident damage on these cars(different person for each car)? I need somebody else to ask because they know I know that the cars are damaged, and I want to catch them lying again.

I want to get this lying bastard kicked off trademe. Look at their answer about fuel consumption. The guy claims he has owned 5 of them and he has no clue that they use plenty of gas.

hey nice car. do you have recipts for work done? ie trans and cambelt? have spark plugs been done and was waterpump replaced?
has this car had any accident damage? cheers

lol bout the fuel question! they use **** loads of fuel no mater how you drive /Grrr besides when you own a best like a vry whos going to drive in an economical way! :evilgrin:

[You See]

QUESTION:
"I heard that the prefacelift tiptronic VR4s only had 260HP...would this example be an exception? Also what condition is the bodywork, are there any noticable dents, etc? Cheers"

REPLY:
Hi, I don't know, you could be right I've had 4 VR4's pre and post face lift and they all seemed about the same to me, its a fast car so if its ONLY got 260HP it doesn't seem to be a big problem!! Bodywork is perfect, no dents or anything, couple of scratches on the spoiler, but just the usual. Cheers

/haz

[Rossco Type-S]

They are getting smarter with their BS answers!!!

Had a small dent...why does it have a completely new bumper and exhaust then. Man these guys are dodgy!!!

Someone needs to ask them to post a picture of the rear end, also a question about the BMWs accident history, it has had quite a major accident.

[Subaru ETA]

i thought thhis dork had 5 of the boody things?? (vr4s)
just asked if ayc fluid had been changed and he didnt knw what i was talking about!!! "isnt i jsut a computer?" haha hes full of ****!
ive asked for rear end and engine bay pics "coz im interested but its abit far awy for e to got see so can i see some more pics" lol

[bradc]

Sounds like he doesn't know much about them. If it was a manual for $6k I'd consider putting in a bid though.

[Rossco Type-S]

Sounds like he doesn't know much about them. If it was a manual for $6k I'd consider putting in a bid though.

I don't know...I think they are just BS artists.

They don't want to post that rear pic. Wonder why?

[Rossco Type-S]

This is their excuse for not putting up extra pictures last time.

"I don't list other pictures as I don't want the reg checked and then get it stolen - one of my other VR-4's was... Cheers"

Note how the front picture shows the rego on the current auction!

[Subaru ETA]

the dude is going to email me more pics! keep you posted....

[Rossco Type-S]

the dude is going to email me more pics! keep you posted....


Should be interesting. God these guys are full of it. Once you get a pic of the back you will have to ask about the exhaust and rear bumper!

Still need someone to ask about accident damage on the BMW Schnitzer auction they are running. I can't because they will know I am trying to catch them out.

[Subaru ETA]

ok i have the pics...i asked about the bumper and the lack of vr4 badges....and the fact the tailgate mitsi badge is in the wrong place...
Hi David,

Yes I said on a previous question it's had the rear guard fixed. May
have got the wrong bumper at that stage, I'm not sure - what is the
difference on them?

Someone had nicked the VR4 badge, so I got one and had it put back on
recently.

It is what it is and it's a cheap car, so up to you.

Cheers

for someone who has owned 5 of them one would think he would infact know the difference. i have replied and asked about the muffler.

[Rossco Type-S]

Cheers

for someone who has owned 5 of them one would think he would infact know the difference. i have replied and asked about the muffler.

Either really dumb or really dodgy. Or maybe a bit of both.

How many pics did they give you?

[Subaru ETA]

3 pics. he jsut said that the exhaust comes quite close to the bottom of the bumper... he has now asked me about what the flat spot when you take off could be in it....not something you tell someone who maybe buying the thing!

[Rossco Type-S]

They have listed it. Despite the fact that they have been told numerous times that it is only 260ps, they keep listing it as 280ps.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=68343128&key=375885

[Rossco Type-S]

Relisted again. Still full of all the same lies. Still lying about questions on fuel consumption.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Mitsubishi/auction-72248430.htm

They have black-listed me so I cannot post questions - dodgy bastards.

[d i c k i e s]

dang this been going for awhile. will check when i get home.

[d i c k i e s]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=72248430