auto to manual conversion questions

[Gly]

whats the trick to making the auto comp think its in park so it can start/run??

how hard is this to do yourself?
doz it require engine being removed?

also what is a direct fit clutch wise? (evo 4/5/6?)

how many bits are needed?....

manual box,
clutch + flywheel,
shifter + cables,
pedal box,
clutch master + slave cylinder,
hydralic line,


anything ive missed there??

[KHK]

i always think about doing the same

do you have sources for all parts needed? how much?

[bradc]

you need that horrible little metal panel that sits in the firewall that lets the shifter cables run from the engine bay to the actual shifter, other than that I think you've got the whole list.

When I called kempy's they said it was $1700 for the entire kit, with everything you need.

[Gly]

i have found someone that has wreaked a manual, non-turbo
he has most the parts needed, waiting on final price to see if im gonna try do this or if im happy as is?



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he wants $550 for the parts, no hydralic line or master cylinder.

im gonna go have a look over the weekend....

anyone know how to check a manual box when it already been removed from the car??

[bradc]

do you have an indication on the price at this stage?

[Gly]

he wants $550 for the parts, no hydralic line or master cylinder.

im gonna go have a look over the weekend....

anyone know how to check a manual box when it already been removed from the car??


ummm

[bradc]

opened the page before you edited it :)

$550 isn't bad at all, I'd suggest you go for it, especially if the trans code is W5M51 (same as a VR-4) which I beleive it is.

[KHK]

550 sure is good price, don't miss it

[KHK]

the seller's non turbo manual gear box may not match your vr4 engine, it yours a 6A13 engine?
Gly must check the parts number before payment

[Gly]

mine isnt a VR4,

mines a 25st (6a13 shoc)
same as what hes selling from

all the 6aXXs share the same block AFAIK?

(hence why theres a 6a13tt fto that used to use a fto 6a12 manual box)

also "the vee" has his 6a13 fwd galant...

and so the box should bolt to any other 6aXX,

may go thru with the purchase if i canfirm the box is in good nick.....

may look into dicthing the flywheel and clutch, and going with new evo 4-6 items??


brad how much extra did you pay gary to convert yours?

[Subaru ETA]

whats the trick to making the auto comp think its in park so it can start/run??

how hard is this to do yourself?
doz it require engine being removed?

also what is a direct fit clutch wise? (evo 4/5/6?)

how many bits are needed?....

manual box,
clutch + flywheel,
shifter + cables,
pedal box,
clutch master + slave cylinder,
hydralic line,


anything ive missed there??


the whole park neutral drive thing is done by the inhibitor switch. i would imagine you would need the mounts aswell.

[KHK]

Gly, in your case, is it possible to switch to VR4 engine?

shhhhhhhhh! legal to do that?

[bradc]

All 6Axx engines are the same size block, it is quite easy to do 6a12 to 6a13 conversions, quite a few people have done it, both turbo and non turbo versions.

Why not stick with the stock flywheel and clutch just to get it working at first, then worry about an evo one when you need to replace the clutch?

I didn't ask how much extra it was going to cost me, I just told him to go and do it.

[richy rich]

whats the trick to making the auto comp think its in park so it can start/run??

its a case of shorting out 2 pins on the ecu to make it think it is out of park

[Gly]

cool, (you mean make it think its in park?)

so just short 2 wires together,
nothing else needs to be done?

i can go turbo if i want, just not affordable atm,

also why put the box in just to take it out again?
do it once do it right... (also depends what the second hand parts are like)

[richy rich]

cool, (you mean make it think its in park?)

so just short 2 wires together,
nothing else needs to be done?

i can go turbo if i want, just not affordable atm,

also why put the box in just to take it out again?
do it once do it right... (also depends what the second hand parts are like)
yep thats it:pimp2:

it will be easy to find which ones as well just trace the wire from the gear changer.

[Gly]

or just short them together at the gear changer?

[wrdmotorsport]

or just short them together at the gear changer?
yes of course, just going back to the ecu just neatens things up.

[Gly]

this almost sounds like a weekend job to do :P

will definately be looking at getting the parts now :)

also do you need to change the starter motor? or if the auto one fine?

can anyone confirm that the evo4-6 clutch and flywheels are a direct fit?
(no futher mods needed)

or should i just stick with the stock item and a heavier pressure plate?

[Gly]

do i need the manual ecu aswell?

will there be any issues using the original ecu?
warning lights and such??

[bradc]

As above you just need to connect one pin, as for the warning lights, I'm not too sure, maybe talk to Mo because has has converted an auto to a manual.

[Subaru ETA]

i have been told that the evo clutch will fit however you need to grind a groove in the bellhousing as its slightly bigger....but dont quote me on this

[wrdmotorsport]

do i need the manual ecu aswell?

will there be any issues using the original ecu?
warning lights and such??
Ok use the auto ecu short out the pins for the park and then you can do 1 of two things change to a man dash or disconect/remove lights on dash P N

not 100% on the reverse whether or not the auto will go on to man but it will need to be sorted some how.

will have a look at the gear boxes Ive got in the work shop and find out.

[Gly]

sorry bit hard to understand there, MR WRD,

you saying the reverse may not go onto man?
you mean it it may not operate the reverse lights?


anyone whos done this any ideas?


also i would be keeping my auto dash. as its got the KMs on it that corrospond with the WOF/REGO records
i may get the manual overlay to put over it thou,
so if anyone know how to correctly remove and refit the needles that would be great info to know too..

[richy rich]

sorry bit hard to understand there, MR WRD,

you saying the reverse may not go onto man?
you mean it it may not operate the reverse lights?


anyone whos done this any ideas?


also i would be keeping my auto dash. as its got the KMs on it that corrospond with the WOF/REGO records
i may get the manual overlay to put over it thou,
so if anyone know how to correctly remove and refit the needles that would be great info to know too..
what i mean is i don't know if the connections to both gear boxes for the reverse are the same or they need modifying .

[Gly]

ah ok...
so this is done on a sensor on the box?
not a switch on the shifter?

[richy rich]

ah ok...
so this is done on a sensor on the box?
not a switch on the shifter?
yes on the gear box

let me look at caps and show you


it isnt much help ill look at the boxes

[Gly]

ok, thanks

also can anyone tell me if all the hole/mounts for all the manual gear is pre existing? or will i need to do cutting an drilling?

[richy rich]

ok, thanks

also can anyone tell me if all the hole/mounts for all the manual gear is pre existing? or will i need to do cutting an drilling?
they are the same on the vr4

also you will need the drive shafts if is the same as vr4

[bradc]

didn't need the drive shafts for my car

[richy rich]

didn't need the drive shafts for my car
this is going from info from mo

[Gly]

thought he used the auto ones aswell?

you shouldnt need to change the shafts as your not changing the transfercase,

is the manual box ok with the auto transfercase? (this is what brad has had done?)

also can anyone tell me if all the holes/mounts (in the firewall) for all the manual gear is pre existing? or will i need to do cutting an drilling?

[ralliart-type-s]

This is looking interesting, anyone know of a car with all the bits over here?? Or do we hafta build a kit from bits an bobs?

[wrdmotorsport]

what i mean is i don't know if the connections to both gear boxes for the reverse are the same or they need modifying .
OK the connections are different so you will need to do some rewiring

[Kenneth]

i also have a facelift VR-4 dash if you need it to get rid of the auto rubbish

[Gly]

i wont be doing this now,

so if anyone else want to do this

heres the guy that i was gonna buy the parts from

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=89795058


im buying a manual vr4 instead.

[Pedaal]

how are diff box and gear box connected?
are manual diff box same with auto diff box or not?
are rear differential same in manual and auto version?

hope you understand it in my poore language?

[bradc]

Pedaal, the auto front diff + rear diff + transfer box are all the same whether auto or manual.

The only difference is the gear box, and the final drive in the gearbox

[Pedaal]

Pedaal, the auto front diff + rear diff + transfer box are all the same whether auto or manual.

The only difference is the gear box, and the final drive in the gearbox


thnx

that was good news what i want hear (read).