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OSiRiS
12-07-2006, 02:23 AM
Hey all.

Just thought I'd pop in with an update.

Sold the old wheels, got new wheels on the car now.

Got my local tyre shop to take the original rims off the car, tyres off the rims and put the tyres onto my new rims.

The tyres look spankin new 5mm on the outside and middle, BUT on the FRONTS only they are worn on the inside.

:(

Don't want to have to fork out for new tyres at the moment, and the local tyre shop WILL NOT do an alignment on worn tyres, apparently it's industry standard. Reason being is when you put new tyres on the alignment will be way out again.

So I spoke to my mate at magwarehouse.com North Shore and we discussed the options of pro-longing my precious Eagle F1s. He said because they are directional and don't have a "this tyre wall outside" we can put the front left tyres on the front right rim, and the front right tyre on the front left rim, since the wear is only major on the inside it'll give me alot more time on my current tyres.

Discuss.

:book: :evilgrin:

bradc
12-07-2006, 03:10 AM
yeah thats what I would do, swap them around like that.

Are your new mags 17x8 as well? They look nice.

OSiRiS
12-07-2006, 03:13 AM
yeah thats what I would do, swap them around like that.

Are your new mags 17x8 as well? They look nice.

Hey thanks :P

Nah they are 17" x 7"

The tyres are 215 and they were stretched on the 8" rims anyway :inquisiti

I think they go well with the dark carbon bits on the car, and the dark windows etc. Will get a decent pic when the sun is out :)

Gly
12-07-2006, 06:56 AM
you may have to buy a camber kit?

is your car still humping the road?

ive raised mine coz the camber was eating the inside inch of my tyres.

also may wanna check you tie rod ends, ive heard if they are stuffed it can cause bad ware on the tyres

bradc
12-07-2006, 08:15 AM
Yeah Gly is right, if the car is really low you are going to keep on chewing through tyres very quickly.

OSiRiS
17-07-2006, 02:13 AM
Apparently with my 8" wheels they were rubbing on the struts occasionally...

Kenneth
17-07-2006, 02:30 AM
Apparently with my 8" wheels they were rubbing on the struts occasionally...

what was the offset, and what was the tyre profile?

If offset was less than or equal to +38 and profile no more than 45%, then I expect that is BS.

you have 2 issues when you lower your car (in order of importance and all else being within OE limits)
1) Alignment
2) Camber

If you didnt do your alignment after lowering your car, there is your problem.

It really supprises me how many people dont get their alignment done after lowering their car...

OSiRiS
17-07-2006, 05:10 AM
what was the offset, and what was the tyre profile?

If offset was less than or equal to +38 and profile no more than 45%, then I expect that is BS.

you have 2 issues when you lower your car (in order of importance and all else being within OE limits)
1) Alignment
2) Camber

If you didnt do your alignment after lowering your car, there is your problem.

It really supprises me how many people dont get their alignment done after lowering their car...

38 offset.

And no, not BS. I would take the tyre and suspension specialists word on it.

Oh and yea, these tyres only have about 3 months left in them apparently, as Eagle F1s have really soft sidewalls. I'll chew them up then get new ones, set the car to a sensible height then get an alignment all at once.

Till then...

Kenneth
17-07-2006, 06:16 AM
38 offset.

And no, not BS. I would take the tyre and suspension specialists word on it.


Well the only question I have then is why you are the only one experiancing it with tyre/rim combo such as you had/have?

I have met many 'specialists' that dont know their backside from a hole in the ground. I am not saying this one was one of them, I couldn't say as I have not met them.
Its a fairly simple thing to prove though... If you are getting rubbing, you should be able to see where its rubbing on the suspension arm when you take whe wheel off.

However, if your alignment wasnt done when you lowered your car, then no point in bothering with anything else as that is almost certianly your biggest culprit. sure, having a camber like that is going to wear the sidewalls out, but bad alignment will just destroy them, especially the front.

You should have seen the fronts on my old galant when I changed them... passed a WOF (the 70% rule) but they were dangerous as. I was just lazy and didnt bother with the alignment. Only took about 3months to destroy the tyres. (they wernt new when I got the car, so I would expect new tyres would last a bit longer... say 6 months, maybe a bit more depending on how badly out your alignment was)

You See
17-07-2006, 06:49 AM
I'm guessing doing hellies didn't help either! :P

OSiRiS
17-07-2006, 07:24 AM
Don't get me wrong I'm not one bit fussed, it's ok. They wear then they wear no big deal, get some more later.

Picture time.

mpau009
17-07-2006, 07:26 AM
I'm guessing doing hellies didn't help either! :P

UC's self portrait??? rawk.. Hellies... rawk....:afro:

Enough with the hellies talk already/pan :evilgrin:

I dont know why some tyres seem to take a beating on lowered cars, that is super low, but my str was on the 100mm limit, and none of my tyres showed much uneven wear no matter what i seemed to do to them... Maybe some designs are more suseptible? Or maybe the pressure and/or the profile might make a difference?

My Dad had a Legacy GTB, which had the same thing on stock suspension - it actually got through to the belts on the inside, while they looked fine from outside.

I guess all you can do is check the alignment, pressures etc as already said..

Gly
17-07-2006, 07:34 AM
And no, not BS. I would take the tyre and suspension specialists word on it.



haha, we all know you have to have a real high IQ to work as a "tyre and suspension" specialist

i mean, if there were rubbing issues with 8" wide, everyone would have complained about it ffs.

Kenneth
17-07-2006, 07:40 AM
I dont know why some tyres seem to take a beating on lowered cars, that is super low, but my str was on the 100mm limit, and none of my tyres showed much uneven wear no matter what i seemed to do to them... Maybe some designs are more suseptible? Or maybe the pressure and/or the profile might make a difference?


I thought I made it pretty clear that the biggest issue is alignment :thinking:

If the wheels dont point in the correct direction, then the tyres "scrub"
wheel alignment is very precise and takes into account your camber and even to some degree how you drive.
When your car is aligned, you get the STATIC alignment set. the alignment changes dynamically AS YOU DRIVE. this meas that as you go over bumps, accelerate and brake the direction of the wheels changes slightly. the more time it spends in an incorrect position, the more tyre wear you will experiance.

mpau009
17-07-2006, 07:51 AM
I thought I made it pretty clear that the biggest issue is alignment :thinking:

If the wheels dont point in the correct direction, then the tyres "scrub"
.

:baby: Sorry i thought that had been addressed already, so camber alone is nothing as much to worry about if the other settings are all good:scholar: (I got 40,000k from the GIII's on the STR)

OSiRiS
17-07-2006, 08:04 AM
It's ok guys don't argue we (I) got the message first time round.

I was only relaying what I heard and saw for myself against the strut, and the tyres having strut burn cause by occasionally rubbing on the inside which was confirmed by 2 independent tyre shops (magwarehouse.com North Shore and East Tamaki Wheels & Tyres) but since you guys are saying that can't be right I'll take your word for it! :)

Oh and just for the record, on a trip down to Thames and back, taking the "scenic" route with a full car load, my mate in an Evo 6 which was following me tried explaining to me that he kept seeing puffs of greyish/blueish smoke come from the left and right side rear of the vehicle, almost as if tyres were rubbing and burning on something as we were travelling over bumps etc.

It must just be me.

Oh and to throw a spanner into the works I did get a laser alignment as my spankin new tyres and wheels were fitted to my car about half a year ago. And again after changing to the TEINS. Tyres rubbing on the inside? Nah, must be dodgy wheel alignment people huh...

bradc
17-07-2006, 09:02 AM
Mpau - if your camber is the only thing out, then you will still get uneven wear. Obviously other things will just make it worse.

Osiris, it is very very strange that your tyres are rubbing there, considering that quite a few members have 17x8 38mm mags, with 235/45 tyres and have never had a problem there. You were only running 215/45 tyres, so you should not have had that problem at all, unless there is something else not quite right, maybe it has something to do with how low your car is?

OSiRiS
17-07-2006, 11:08 AM
maybe it has something to do with how low your car is?

That's what it is...

Lucas
19-07-2006, 06:15 AM
the local tyre shop WILL NOT do an alignment on worn tyres, apparently it's industry standard. Reason being is when you put new tyres on the alignment will be way out again.
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Why would they not do an alignment on worn tyres??? that's BS The alignment is based on the wheels position in relation to the cars chassis not based on where your tyre is wearing. Does this sound right to everyone else?