What would we be all driving if there was no such thing as a VR-4?

[bradc]

I'd probably still be driving my black facelift gdi wagon, or possibly a holden commodore v8 wagon.

[Wodjno]

I'd probably still be driving my black facelift gdi wagon, or possibly a holden commodore v8 wagon.

RS4 or RS6

[bradc]

ooh good choice, an RS6 or R34 GT-R would be my choice too, but they're too expensive!

[Wodjno]

ooh good choice, an RS6 or R34 GT-R would be my choice too, but they're too expensive!

The money i have spent on my VR4 in performance upgrades and fuel costs would have easily allowed me to afforded 1 or the other /yes

But 1 problem is :inquisiti

I would have been bored with them, unless i modded them /yes

I don't think it matters what car i own, if i can't play with modifications then i'm gonna get bored /rally

[bradc]

I'm about half way there to spending as much on my car as what would be needed to buy an RS6 or GT-R over here, but the next bit of money will either bring me a 2.8l fully forged engine or a 2.5l fully forged engine, both options will have a pair of gt2554r turbos and will be damned quick :D

[Kieran]

I would have stuck with my GLS for a little longer, then probably had either a V6-24, or had another Honda Accord Coupe, or a Toyota Soarer GT-LTD.

[bernmc]

A skyline :D

[psbarham]

jag XJR (in black of course:pimp2: ) or xtype 3.0 sport , both cars were on the shopping list when we brought the mitsu , but cat decided the V6 was more sensible :inquisiti

[Subaru ETA]

r8 clubsport or a skyline

[Nick VR4]

Deffo RS6 if Bank Account allowed it if not maybe a Galant V6, or maybe an Accord, Jag or Mondeo, AMG Merc

[Wodjno]

Oh yeah ! Heres 1 for the future :D

S-Type R with Twin Turbo Conversion :D

http://www.motorbar.co.uk/styper.htm

[caishanvr4]

Lexus GS-V300 without a doubt
Honda accord type-r
Skoda octavia rsi

[Beastlee]

In this order:

SAAB 9000 Aero with stage 3 tune and handling upgrade
Octavia RSi
Legacy GT-B
Volvo V70R preferably AWD
Volvo 855R
Impreza STi Wagon

Yes some of these may be considered sad but they are cheap and suitable for my requirements

[Brunty]

I was looking at a gorgeous V6-24 before I decided I really had to have a VR4.

Right now if I didn't have the VR4 it would a company Toyota Prious with my old KTM Duke for raising the heart rate at the weekends.

[Throbbe]

I was looking at V70R and RS2's as alternatives to the VR4. The Volvo is still to expensive really, although it'll be a nice option in a couple of years. Huge amounts of 'scene tax' on the RS2.

[stuey]

bmw 540i tourer
merc e320 estate
saab 9-5 2.3t eastate
legacy
rs6

[MarkSanne]

I'd drive a 6G Galant GTI... oh wait, I still do own and drive two of those comfy suckers!

Other than that:
- Mitsu Lancer EVO
- Lexus LS400
- Nissan Skyline
- Honda Accord (latest type)
- Subaru Legacy

[tig202]

RS6..... till it needs mending!/Grrr

[thecustomer]

Passat w8 estate
- sub £10k
- 4x4, power & torque, tiptronic
+ stealth mode
maybe even more so than a VR4
definitely more stealth than an Audi RS

:baby:

Will

[psbarham]

Oh yeah ! Heres 1 for the future :D

S-Type R with Twin Turbo Conversion :D

http://www.motorbar.co.uk/styper.htm
oh dear sticky wee time :oops:

[VR-04-TT]

I probably would've ended up looking for an older evo or .... a wrx sti...the dark side!!!/pan

[Rossco Type-S]

The other 4wd 2.5 litre twin-turbo v6 wagon ... Nissan Stagea Axis

Or Toyota Caldina GT-T - even know there really is no comparison to a VR4

Probably would have considered a Legacy GT if the VR4 didn't exist, and would have regretted it when the transmission blew or the block cracked! Which reminds me I was in Wellington last week, nad was in a taxi on the wat to the airport during peak traffic when a Legacy RSK broke down on the access road to the Victora Tunnel...very funny everyone was on their horns and the poor bastard had no-where to go...luckily it was a two-lane road.

[defm0de]

a peugeot 306 gti6

[dickytim]

my other choices were

Honda Accord SIR
Nissan Skyline GTT
Mazda RX7
Subaru STI wagon

[Rosco_NZ]

almost diffinately a toyota aristo (lexus gs 300) with the 3L twin turbo. cheap, stealth(no one has a fn clue what these are here..) and go like a bat out of a hell (in a straight line atleast).

or perhaps a more sedate car like a toyota carib blacktop or caldina GT-T

if i had more$ to play with a audi RS6

or i hate to say it, but a WRX sti /pan

[KHK]

with proper maintenance, VR4 should last at least 5 more years
changing car would be a decision needed very far away in future

[Rossco Type-S]

... and go like a bat out of a hell (in a straight line atleast).



Easy way to get to hell early if the second turbo kicks in as you are going round a bend/Devil5

[WildCards]

Before I bought the VR-4 I really wanted an ATR, but I had also been looking at V70R's. I think i'd have probably bought the ATR, but saying that i'm glad I got the VR-4 out of my system.

I'm quite happy about the car situation i'm in now, of course that could all change if this 205 doesn't live up to expectations.

[Beastlee]

I know the 205 Mi-16s are fun even if my 405 version wa no slower. Without much tweaking they were fantastic and off the line the weight difference was very noticeable.

If I could find a 405 T16 in Germany then I'd snap it up without a thought.

[philipbennett25]

Having only bought my VR4 ten weeks ago I can just about recall the alternatives I was looking at, and:

Jaguar XKR
Audi RS4/6
Merc C32 AMG 2002 ish

[Johnny_Cashed]

I don't own a VR4, but once my V6 Galant is worn out I was thinking about getting a second hand VW Phaeton.

[stu1888]

saab 9000 aero as i still have it with abbott upgrades ans speed parts stage 3 chip.

other than that i think an evo or skyline

[timiano]

Evo Wagon
Subaru Forester STI

[CANDEE]

I would prob still either still have my 7G vx(v6) or my modded AE111, or maybe even a v8 falcon or something similar.

Despite this ive been looking into either a civic or a Westfield/Fraser for a street/track weapon.. :P

[pezza]

Ummm preference wud be a wagon:

Volvo 850R
Saab 9k Aero
540i touring

Aristo / Vertex ? GS300 without a doubt too Aweome monster that does it in silence :-) That 3.0 TT lump from toyota one of the best engines IMO from days gone by!

[KiwiTT]

Keeping within the range I paid for the VR-4 plus servicing

Jaguar X-Type 3.0S
BMW 540i
BMW 328i/330i Coupe
VW Golf R32

[valmes]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3345526472128629387

:) In video:

1) Subaru Legacy Wagon GT MT 280HP
2) Audi RS6 Wagon 5 tiptr 450HP
3) Subaru Legacy Wagon GT AT 280HP
4) Toyota Caldina Wagon GT Four Spec N AT 260HP
5) Volvo V70 T-5 Sports E-5AT 250HP

[william]

I would like to keep the VR-4 for a reasonable time but when it is time to change would consider


Skyline GTR/Stagea RS260

BMW 540 (Had one before)

Audi RS6 (probably too expensive)

Falcon V8

[Subaru ETA]

FALCON V8?!?!?!?!?!?! whats wrong with you?!? :p

[Beastlee]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3345526472128629387

:) In video:

1) Subaru Legacy Wagon GT MT 280HP
2) Audi RS6 Wagon 5 tiptr 450HP
3) Subaru Legacy Wagon GT AT 280HP
4) Toyota Caldina Wagon GT Four Spec N AT 260HP
5) Volvo V70 T-5 Sports E-5AT 250HP

After watching that I like the Legacy, much more affordable than the RS6! And I'm now uninterested in V70 T5s as it was nowhere to be seen!

[william]

FALCON V8?!?!?!?!?!?! whats wrong with you?!? :p


Holdens just don't do it for me!!

[Subaru ETA]

william my man, you must have VERY deep pockets to even think about falcon ownership! if you were to get one tho, get ued to the ford fiesta...they are what ford dealerships use as loan cars :p

[thecustomer]

oooooh.... how about a v6 twin turbo 4x4 estate?

According to Evo magazine, Saab's going to start offering a 4x4 9-3 in September

Should be my perfect ride in about 2012!

/rally

[william]

Thanks for the kind advice David! The consumer websites do not share your dire warnings on Fords! Have a look at the Holden recalls! In saying that, I do not think Holdens are bad cars - they just do not stirr anything inside me. I grew up in the era of Ford Cosworth formula 1 engines, racing and rallying BDA Escorts ( I still get goosebumps when I hear a BDA on full song), GT40's, Cosworth , Cologne and V8 Capri Peranas. So I guess I am nostalgic when it comes to Fords but isn't that what being an enthusiast is all about? I have never owned a Ford (the closes being a Ford Courier diesel twincab 4x4 which was a Mazda as you know) but as a kid travelled many miles in the family Zephyrs, Cortinas, Escorts, Falcons and Holdens (they were sold as Chevs in SA) They all had their good and bad points! If you talk to a Holden mechanic he will tell you some horror stories about them too, and if he is unwilling I can tell you some!

[djb160]

I just find it funny that falcons are looking more and more like commodores with every release. One of them evil XR6 typhoons sound pretty awesome to me.

[Subaru ETA]

haha speaking of recalls how bout the falcon one that was released today :p haha yeah i know holdens have there down points but yeah i just liken taking the piss haha

and if i was to own a falcon it would be a typhoon

[william]

LOL I know that and I am always quick to take the bait!! I like the Typhoon too (the one with the clutch upgrade!!) but it is a bit pricey at this stage.

I guess if we all had to buy sensible cars (cheap, reliable, economical) we would have been driving diesel Kia's or Daewoos - now that is scary stuff!

[Rossco Type-S]

oooooh.... how about a v6 twin turbo 4x4 estate?


/rally


http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/nissan/stagea/2002_10/21804/

[bradc]

thats an inline 6 single turbo, but it is about as close as you're going to get to a VR-4, at least it is a 2.5l 6 cylinder :)

The interior looks terrible though!

[william]

It is a 4 liter inline 6!

[bradc]

I was talking about the stagea, not the aussie piece of poo :)

[william]

Still wrong then - the RS260 has the RB26 DET motor from the GTR which is a 2.6l. I agree about the interior and would add the ugly rear and boxy sides. That motor can make serious power though!

[bradc]

thats not an RS260 that Rossco linked to, it is the V35 based stagea

[william]

Eh..OK!

[Rossco Type-S]

thats an inline 6 single turbo, but it is about as close as you're going to get to a VR-4, at least it is a 2.5l 6 cylinder :)

The interior looks terrible though!

The M35 is a V6, they changed engines from the RB25 when they did the facelift. The interior (and exterior) is a lot better than those pics on the top moel (the axis).

The specs on that site say that it is a single turbo, but I think the V6 is twin turbo.

[bradc]

yeah you're right about the v6, not sure about how many turbos they have, but I thought everything was a single apart from the rb26dett

[Rossco Type-S]

yeah you're right about the v6, not sure about how many turbos they have, but I thought everything was a single apart from the rb26dett

Might be right. It looks like I may have assumed it is a twin turbo because it is a V6. If it was twin turbo it would be VQ25DETT.

406Nm of torque a 3200rpm sounds good though.

[bradc]

my car is close to 600nm :D

[Physician]

If I hadn't come across the VR4 I would almost certainly have been driving a 3 litre facelift Sigma ......... I'd always liked the Sigma and had seen a pristine one a number of times at my daughter's school and had decided to hunt for a good one when I learned of a machine named a Galant VR4!

Previous cars of note that I've owned:

Jensen Healey (with 2 litre Lotus engine)

Ford Capri (3 litre)

Ford Sierra 4 x 4

Jaguar V12 E Type

All pretty lively cars with a penchant for letting the back end step out (except the Sierra). And none of them had a damn thingy called an ECU! :scholar:

[Eurospec]

If I hadn't come across the VR4 I would almost certainly have been driving a 3 litre facelift Sigma ......... I'd always liked the Sigma and had seen a pristine one a number of times at my daughter's school and had decided to hunt for a good one when I learned of a machine named a Galant VR4!

Previous cars of note that I've owned:

Jensen Healey (with 2 litre Lotus engine)

Ford Capri (3 litre)

Ford Sierra 4 x 4

Jaguar V12 E Type

All pretty lively cars with a penchant for letting the back end step out (except the Sierra). And none of them had a damn thingy called an ECU! :scholar:

3 litre capri:pimp2:

Quality! I have one of those! Dont try and go anywhere in the wet!

Kept it for my body and doyle moments! I put attitude by the beasty boys in the tape deck, put on my ray ban aviators and instantly i am in the 70's racing a rover sd1!

Cheers,

Ben.

[Paul Beazer]

If I hadn't come across the VR4 I would almost certainly have been driving a 3 litre facelift Sigma ......... I'd always liked the Sigma and had seen a pristine one a number of times at my daughter's school and had decided to hunt for a good one when I learned of a machine named a Galant VR4!

Previous cars of note that I've owned:

Jensen Healey (with 2 litre Lotus engine)

Ford Capri (3 litre)

Ford Sierra 4 x 4

Jaguar V12 E Type

All pretty lively cars with a penchant for letting the back end step out (except the Sierra). And none of them had a damn thingy called an ECU! :scholar:
Which sierra 4 x 4? I thought they were EFI?? Must have had an ECU.:inquisiti

[Beastlee]

The earlier 2.8 wasn't wasit? the later 4x4i 2.9 was I think

[Paul Beazer]

I always thought the 4x4 sierras were all EFIs.

[Physician]

Which sierra 4 x 4? I thought they were EFI?? Must have had an ECU.:inquisiti

Heck ....... I can't remember now. It was only the standard 4 x 4 and not one of the really fast RS or Cosworths. Fast enough though - and easy to outpace most other cars on the twisties due to the 4 wheel drive. I *think* mine was an early one 2.8 as I recollect most people had not seen nor heard of them and were impressed with the performance.

[WildCards]

Heck ....... I can't remember now. It was only the standard 4 x 4 and not one of the really fast RS or Cosworths. Fast enough though - and easy to outpace most other cars on the twisties due to the 4 wheel drive. I *think* mine was an early one 2.8 as I recollect most people had not seen nor heard of them and were impressed with the performance.

Not an M5 Rich? You were looking at one last year weren't you.

[valleyforge1]

any aston if I had the money

my old 405 of which I had no probs with

[ralliart-type-s]

I'd have kept my pajero, if I'd spent the cash on her that I've spent on the legggie I could have done the susp lift thing and gone ballistic off road.

[d i c k i e s]

hmmmm? Prolly some sort of V8 Holden or an evo?

[jaimz]

Ah... the ol' "what if" question :evilgrin:

If I could afford one, I'd get a B5 RS4. No question.

Because I can't, and I NEED a fast wagon... probably a Legacy (sorry!) or a RSFour Stagea (but they just so uuuuuuugly!)

[Physician]

Not an M5 Rich? You were looking at one last year weren't you.

Subsequently, yes ...... but when I was looking for a car originally it would have been the Sigma. I NOW want something convertible again ....... but the ones I want are all a tad toooooo expensive.

[Beastlee]

Actually add M5 (old style) to my list. I much prefer an older car.

[White Lightning]

Probably a Honda Prelude VTEC ... I was looking at them when the VR-4 that I have now popped up for sale ... or I would have bought an older Octavia vRS and modded it. The only reason I sold my vRS was to fund buying the house. It was a lovely car.