The vr4 has hit 500 bhp

[kevin ap motors]

Had a e-mail from thor-racing today.
The car has been maped up to 1.2bar of boost and is making 500 bhp at the flywheel and 423 at the wheels.
That is reaaly good power at 1.2 bar of boost.
But as always there is bad news
The link g2 ecu has a fault and keeps shuting down and when it does you loose powersterring and servo not good if you are giving it some.
Know the ecu needs to be sent of to link which are in new zeland.

Will know more when i speak to thor tomorrow.
A new year and still full of bad luck f##king car.

Still planing to run down the strip in april .

kevin

[Nutter_John]

Thats looking nice 500@1.2 is a good . Well done for keeping going with it thru all your minor set backs .

Good luck and let us know when your going to the strip i'd love to see you run up and take the UK crown from Enigma/SGHOM (no offence guys but it's been static for a while )

[Wodjno]

Great news about the Power run Kev :2thumbsup

Sorry to about issues with ECU /Grrr

Hope you get it sorted soon :happy:

And a run down the Pod in April sounds good, as you don't need Power steering on there anyway :scholar:

[BraindG]

Nice power at the wheels there Kevin :) nice one :D

Hopefully the other issues get sorted soon.. but seems like you are getting there!

Keep strong :2thumbsup

[Nick VR4]

Well done Kev hope you get it sorted out ASAP :2thumbsup

[Nick Mann]

Sounds fekkin good to me! And at least the issue is known, even if it will take a few weeks to sot it out. I am looking forward to seeing the car run!

[Paul Beazer]

Ooooh hubba hubba!
Glad to hear you're making some forward progress, shame about the ECU. Nearly there tho!
Its good to hear some good things about the car, i know you've been down about it because of all the problems. Hopefully you're spirits feel a bit lifted after the dyno run?
Good luck and keep at it Kev!

[Kieran]

Five Hundred Brake Horse Power.....:speechles

/JawDroppi

Bugger about the ECU, but at least the fault is known!

So... where's the limit then? Is 1.2 bar the top, or are you going to push it with all those components and stuff? What boost/bhp target do you have?:inquisiti

[Spirit]

Great news about the figures Kev, but what a bugger about the ECU ! /Grrr

Can't Link send a new one and you send back this one ? Can't it be sorted in the UK ?

Last I knew Kieran, they were talking about up to 2 bar /help :pimp2:

[Axeboy]

2 bar... :)


Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Kieran]

2 bar......

/notworthy

[bradc]

cool :D now hurry up and get it on the strip :D

[richy rich]

/bounce /bounce /bounce /woot2 /woot2 500 good news kev

[White Lightning]

Excellent news there Kev. 500bhp is a superb achievement. As has been said, shame about the ECU but at least you know what the problem is and hopefully you can get it sorted without too much trouble. Can't wait to see it used in anger on the strip ... that VR-4 was actually the first one I ever drove :scholar:

[zentac]

Great news about the figures Kev, but what a bugger about the ECU ! /Grrr

Can't Link send a new one and you send back this one ? Can't it be sorted in the UK ?

Last I knew Kieran, they were talking about up to 2 bar /help :pimp2:

500bhp - nice... at the moment I can only dream of that.

Im a little sceptical about 2 bar though, isnt he running GTO turbo's the standard td-04-9b will only run about 17psi (1.2 bar) the uprated td-04-13t's run about 21psi which is (1.4 bar) so which turbo's is he running to be aiming for 2 bar.

[valmes]

Great numbers!
What's installed on the car at the moment?

[bradc]

Richard, I am a bit surprised too, if they can reach 500hp at 1.2bar then 2.0 bar would be something in the 650hp range correct? And there is no way that any small TD04 (whether from a Lancer GSR, GTO, or WRX) can flow much above 250hp per turbo.

[Axeboy]

I dont think it matters anyways.

2 bar may have been an old target, as it says, its mapped for 1.2 bar.

[valmes]

Richard, I am a bit surprised too, if they can reach 500hp at 1.2bar then 2.0 bar would be something in the 650hp range correct? And there is no way that any small TD04 (whether from a Lancer GSR, GTO, or WRX) can flow much above 250hp per turbo.

I would have to disagree with you on that one... Are we talking BHP or WHP?

550.94awhp @ 26psi w/544 Max Torque (http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?t=358188)

That would be around 630-650bhp - 315-330bhp per turbo for 2xTD04HL-19T
13Ts were proved to be capable of 475awhp that would translate to at least 550bhp. (was done at 20 psi on 3L engine with an aborted pull at 5500 rpm...) - 275bhp per turbo for 2xTD04L13T

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-278517.html even going by this its 390cfm*2/1.45=538bhp for stock WRX(13T) turbo setup = or almost 270 bhp per turbo... that sounds just about right.

PS: Want to get into turbos... ;) http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=199534

[The Vee]

Missed this latest bit somehow. 500, most impressive:2thumbsup. Had the pleasure of seeing this beast a few weeks ago - looks awesome, just want to see it go up the strip now:happy:

[bradc]

19T's are big TD04's though, not small ones. I was mainly referring to the stock wrx items or similar. 275hp per td04l-13t isn't bad at all though.

[kevin ap motors]

Hi all,

Picked car up on saturday and it goes well,starting to scare my self with it as it just keeps pulling right to the red line very happy.
Will have to say thor racing did a really good job this time more than happy with what they did.
Only one problem the suspention is to hard i have tein type h coilovers fitted,have talked to tein and they say type h are te worst for hardness no good with kids in car,will have to try something else any ideas?
Will be taken the car down the drag strip 31 of feb to do some test and tune up there.
Any one else going?

[Nutter_John]

Love to come on the 31st of Feb but it will never happen :D

Glad you happy with the power now , what were the final numbers like

[kevin ap motors]

Sorry bad day it is the 31 of march/1 april a long marsden

[BraindG]

Gooooooood to hear things are up and running Kev! /GJ

Cant wait to see soem figures for it... bet your chuffed to bits! :afro:

[WildCards]

Where is Long Marsden?

[Wodjno]

Hi all,

Picked car up on saturday and it goes well,starting to scare my self with it as it just keeps pulling right to the red line very happy.
Will have to say thor racing did a really good job this time more than happy with what they did.
Only one problem the suspention is to hard i have tein type h coilovers fitted,have talked to tein and they say type h are te worst for hardness no good with kids in car,will have to try something else any ideas?
Will be taken the car down the drag strip 31 of feb to do some test and tune up there.
Any one else going?

How about trying a Softer Spring ??

I have Uprated Shocks and Springs for a GDi on my VR4.. They were much to hard on the GDi, but are perfect on the VR4..

[zentac]

Nice one, you got the final bhp/torque/afr graphs from thor ?

[The Vee]

Good to hear. After all the frustrations, at last what you deserve after all the work put in:2thumbsup

[White Lightning]

Great news Kev :2thumbsup

[Spirit]

I trust you will be taking me for a spin on Tuesday Kev :iloveyou:

[richy rich]

good news kev :pimp2:

[Dan_G]

Hi all,

Picked car up on saturday and it goes well,starting to scare my self with it as it just keeps pulling right to the red line very happy.
Will have to say thor racing did a really good job this time more than happy with what they did.
Only one problem the suspention is to hard i have tein type h coilovers fitted,have talked to tein and they say type h are te worst for hardness no good with kids in car,will have to try something else any ideas?
Will be taken the car down the drag strip 31 of feb to do some test and tune up there.
Any one else going?

This car rules... i need to buy the uprated internals from you... suspension wise try tein superwagons... good handling but still easy to live with...

Dan

[TTV6VR4]

God dam wheres the piks?. I have been waiting so long to see some piks of this thing.

[mpau009]

God dam wheres the piks?. I have been waiting so long to see some piks of this thing.

Videos are in the members area:p

But we could use an update now that its getting dialled in:afro: A dyno run would be even better/STP

[Spirit]

I think Kev intends to run a 1/4 mile at the end of March.

If I remember I will try and take the camera tomorrow night when I am down there

[zentac]

that should be interesting, see if you can get his graphs off him while your down there.

[Spirit]

Just another update on this, and Kev okayed me to post this when I saw him earlier.

There were other issues from the last attempt from Thor, that I'm sure he will go into more detail about when he has time......

Anyhow, more remapping was done at the weekend (not by Thor) and he currently has:

532 lb/ft torque
479 bhp at the fly
422 bhp at the wheels

......all at 1.5 bar......and the car is now running sweet and safe !

Oh, and I witnessed the graph.....but did not have my camera to take a pic.

The injectors are maxed out, so the next stage will be for injector upgrades, a second fuel pump, more mapping and 2bar boost and 600bhp should be possible :pimp2:

[Kieran]

:speechles

[Nick Mann]

Yeah, baby! /yes

[Nutter_John]

is that all /lol

nice can't wait to see the graphs and a slip from a drag strip

[Spirit]

Well the first drag strip run is planned for 31st March......and some more video footage will be made in due course to complete this epic project.

[scoobyDAZZA]

for those interested in the drag strip that we're going it's LONG MARSTON , shakespeare county raceway , near stratford
weekend events, free showers , there's a bar and burger vans and free camping :)
should be a laugh

http://www.shakespearecountyraceway.com/events/

we'll be going to 7 or 8 this year but 31st march / 1st april is the first weekender
KEVIN has just rebuilt my scoob, running in at the moment but will be good for 440 bhp when ready , should see me in the low 11s , previous best is 12.578 with 340 bhp :)

GO TEAM AP MOTORS ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1103/dazza1802/impreza025.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1103/dazza1802/impreza038.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1103/dazza1802/impreza009.jpg

going to change the injectors to 740s and get some better spark plugs before the final remap

cheers to KEV for a great job ;)
and cheers to me for letting MY mapper sort his Link out lol

[Nick Mann]

Assuming this goes ahead, we ought to arrange a meet up! 'Cause there is a rolling road meet with a few attendees going on 20 odd miles up the road! Rolling Road Day (http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20562)

:thumbsup:

[Physician]

Wow, nice looking car scoobydazza ..... except the gay coloured strut brace lol :inquisiti

[Paul Beazer]

Standard STi Pink Rich! Says it all really LOL /pan

ONLY KIDDING!

[scoobyDAZZA]

cerise red actually :)

just had some bad news from KEVIN , he was going round a roundabout and some twonk has drove straight into the side of him , no blame at all to kevin but he had to spend the day in hospital, he's out now and he's ok but the car is a bit of a mess , it's in the body shop now so hopefully will be ok by the end of march . . . all these problems with the car, then finally gets it running 100% and some pillock does this .

[Spirit]

Thanks Dazza, already posted this in the members forum last night......gutted for him

[Paul C]

Did kev ever run the quarter mile?

[Nutter_John]

Nope his engine went bang on the rollers and he is rebuilding

[Kieran]

Nope his engine went bang on the rollers and he is rebuilding

That happened after the accident?

Bloody hell, what a mess! :speechles

[Nutter_John]

errr where have you been , it went bang a month or so ago , there was a post in the members area

Must do better and keep up K !!!!! :p

[phosty]

Quick request - I missed the earlier threads with the videos of this car in the making. Unfortunately the videos in the members section now seem to be offline. From the error message it seems like the server holding them has restricted access to the files due to excessive bandwidth consumption. Anybody know where I can download em from?

[Spirit]

They are not available to download anywhere, however they will be back online here soon as Barry is in the process of sorting the video section.

2004 & 2005 are all done, and he has yet to do 2006 and 2007

[valmes]

Did it ever run?

And what was that 500bhp at 1.2 bar or 479bhp at 1.5 bar? Which one is correct?

What turbos did he (Kevin) use?

I've only heard they were TD04 from GTO... 13Gs? Since 9bs are almost our TD03 size... they can't flow much...

Any update with that car?

[valmes]

No one knows anything about most powerful Galant VR-4 in UK? I am puzzled... :inquisiti

[bernmc]

No one knows anything about most powerful Galant VR-4 in UK? I am puzzled... :inquisiti

Wouldn't hold my breath if I were you Valmes!

UK VR4 most likely to explode maybe...:evilgrin:


(I know, I know... cruel cruel :()

[valmes]

Wouldn't hold my breath if I were you Valmes!

UK VR4 most likely to explode maybe...:evilgrin:


(I know, I know... cruel cruel :()

Can you be more elaborate?

Sorry, didn't get it if it was supposed to be funny... remember, English is my second language.

[bernmc]

Can you be more elaborate?

Sorry, didn't get it if it was supposed to be funny... remember, English is my second language.

Da. ;) Supposed to be funny in a sick way :sad3: . For a number of reasons, the ill-fainted car has never really run for long - and when Kev finally did get going, someone crashed into him!

[valmes]

So he never got it back on the road?

[Kieran]

So he never got it back on the road?

We don't know Val. It's all gone quiet on that front.:inquisiti

[White Lightning]

I believe Kev is in the process of rebuilding the engine after it blew up on the rollers. He bought my old block of me a few weeks ago and I think he said he had all the other bits to start building up the new lump.

[valmes]

I believe Kev is in the process of rebuilding the engine after it blew up on the rollers. He bought my old block of me a few weeks ago and I think he said he had all the other bits to start building up the new lump.

Thats a good news. Hope he gets it back together. ;)

[foxdie]

*bump* any news? :)

[Wodjno]

*bump* any news? :)

Well as far as i know it's up and running /yes

As i sent a set of Standard VR4 shocks down to Kev a coupla weeks ago, along with some other bitz.. And he was putting it thru it's MOT /yes

So should be up and running now /Hmmm

[Mr.Salas]

Hey Kevin, is your motor fully build or is it stock?

[pitslayer]

its a full build with forged pistons etc I do believe, 500bhp on standard internals would be risky business, could do it, but I wouldnt suspect it would last long

[elnevio]

Isn't valmes still on standard internals?

[Mr.Salas]

if a stock engine can hold that amount woulda be gr8 he he, but its all about the tuning i think

[Turbo_Steve]

It's all in the tuning and how you drive it. I would imagine 500bhp atf is definitely into the riskier end of the standard internals, but if boost and ignition curves are smooth, and it doesn't get abused (i.e. plenty of throttle to spin the wheels rather than bog it and hurt the rods) then it could last for ages.

[MPBVr4]

AFAIK it is a complete rebuild with forged internals etc.

[Spirit]

Definate rebuild(s) with forged internals. Car is up and running but think Kev has an issue with the suspension so not sure if driving it yet.

[Wodjno]

Definate rebuild(s) with forged internals. Car is up and running but think Kev has an issue with the suspension so not sure if driving it yet.

He shouldn't have a problem with the suspension !
I removed the suspension from my car 16 days ago and sent it to Kev, which he received 15 days ago! His MOT was 2 weeks ago tomorrow ! This was the reasonn i rushed the suspension to him, so he could get it on for his MOT..... My car is still up on bricks, as i am waiting for Kev to send me the suspension that he was taking off his car, and put it on mine !
I have tried to contact him on numerous occasions(3 calls today alone) but i am not getting any reply ? Not even to texts !

Pete.... Please Could you try and contact him ! As i'm getting a Bit pi55ed off now ! At least a phone call to explain the situation would have been nice ....

[Spirit]

Glenn

I think his moby has been playing up, but when I popped in there the other night he asked me about the ride height (too high) - the wagon has different suspension to the saloon as I understand from Kieran ?

I would call AP direct mate on 01752 335333

[Wodjno]

Glenn

I think his moby has been playing up, but when I popped in there the other night he asked me about the ride height (too high) - the wagon has different suspension to the saloon as I understand from Kieran ?

I would call AP direct mate on 01752 335333

Thanks for the Number Pete /yes

Just called AP.. Spoke to his Dad, as Kev is busy on Rolling Road...

Suspension is being picked up tomorrow and delivered to me.. Apparenly it's his Sisters fault as she hadn't faxed the order for collection through ..

Apparently the issue with Kevs suspension that i sent him ! Is that the car looks like it's sitting very high:inquisiti

Welcome to the World of VR4 standard suspension /pan

I have given his Dad some rough measurements to check against Kevs VR4..

Approx 80mm F and 65mm R .. Thats the approx distance from the top of the tyre to the under edge of the wheel arch.. Or as a rough guide 4 fingers front and 3 fingers rear..

Hopefully that will put his mind at rest..

[rees]

am just glad to see this thread revived :)

[Mr.Salas]

Yeps nice to hear that someone is at that amounth of power, is there pictures of the car of engine bay available?

[stuartturbo]

Or as a rough guide 4 fingers front and 3 fingers rear..


Sounds like a bird I once knew :sick2:

[White Lightning]

Sounds like a bird I once knew :sick2:

/lol

/pan

[elnevio]

am just glad to see this thread revived :)
I had been too, until...



Or as a rough guide 4 fingers front and 3 fingers rear..


Sounds like a bird I once knew :sick2:
:speechles

[Kieran]

/haz

[Davezj]

sound like a luverly girl, very accomodating. LOL!

[rees]

,,,,,anyway !:speechles