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Opie Oils
24-05-2007, 12:13 PM
Costs of synthetics vary considerably. The most expensive are the “Ester” types originally only used in jet engines. These cost 6 to 10 times more than high quality mineral oils.

The cheapest synthetics are not really synthetic at all, they are dug out of the ground and not manmade. These are in fact specially refined light viscosity mineral oils known as “hydrocracked” oils.

“Hydrocracked” oils have some advantages over their equivalent mineral oils, particularly in lower viscosity motor oils such as 5w-30 and 5w-40 and they cost about 1.5 times more than good quality mineral fractions. This is the “synthetic” which is always used in cheap oils that are labelled “synthetic”.

So, why are these special mineral oils called “synthetic”?

Well, it all came about from a legal battle that took place in the USA more than ten years ago. Sound reasons (including evidence from a Nobel Prize winning chemist) were disregarded and the final ruling was that certain mineral bases that had undergone extra chemical treatments could be called “synthetic”.

Needless to say, the marketing executives wet their knickers with pure delight! They realised that this meant, and still does, that the critical buzz-word “synthetic” could be printed on a can of cheap oil provided that the contents included some “hydrocracked” mineral oil, at a cost of quite literally a few pence.

So, the chemistry of “synthetics” is complex and so is the politics. The economics are very simple though.

If you like the look of a smart well-marketed can with “synthetic” printed on it, fair enough, it will not cost you a lot; and now you know why this is the case, it’s really only a highly processed mineral oil.

But, if you drive a high performance or modified car, and you intend to keep it for several years, and maybe do the odd “track day” or “1/4 mile”, then you need a genuine Ester/PAO (Poly Alpha Olefin) synthetic oil.

These oils cost more money to buy, because they cost a lot more money to make.

Very simply, you always get what you pay for, cheap oils contain cheap ingredients, what did you expect!

Kieran
24-05-2007, 08:13 PM
http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12438

/pan

Opie Oils
24-05-2007, 08:21 PM
Didn't realise I posted it 18 months ago.

Sorry


Cheers
Simon

Kieran
24-05-2007, 08:24 PM
Heh! No worries, we repeat ourselves on here all the time anyway - I guessed you'd forgot!:scholar:

Lillywotsername
24-05-2007, 08:29 PM
we repeat ourselves on here all the time anyway you'd
You do all the time..... You forget that you say the word POLISH and repeat it at least 30 times in a day.

Kieran
24-05-2007, 08:30 PM
You do all the time..... You forget that you say the word POLISH and repeat it at least 30 times in a day.

WRONG!
Twenty Eight plus 12 on a Thursday, Actually! /pan

stuartturbo
24-05-2007, 08:36 PM
Oilman i'll be on the phone in the morning for the 20litres of atf I prob spoke to you this morning and some svg 75w90 oil and engine 0w30
What time do you open?

ANTHONY
24-05-2007, 08:39 PM
Heh! No worries, we repeat ourselves on here all the time anyway - I guessed you'd forgot!:scholar:

EDD
27-05-2007, 06:39 PM
Whats the best oil for the Legnum VR-4? Some one coming to have a look at her next week to buy her. Thought id give her an oil change anyway. Will be sorry to get rid. Possible Skyline R32 GTS-T on the way.

Kieran
27-05-2007, 06:46 PM
Whats the best oil for the Legnum VR-4? Some one coming to have a look at her next week to buy her. Thought id give her an oil change anyway. Will be sorry to get rid. Possible Skyline R32 GTS-T on the way.

Search the forums for Amsoil. :scholar:

KHK
27-05-2007, 08:52 PM
then what does it mean "100% synthetic" oil?
also cheap grade oil?

that means "synthetic" is misleading, a lie !!!

amsoil
27-05-2007, 09:15 PM
'Synthetic' can easily be misleading. However you wont be mislead too far if you check out the price. The expensive oils, £45 - £55 in the UK are real full synthetic whereas the 'other' synthetics or synthetic blends / with the benifit of synthetic engineerings stuff at abot £25-30 ish is not real full synthetic. Best oils are Amsoil , Motul and Castrol Edge, Unfortunately the real money is in the £25-30 a gallon area, where the majority of the sales are and people don't realise they are not getting what they think is a bargin. Guess the legal arguement comes down to, if the oil is refined to such a degree that no part of it is natural then what is it?