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Gowf
01-11-2007, 01:01 PM
Well you shall all see very soon that i actualy do have a legnum and not a plethora of skylines and GTO's..... the manifolds are almost complete!

So 4(at least i think its 4, it may even be 6)months on and finaly after all the set backs and disapointments i am picking my car up on saturday. Yes i know, i have heard that for the past 4months, but ive been up there and seen the finished article! Just the exhaust to be fabricated then i can get it....If you call a 3" straight pipe an exhaust!

Anyway, hopefully after a week or so of fettleing, the car should be up and running(as long as too much **** hasnt fallen down the bores or into the turbos! Really quite excited now, as finaly i can see the end. End is a loose term though, as this is still only a stop gap before the proper tub's get put on, and rebuild at xmas time.

Anyway Once i have it back and working, and i stress working, then i'l post pics of what bankrupcy looks like!

Crickle
01-11-2007, 01:03 PM
As I said last night, I'll sell you on ebay if you like? We should make enough to keep you clear of bankruptcy for a short while :D

WildCards
01-11-2007, 01:33 PM
Cool.

Gowf
01-11-2007, 05:08 PM
Cool.

So this means that your dad will finaly get his exhaust, you'l get your tyres, and you'l have a finished 205 one weekend soon!

Mark 4
01-11-2007, 05:11 PM
Good news Gareth, looking forward to seeing your results.

Nutter_John
01-11-2007, 07:19 PM
So this means that your dad will finaly get his exhaust, you'l get your tyres, and you'l have a finished 205 one weekend soon!

well your correct on two of those points , but which ones :p


Excellent news matey , can't wait to see it run

Kieran
01-11-2007, 09:00 PM
Yay!! /Poms

Looking forward to seeing it in action and used in anger!!:afro:

psbarham
01-11-2007, 09:12 PM
nice one mate, i bet your chuffed now. does this mean the 'liner won't need the custom made psb billet allumium external adjustable wastegate spring now?

Nick Mann
01-11-2007, 10:35 PM
Need to see more!!! Need to hear more!!! Get some numbers up sir! (In a week or so, anyway!)

Gowf
02-11-2007, 05:58 PM
Right then.... manifolds are done.... downpipes are being made tomorrow, then exhaust after that. Picking it up on wednesday now, but for a change that is a definate.

Gowf
06-11-2007, 03:54 AM
Bloody hell, your like a bunch of old women!

Right.... i shall put you all straight.

No i dont have my car yet, i was due to pick it up on saturday but didnt... so its now wednesday but i dont think that i can manage that either.... so its looking more like the weekend.

As for pics....... i did say previously that pretty pics willl be put up when the car is running again. Even though im getting it back im still looking at a weeks solid work at least on it before any mapping is even started, so your pics are a little while away.

Bought the final bits for it today, fans and turbo insulating bags... so its all here ready to be thrown together as soon as i can.

All thats now left to do is sell the skyline...... anyone fancy an economical runaround?

Oh and paul, used my welding idea at the weekend, worked amazinly. but now realise that the actuator was fine, its a coil issue so a new set are on there way. 0.85bar on wastegate....thats what im talking about!

valmes
06-11-2007, 04:26 AM
I guess I missed the part with specs... what are they?

psbarham
06-11-2007, 07:54 AM
Oh and paul, used my welding idea at the weekend, worked amazinly. but now realise that the actuator was fine, its a coil issue so a new set are on there way. 0.85bar on wastegate....thats what im talking about!

drum brake return spring?
more expense then /Hissy oh well at least the cause has been found

Gowf
06-11-2007, 12:48 PM
I guess I missed the part with specs... what are they?

Yeah there was nothing said in this thread as it was mentioned about 6months ago when i started the whole thing.

The jist of it is a pair of TD04-13G's from a GTO for the time being. Then at xmas time, the internals are getting done along with some headwork and looking at going to either 15G's or 19T's.... i know there is a huge difference between them, the issue is i dont want a car riddled with turbo lag.... so im still undecided on that.

Its been that long that i cant remember whats on the car, as most of it has been done prior to manifold manufacture, but heres a list anyway, but dont take it as exhaustive.

TD04-13G's (then 15G/19T)
Custom s/s manifolds
3" straight through exhaust
2.5" downpipes
twin air filters
custom induction pipework
GReaddy intercooler(the big one, cant remember its name)
GReaddy oil cooler and filter reloated to passenger front wing
twin 10" spal push fans
air con removed
550cc (although going to 700's soon) RC injectors (from GTO)
Sard 265lph fuel pump (hard wired)
Sard FPR
Twin feed fuel rail
exeedy 4 puck clutch
lightend flywheel
B&M shortshift
Battery in Boot
Map 2 ecu
PLX wideband and 2 egt's
SPA oil temp/pressure and boost
knock link
NGK 8's
(the forged stuff that benh has posted up pics of)
Im struggling to think of other stuff without the car here, but thats most of it i think.

I want to change the box to have a straight cut gearkit, well idealy a 6 speed sequential dog box is what i wanted but i can not justfy that sort of expense, and have a couple of lsd/plate diffs in there, as im fairly confident the gay-y-c will not cope with punishment its going to get

Oh yeah as a final thing..... there has been talk of a 200 shot of NOS going in.... we shall just have to wait and see.....

WildCards
06-11-2007, 01:02 PM
Gareth, get that list into your garage and you can just direct people there in the future. Might save you some time as the list will undoubtedly grow.

Gowf
06-11-2007, 02:00 PM
Gareth, get that list into your garage and you can just direct people there in the future. Might save you some time as the list will undoubtedly grow.

There are loads more bits on the car, but there not really to do with the thread so i just missed them out..... scary thing is i just calcualted what the car has cost me, i think we'l just forget about that and live happy in the knowledge that i can always sleep in the back of the car!

Gowf
06-11-2007, 02:02 PM
drum brake return spring?
more expense then /Hissy oh well at least the cause has been found


Yeah it was, off an escort. It has worked really well, but just blowing the spark out... hopefuly these splitfires will resolve the issue... but yeah, not becoming such a cheap car any more!

WildCards
06-11-2007, 02:29 PM
There are loads more bits on the car, but there not really to do with the thread so i just missed them out..... scary thing is i just calcualted what the car has cost me, i think we'l just forget about that and live happy in the knowledge that i can always sleep in the back of the car!

I'm guessing 2x,xxx?

Gowf
06-11-2007, 02:34 PM
I'm guessing 2x,xxx?


Shall we run a book on it?

orionn2o
06-11-2007, 03:13 PM
Yeah I reckon we should!!

With a BIG prize!

Kieran
06-11-2007, 03:30 PM
Good grief, what a spec!:afro:

(Oh, and thread pruned of spam!)

WildCards
06-11-2007, 03:50 PM
Shall we run a book on it?

Yeah, 3kgs of Steve's finest Gorgonzola on £26,000

SGHOM
06-11-2007, 04:08 PM
eventually.... after over 2 years... a car that might legitimately beat my record ! :bananadan /rally :afro:

Gowf
06-11-2007, 05:55 PM
Yeah, 3kgs of Steve's finest Gorgonzola on £26,000

£26k eh? This could be a laugh.....

Hmmmm.... prize, after this car i dont think il have prize buying money, quite curious to know how much you all actualy think ive spent though.

Place your bets now!

valmes
06-11-2007, 06:48 PM
eventually.... after over 2 years... a car that might legitimately beat my record ! :bananadan /rally :afro:

I'm puzzled here... :inquisiti

Kieran
06-11-2007, 06:49 PM
I'm puzzled here... :inquisiti

Heh! I think Derek means in the UK!

valmes
07-11-2007, 03:54 AM
Heh! I think Derek means in the UK!

So the BDA time is considered not to be legitimate due to stripped interior? Cause if my memory serves me right he was faster...

Gowf
04-01-2008, 07:26 PM
Right.... Finaly an end to months of bull****, I know can look out of my window and see my VR4..... Thats right, its finaly done, 6 months on the Td04's are on. Manifolds are quite pretty, as is the nonsense exhaust. When its less dark i'l take pics, but for now i just have the arduous task of putting it back together. Give me a few weeks and hopefully we'l see some results.

bradc
04-01-2008, 07:32 PM
cool, we need pics!

psbarham
04-01-2008, 07:39 PM
woooooooooooo hoooooooooooooooo

about fricking time, now bolt the bugger back together and drive it :pimp2:

Kieran
04-01-2008, 07:44 PM
Is it quick? Is it quick?/Poms /Hyper :afro:

Gowf
04-01-2008, 07:49 PM
Is it quick? Is it quick?/Poms /Hyper :afro:


well it did manage a majestic 65 at one point today on the trailer! Quickest its been in a long time

Kieran
04-01-2008, 07:52 PM
well it did manage a majestic 65 at one point today on the trailer! Quickest its been in a long time

Oh right, lol! /duh

So you've got to put it together - does that mean it still needs mapping and all that jazz too?

Gowf
04-01-2008, 08:00 PM
Oh right, lol! /duh

So you've got to put it together - does that mean it still needs mapping and all that jazz too?


Yeah... the manifolds exhaust and tubs are all bolted together, but need gasketing. The turbos also need plumbing in with water and oil. Then there is just a huge list of other jobs that have been half finished to do. I dont think 2 weeks is an unrealistic target provided all goes well with getting my hands on certain bits. Mapping is going be be an absolute joy, but need to order some proper fuel first!

Mark 4
04-01-2008, 09:21 PM
Great news Gareth, hope it all goes ok for you now.

Paul Beazer
04-01-2008, 09:52 PM
OOOh coolio! How easy was it to fit the TD04's? I thought a bit of bulkhead "remodelling" was required to squeeze them in?

Nick Mann
04-01-2008, 10:12 PM
/ttiwwop

But I'm glad you have got it a bit closer! I want to see results and plumbing! :thumbsup:

White Lightning
04-01-2008, 10:28 PM
Great news ... :afro:

Gowf
05-01-2008, 12:00 AM
OOOh coolio! How easy was it to fit the TD04's? I thought a bit of bulkhead "remodelling" was required to squeeze them in?

Easy its not, thats why its taken so long.... Does all depend on your choice of TD04 and compressor housing size. My bulkhead still remains intact, with no remodelling required, but that is because that is what i wanted and the manifolds have been made to suit.

ANTHONY
05-01-2008, 12:00 AM
nice 1 mate

ianturbo
05-01-2008, 12:58 AM
this sounds like a dodgey phone line ,hear lots but not see !! any pics ???
ian

Gowf
05-01-2008, 07:28 PM
Right.... took a couple of pics today of the turbos, but then had to get to guildford so no work has started yet. As you can see nothing is bolted up, infact there is hardly anything installed yet, but thats because i need to stick gaskets and the like in place.

Paul C
05-01-2008, 07:43 PM
Is there much less to do other than water,oil feeds and tuning?
Looking forward to seeing some great results and hopefully a powerful and realiable vr4.

Paul C
05-01-2008, 07:48 PM
Do you need to relocate the radiator?

Gowf
05-01-2008, 07:51 PM
yeah... The rear turbo had to be clocked, so need to fab a bracket for the actuator. The fuel feed lines are done, but the return and regulator ones need to be put in. The Injector wiring needs to be finished off, EGT guages wired up, The std induction pipework doesnt fit so needs to be modified, air filter's and piping rigged up individualy for each turbo. Other than that, i think its more or less just putting bits back on, oh.... and sorting out the map2 wiring(it's in a bit of a state).

Oh..... i forgot.... no the radiator remains where it was, but the small fan has to go. Keeping the big fan, and putting 2 10" push fans where the air con rad was.

bradc
05-01-2008, 08:22 PM
I like how you've done the manifolds :)

Munta
06-01-2008, 08:52 PM
manifolds look very pretty

Gowf
08-01-2008, 10:41 PM
Just thought i'd put up a couple of pics of the front manifold off the car. As im looking to ask another favour.....

Short of mitsi, does anyone know where i can get manifold gaskets from?

peter thomson
08-01-2008, 11:09 PM
http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m22b17s1400p7172

£40 from camskill. I havn't seen them advertised anywhere else so far

Kieran
08-01-2008, 11:20 PM
They do look nice. Can they take the weight of a TD04 hanging off them long term though?:inquisiti

Gowf
08-01-2008, 11:24 PM
They do look nice. Can they take the weight of a TD04 hanging off them long term though?:inquisiti


I only hope so. They are braced acroess the bottom loop and there is a bracket to further secure the turbo on to the straight part as it comes out of the flange.. They are quite sterdy, but when the egt stops reading as the probe has melted, im sure they'l droop then!

ANTHONY
08-01-2008, 11:24 PM
what about some photos of the car .............feck all the manifold stuff

bradc
08-01-2008, 11:25 PM
they look nice :)

Kieran
08-01-2008, 11:28 PM
....They are quite sterdy, but when the egt stops reading as the probe has melted, im sure they'l droop then!

/lol My hero!!!!:afro:

Gowf
08-01-2008, 11:44 PM
what about some photos of the car .............feck all the manifold stuff


Well i would, but it doesnt look much as its totaly in bits on a trailer at the moment. Also im sure when i left it with the bloke it was white!

zentac
18-01-2008, 10:47 PM
looks sweet not much more to do then. Should go like stink. You VR4 guys are privaledged, youve got far too much room in that engine bay ;)

Are the 3 primaries all the same length on the manifolds?

Paul Beazer
18-01-2008, 11:09 PM
Ah yes the FTO 6A13TT shoe horn is indeed a rare tool.

zentac
19-01-2008, 12:00 AM
always got a hammer and a shoe horn in my toolbox, should be back on the road next week... touch wood!

Kieran
19-01-2008, 12:01 AM
always got a hammer and a shoe horn in my toolbox, should be back on the road next week... touch wood!

Mmmm... Spec?:inquisiti

Louis
19-01-2008, 12:35 AM
Mmmm...specy

Gowf
19-01-2008, 07:25 PM
looks sweet not much more to do then. Should go like stink. You VR4 guys are privaledged, youve got far too much room in that engine bay ;)

Are the 3 primaries all the same length on the manifolds?

Yeah. The pics are of the front one. The back one is also equal length but shorter than the front.

phosty
19-01-2008, 09:16 PM
Out of interest, what EGT probes/sensors have you gone for? The thermocouple plug looks like one that fits to a tool I have for work.

Gowf
19-01-2008, 10:27 PM
They are PLX devices ( www.plxdevices.com )probes and guages. My wideband's also from there, but the oil temp/press is from spa.

The PLX stuff really is well worth the money, and the long wait to get them!

stuartturbo
20-01-2008, 09:31 AM
mine turned up in 3 days

Gowf
20-01-2008, 06:12 PM
Mine have always taken weeks, i think that ive just been unlucky. When i ordered the EGT's they were still refining the gauges and then they forgot about my order. Got here in the end though, and its not like i had a car to fit them on anyway so no dramas

Paul C
27-01-2008, 08:18 PM
gowf have you had it on the road yet.

Gowf
27-01-2008, 08:43 PM
I wish. Ive been up and down the country trying to get a civic ready for the snowman rally on the 17th. Got some other stuff to do next week, but should finaly get round to putting it all together after that. Do you still want that intake thing paul?

ANTHONY
27-01-2008, 08:46 PM
i still aint seen a photo of the whole car yet

Paul C
27-01-2008, 09:05 PM
I wish. Ive been up and down the country trying to get a civic ready for the snowman rally on the 17th. Got some other stuff to do next week, but should finaly get round to putting it all together after that. Do you still want that intake thing paul?

I've had a rethink i started making an airfilter using existing box having done away with maf sensor, but i just kidding mysel. what i need is 2 seperate cones feeding the turbo's, once i figure a way of making a suitable connection to the front turbo. Someone must of been pissing themselves laughing when they designed it. How awkward can they make access to these things. I wont need the intake track now ,but thanks for baring me in mind. Who's is the civic is it the one you have been trying to connect the me2 to.

zentac
27-01-2008, 11:02 PM
Yeah. The pics are of the front one. The back one is also equal length but shorter than the front.

the middle pipe of those 3 looks a lot shorter, mine had to do up slightly before going back down to make all 3 the same length (if you see what I mean) If it is shorter that means your middle bank will run leaner than the other 2 which could cause you issues. Evo's have a similar problem with most aftermarket (and standard) manifolds, runner 3 (or is it 2) is shorter than the rest. Thats why why you see the really expensive manifolds on EVOs the are all sorts of wierd and wonderfull shapes to get them the same length.

Eurospec
28-01-2008, 09:30 AM
Is it not true though that unequal length manifolds will cause the turbo to see more of a pulse effect from the incoming gas which helps to accelerate it better than a smoother stream which you would associate with equal length runners?

For NA i agree equal lenght is best, but for turbo i am yet to be convinced.

Cheers,

Ben.

Nick Mann
28-01-2008, 11:20 AM
They aren't equal length as standard? How much of an issue can it cause?

phosty
28-01-2008, 06:40 PM
I thought the principle behind equal length manifolds was to ensure that the pulses from each cylinder don't arrive all at once i.e. you get a (ideal) steady stream of constant pulses (equivalent to the piston firing rate). With unequal length you might get some addition or subtraction of pulses depending on when they hit each other (and the turbo)?

Or have I got it all the wrong way around?

Equal length seems to work for Scoobies:

http://www.steve.ukmail.org/car/manifold.html

Nick Mann
28-01-2008, 08:21 PM
I understand the issue with a non-turbo car - the pulses need to travel at the right speed and distance up the exhaust. This can actually lead to a vacuum effect behind each pulse, helping your exhaust gases leave the cylinder. You don't want to have pulses interfering with each other as this destroys the effect. But the turbo kind of destroys all that theory anyway, doesn't it! I can't wrap my head around equal length pipes being anywhere near as important on a turbo car, let alone work out why it should change the fueling?

Turbo_Steve
28-01-2008, 11:13 PM
It does make a difference, but the length of the pipes defines the amount of difference it makes. The runners on the 6a13tt are significantly shorter than the scoobs, meaning the effect of runner length is much less significant.

Saying that, we're talking about a 3-cyl engine, not 4, so shortening one of the runners slightly may even out the pulse timings.

The trouble with non-equal lengths is that they only really work well at specific RPM points and loads. Change these parameters, and the benefits tend to erode: the speed of the gas is somewhat fixed (usually by it's temperature) whilst the rate of pulses is dependant on rpms.

Nick Mann
29-01-2008, 05:25 PM
I can see the pulse interference thing, but don't get why it is important in a manifold that means the gas travels ten inches before it hits the turbine blades?

Also, the standard manifolds on the VR4 are different front and back. The rear turbo is mounted close to the centre of the cylinders, whereas the front is mounted to one side. I can show this better with photos at the weekend.

zentac
29-01-2008, 07:44 PM
Ah I like a good technical descussion.... off to read up more on flow dynamics... back in a bit ;)

Turbo_Steve
29-01-2008, 10:13 PM
Nick, It's a Mitsubishi thing: all their engines they seem intent on keeping exhuast manifold as small as possible. Short runnels, no real concern about length (although firing order seems to have been taken account of, so maybe there is method in the madness?)

Generally, if they're really short (like mitsubishi's are) any manifold effects are pretty much irrelevant, especially on a well specified turbo. Go for something a little too big and effects can start to become more apparent.

It's a much bigger deal on longer manifolds, like the scoobs.

Eurospec
30-01-2008, 09:40 AM
The thing that bothers me on a scooby is that whole design of the runners is sketch. The distance from the passenger side to the up pipe is a lot lot more than the drivers side. Even aftermarket manifolds never match that distance.

I even notice power reductions from fitting aftermarket up pipes on them, which i associate with a loss of gas speed.

I think that it is safe to say that the longer the runner, the greater the energy loss from port to turbo, and thus the slower spooling the snail is going to be. I've seen remote mounted td04's that could hardly spool at all.

I guess gas speed and temp is extremely important in the runners, and you might speculate thats behind why mitsubishi makes there manifolds as short as they all do seem to be.

Cheers,

Ben.

Gowf
30-01-2008, 07:49 PM
I've had a rethink i started making an airfilter using existing box having done away with maf sensor, but i just kidding mysel. what i need is 2 seperate cones feeding the turbo's, once i figure a way of making a suitable connection to the front turbo. Someone must of been pissing themselves laughing when they designed it. How awkward can they make access to these things. I wont need the intake track now ,but thanks for baring me in mind. Who's is the civic is it the one you have been trying to connect the me2 to.


Its a friend of mine's rally car. Doing the scottish championship this year with it in the s16 class. Aiming for 240/250bhp out of it. Not bad for a little NA 1.6! Proof will be this weekend.

As for manifolds..... I am more than convinced that when dealing with turbo manifolds of such short length, a few mm either way out on any of pipes will not make any difference. In the naturaly aspirated world, as people have said, with back pressure being of such importance to produce a 'backwards' pulse, without equal length manifolds the pulses would occur at uneven intervals thus reducing the velocity of the exhaust gas. However, because all the exhaust gasses have to do in this case is spool a turbine, a slight inequality in the frequency of the pulse will not make a difference, at such a short distance.

At the end of the day, the proof will be in the pudding

orionn2o
31-01-2008, 12:33 AM
mmmm..... pudding...

ANTHONY
31-01-2008, 12:35 AM
mmmm..... pudding...dont talk about Garath's belly like that

Gowf
04-02-2008, 11:07 PM
dont talk about Garath's belly like that


I will have you know that this fine figure that i show off doesnt just come from doing a bit of excercise you know! It takes years of training in a pub to look this good!

bradc
05-02-2008, 08:07 AM
oi, less posting, more pics and results :)

Gowf
03-03-2008, 12:36 PM
Right, nearly there will say more later on this week but i thought id give you a laugh. When i was attempting to fit the downpipes that my matey boy had made (i use this term loosely) i relised that in his infinite wisdom he'd fitted them to the turbos then welded the rest of the pipework in place. Sounds ok, until you try and fit the bloody things as they just dont. These were only going to be a stopgap anyway as there looked a bit, well very, crap when i had a gander under the car

So with a few choice words (i know totaly out of character you say) i give up and decide to modify these myself inorder to get them to fit. This is when i realised just how much of a complete cock the bloke is. My 2.5"downpipes were infact 2". He'd tried to use the standard GTO precats, with success on the front, but clearly when the precat comes out at 2" he thought that'l do. What is the point in a 3" straight through system if your so resticted by this pile of ****.
Anyway, car back on trailer last week and up to lincoln for a bloke there to do sort out this absolute abomination. 6hours later i have the finished product and im more than happy with it.

The pic shows Rodger the cockster's attempt above with the finished one below. They are different length's because roger's attempt had something resembling 'mr floppy' on the end of the 3"....aparently that was a flexi, i thought floppy.

Anyway rant over, back to finishing it off

zentac
03-03-2008, 02:49 PM
Right, nearly there will say more later on this week but i thought id give you a laugh. When i was attempting to fit the downpipes that my matey boy had made (i use this term loosely) i relised that in his infinite wisdom he'd fitted them to the turbos then welded the rest of the pipework in place. Sounds ok, until you try and fit the bloody things as they just dont. These were only going to be a stopgap anyway as there looked a bit, well very, crap when i had a gander under the car

So with a few choice words (i know totaly out of character you say) i give up and decide to modify these myself inorder to get them to fit. This is when i realised just how much of a complete cock the bloke is. My 2.5"downpipes were infact 2". He'd tried to use the standard GTO precats, with success on the front, but clearly when the precat comes out at 2" he thought that'l do. What is the point in a 3" straight through system if your so resticted by this pile of ****.
Anyway, car back on trailer last week and up to lincoln for a bloke there to do sort out this absolute abomination. 6hours later i have the finished product and im more than happy with it.

The pic shows Rodger the cockster's attempt above with the finished one below. They are different length's because roger's attempt had something resembling 'mr floppy' on the end of the 3"....aparently that was a flexi, i thought floppy.

Anyway rant over, back to finishing it off

Who did you use in Lincoln? probably the sam guy I did as he is only 3 miles away from my unit ;)

Nick Mann
03-03-2008, 10:22 PM
More to the point, which one of you will have a working car first? :P

Either would be good! Both would be better....

Looking forward to the mpeg/avi file at the end of the week, Gowf!

zentac
03-03-2008, 10:38 PM
More to the point, which one of you will have a working car first? :P

Its not a race, I would rather see them both done correctly and not break anytime in the near future.

I should hopefully be starting mine this weekend, if all goes to plan (which it never does!)

Gowf
04-03-2008, 01:06 AM
Its not a race, I would rather see them both done correctly and not break anytime in the near future.

I should hopefully be starting mine this weekend, if all goes to plan (which it never does!)

Correctly? is that with bodge tape and cable ties? if not then there's no hope for me, but then that is the rallying way!

bradc
04-03-2008, 05:08 AM
it is with a nice kiwi made Autronic map, thats one thing I do know!

Gowf
04-03-2008, 12:25 PM
It starts, you have no idea how happy i am..... need to go and get a gasket for the exhaust and then i can hear it properly!

Does that mean i win the non-race to the finish? or do i need to get a timeslip for you?

Wodjno
04-03-2008, 12:28 PM
It starts, you have no idea how happy i am..... need to go and get a gasket for the exhaust and then i can hear it properly!

Does that mean i win the non-race to the finish? or do i need to get a timeslip for you?

Timeslip please and Soundbite :inquisiti

bradc
04-03-2008, 06:20 PM
I agree with Wodj :)

Gowf
04-03-2008, 06:48 PM
Well thats all the oil and fuel leaks sorted out.... just the EGT gauges, fan wiring, fuel pump wiring, mapping left to do. I wont be getting the new rear section of exhaust for a couple of weeks, so will have to wait until then.... unless you want a sound clip without an exhaust?

psbarham
04-03-2008, 07:34 PM
nice one mate, i bet your well chuffed now


unless you want a sound clip without an exhaust?

of course we do

ANTHONY
04-03-2008, 07:41 PM
do you think you will be ready for japfest?

Gowf
04-03-2008, 08:52 PM
do you think you will be ready for japfest?


Yeah, shouldnt be an issue. Cant work on it after tomorrow because ive a friend coming to stay, but should be mapping it by middle of next week hopefully

White Lightning
04-03-2008, 11:01 PM
Great news Gowf ... where's the pics? :D

zentac
05-03-2008, 03:18 PM
power graph would be better ;)

Gowf
05-03-2008, 06:18 PM
well work stops on it now as there's some serious drinking to be done, but should resume sunday/monday. Should get it MOT'd and mapped next week, but as soon as it is the graphs will be up.

Its amazing how many things you thought you had tightend when you fitted them 7months ago!

Crickle
06-03-2008, 04:11 PM
Don't you miss the skyline Gowf?

Paul C
09-03-2008, 07:03 PM
gowf is the car in scotland?I'm working in edingburgh and wouldn't mind seeing the final project.knowing my look it wont be

Nutter_John
09-03-2008, 07:13 PM
Sorry Paul tis down in Hatfield , and It looks very nice :P

ANTHONY
09-03-2008, 09:59 PM
Sorry Paul tis down in Hatfield , and It looks very nice :Pso why did you not get some photos

Nutter_John
09-03-2008, 10:40 PM
cos it was too dark , did offer to video it for Gowf but he got it running before i could get down

Gowf
10-03-2008, 03:48 AM
I will get it sorted and up on here, but i had to take a few days leave of sobriety but im back on it tomorrow, so once its all tidied up a bit and hopefully MOT'd i can take some video. Gutted that i wont have the new back box for a few weeks though

Gowf
10-03-2008, 03:52 AM
Don't you miss the skyline Gowf?

Thats a harsh comment that almost makes me want to cry... Dont want to talk about it now as its probably ended up in a ditch.

Always worrying when the bloke who buys it was driving a 1.6 astra and has never driven either a turbo or rwd car, especialy when his parting words were 'is it easy to crash?'

RIP skyline you will be sorely missed:bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:

Paul C
20-03-2008, 07:24 PM
Hows it going? any updates

ANTHONY
20-03-2008, 07:50 PM
heron alert

Gowf
24-03-2008, 04:51 PM
Managed to get the car an MOT today..... Passed without a problem! Just got to finish off the cold air box, redo a small section of the front manifold (yes, dont ask) then its time to map. So hopefuly by next week it should be all good, although using nearly 1/2 a tank of fuel to do 42miles is a bit of a joke!!!

ANTHONY
24-03-2008, 05:28 PM
so should be all set for japfest then

Nick Mann
24-03-2008, 06:19 PM
Shperlendid!

It's gonna be good! :D :thumbsup:

Gowf
24-03-2008, 08:30 PM
Shperlendid!

It's gonna be good! :D :thumbsup:


Well as confucius hartley would say, the strongest steel is made in the hottest fire!
Or is that, confidence preceeds any fall......

We'l just have to wait and see what happens.:afro:

zentac
27-03-2008, 10:46 AM
Finally got the FTO started on Wednesday before I jetted off to nurburgh. Back to working on it again this weekend :D

Latest picks can be seen here http://www.mitsubishi-fto.net (http://www.mitsubishi-fto.net/cgi-bin/album.pl?album=fto/2008-02-Engine_Rebuild;photo_height=500)

Eurospec
27-03-2008, 09:45 PM
Well as confucius hartley would say, the strongest steel is made in the hottest fire!
Or is that, confidence preceeds any fall......

We'l just have to wait and see what happens.:afro:

I say both, and lots of other things i read in fortune-favours-the-brave cookies!

Strap its legs up mate, i told charlie to get extra insurance!:afro:

Cheers,

Ben.

Gowf
27-03-2008, 10:54 PM
I say both, and lots of other things i read in fortune-favours-the-brave cookies!

Strap its legs up mate, i told charlie to get extra insurance!:afro:

Cheers,

Ben.


Are we going to try and make his new place look like his old one with some interesting wall decoration?/wall (couldnt find a smily with a conrod in it!!)

Gowf
03-04-2008, 03:18 PM
Well so carries on my tale of woe.
All was working fine, it starts, it stops. Only problem is that the front manifold is running far too hot due to a major restiction where the 3 pipes collect. A bodge has been tried to get the temp down a bit but its still not cold enough, so today i visited Hayward and Scott. They can do it no problem at all for the princely sum of £600, taking the entire system to £2260. As you can guess im not overly happy about it. I can run it on the road at the moment just not going too mental with the right foot.
On a brighter note, its now got the new backbox on it which sounds amazing although a little on the loud side.

Thing is i now have a dilema....Its booked in at H&S on the 14th May for a week. So do i move it to the week after and drive the car down to japfest but not go on track, or leave it as it is and get a lift down with Matt?

So near but so far!!! Rodger has a lot to answer for!

WildCards
03-04-2008, 03:50 PM
I assume H&S can't do it before then?

I'd say leave as is, unveil it proper when it's all finished and your happy with it, no half measures, you'll just be standing at JF 'wishing' it was done and you could take it on track otherwise.

Gowf
03-04-2008, 05:53 PM
I assume H&S can't do it before then?

I'd say leave as is, unveil it proper when it's all finished and your happy with it, no half measures, you'll just be standing at JF 'wishing' it was done and you could take it on track otherwise.

Booked solid for 6weeks. I'd kinda thought that aswell, there is no point in attempting to show something to people that's still untested and for all intents and purposes still in bits. What i will say though, it goes bloody well at 24psi!

zentac
04-04-2008, 07:51 AM
what about the guy in lincoln you used for the downpipes? (or my guy in lincoln if its a different one)

Gowf
06-04-2008, 05:37 PM
what about the guy in lincoln you used for the downpipes? (or my guy in lincoln if its a different one)


That was my first port of call. Unfortunately he wanted nothing to do with building a new one. He modified the existing one to try and get the temps down a bit but just didnt work, still too much of a restiction at the collector.
Nevermind though, its booked in so it gives me time to finish(well start) the forged rebuild

Paul C
02-05-2008, 06:20 PM
gowf its been a while any updates?

Gowf
09-05-2008, 01:33 PM
gowf its been a while any updates?


Nothing to really rant about as of yet. Give it a few weeks as it should be running properly then

ANTHONY
09-05-2008, 08:43 PM
Nothing to really rant about as of yet. Give it a few weeks as it should be running properly thenmake that less than a week and bring it to japfest, get you finger out

Gowf
29-05-2008, 04:01 PM
Just curious, Does anyone know what the power record is for a non forged engine? Not that ive been to the rollers today..............

Wodjno
29-05-2008, 04:03 PM
Just curious, Does anyone know what the power record is for a non forged engine? Not that ive been to the rollers today..............

Think it's possibly around 400bhp ?

Kieran
29-05-2008, 04:27 PM
Just curious, Does anyone know what the power record is for a non forged engine? Not that ive been to the rollers today..............

Highest Disclosed output was 333bhp as I recall? There were others who claimed more but I don't know if any of them have a dyno sheet to back this up?

Wodjno
29-05-2008, 04:30 PM
Are we talking UK only ?

Kieran
29-05-2008, 04:33 PM
Are we talking UK only ?

Oooh, that's a point!

Gowf
29-05-2008, 07:35 PM
Just in general really....

Well 397.4(315.6 ATW)BHP with 418LbFt @ 1.2bar on road fuel aint too bad is it?

peter thomson
29-05-2008, 07:39 PM
Not bad at all. well done

bradc
29-05-2008, 08:12 PM
I've got 227.8kw ATW on stock internals and stock turbos, and you've all seen my graph's.

This is 235.4kw ATW, so a little bit better than me :)

psbarham
29-05-2008, 08:15 PM
hey nice one mate, i bet that feels awesome now:pimp2: i shall tell postman pat (martin) the figures, i know he was rather impressed with the work so far

Nutter_John
29-05-2008, 08:17 PM
Just in general really....

Well 397.4(315.6 ATW)BHP with 418LbFt @ 1.2bar on road fuel aint too bad is it?

Desert Eagle or Replica , you decide


Well done Dude , makes all the hard work worthwhile

Gowf
29-05-2008, 08:52 PM
Dont have a scanner, so some phone pics will have to do.....Aparantly i dont have a Mitsi legnum VR4!

Gowf
29-05-2008, 08:54 PM
I've got 227.8kw ATW on stock internals and stock turbos, and you've all seen my graph's.

This is 235.4kw ATW, so a little bit better than me :)


What boost are you running?

psbarham
29-05-2008, 09:01 PM
Aparantly i dont have a Mitsi legnum VR4!

FPMSL

Nutter_John
29-05-2008, 09:04 PM
Nice graphs SWOC , Brad can you post up your graphs so we can compare

Wodjno
29-05-2008, 09:08 PM
Nice graphs SWOC , Brad can you post up your graphs so we can compare

The search button is a wonderful thing you know John :D /pan /pan /pan /pan /pan /pan /pan /pan


http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29911&highlight=dyno

Nutter_John
29-05-2008, 09:09 PM
Thanks Glen never knew there was a search feature on here :p

Eurospec
29-05-2008, 09:14 PM
Nice numbers eh?!

Next time we'll wind up the boost a bit more and break the 400, faling that, a rod!

Cheers,

Ben.

Nutter_John
29-05-2008, 09:23 PM
So your making 375 at the fly from 1.1 bar on stock fuel

Kieran
29-05-2008, 10:03 PM
Just in general really....

Well 397.4(315.6 ATW)BHP with 418LbFt @ 1.2bar on road fuel aint too bad is it?


Certainly isn't! There's more to come from there though, surely?

Also.... Interesting to see that your torque figure is very high too.... Hope your clutch is up to the challenge!:afro:

I can't wait for Japshow now!:afro:

SGHOM
29-05-2008, 10:05 PM
Cometh the hour.... cometh the man ?? I certainly hope so :afro: /rally

Kieran
29-05-2008, 10:07 PM
Cometh the hour.... cometh the man ?? I certainly hope so :afro: /rally

You coming to Japshow to see it then? There's quite a few staying in the hotel!:afro:

SGHOM
29-05-2008, 10:10 PM
possibly...... but it will be just for the sunday. :happy:

Gowf
29-05-2008, 10:11 PM
Certainly isn't! There's more to come from there though, surely?

Also.... Interesting to see that your torque figure is very high too.... Hope your clutch is up to the challenge!:afro:

I can't wait for Japshow now!:afro:


Clutch is fine for the moment...Still got a bit of timing to sort out before japshow, but the other engine and tubs should be in in the not too distant future.

Kieran
29-05-2008, 10:14 PM
Clutch is fine for the moment...Still got a bit of timing to sort out before japshow, but the other engine and tubs should be in in the not too distant future.

Oh! You're still on the TD03s then?

Gowf
29-05-2008, 10:18 PM
Oh! You're still on the TD03s then?

Nope, Td04 13G's at the moment, Just going a little bigger

Kieran
29-05-2008, 10:21 PM
Nope, Td04 13G's at the moment, Just going a little bigger

Oh Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight!! Sorry, I'm on the same page now! /pan

White Lightning
29-05-2008, 11:02 PM
Great figures Gareth ... are you planning to run on the Saturday, Sunday or both at Japshow? Might have to pop along to see this one in action /yes

orionn2o
30-05-2008, 08:12 AM
Good figures boyo, question is "are you man enough to drive it now that its got more than girls power!?"

Gowf
30-05-2008, 08:22 AM
I was thinking about just taking it to bits again......not used to having it on the road in working order!

zentac
30-05-2008, 08:34 AM
nice results, I think thats the highest recorded figure. I had 287 at the hubs at 0.8bar (Thors dyno chassis) I upped the boost to 1.2 but never dyno'd it. I then added 100bhp nos and it lasted a year before a few rods snapped. So you should be able to push 400.

mpau009
30-05-2008, 08:43 AM
Just in general really....

Well 397.4(315.6 ATW)BHP with 418LbFt @ 1.2bar on road fuel aint too bad is it?

Bad @$$!

Need some in car footage please:scholar:

Interesting that your numbers and brads arent light years apart, do you think you would have been struggling to get there with the stock injectors? You ended up going with the Sard 530cc's right?

Gowf
30-05-2008, 09:15 AM
No way that id have got there with stock injectors without some form of fuel cut defender, which i dont want to use. Im using RC 550's for a GTO.

Also we were struggling to get past the 397mark with 1.2bar. Having to pull a lot of timing to stop the knock. How brad has managed this with less boost and less cfm i dont know

bradc
30-05-2008, 09:23 AM
Your car reaches 0.5bar at about 2750rpm, mine is at 2250rpm

I'm at 1 bar at 3000rpm, your car is just before 3500rpm.

We can therefore conclude that TD04's spool 500rpm slower than the stock TD03's

:D

bradc
30-05-2008, 09:31 AM
Gareth - perhaps due to my Autronic?

My boost drops off at higher rpm too, I'm at 1bar at 5250rpm and it just drops down from there!

It might have something to do with my intake piping or exhaust?

Gowf
30-05-2008, 09:31 AM
Your car reaches 0.5bar at about 2750rpm, mine is at 2250rpm

I'm at 1 bar at 3000rpm, your car is just before 3500rpm.

We can therefore conclude that TD04's spool 500rpm slower than the stock TD03's

:D


True, but if you look at the tail off, i have none!!:afro:

matt25649
30-05-2008, 10:00 AM
I'd put a fair bit of difference down to the autronic ecu

phosty
30-05-2008, 10:01 AM
Have you any photos of the new H&S manifolds you got made up to replace the ones that were getting too hot?

Turbo_Steve
12-08-2008, 11:32 AM
ECU will make a huge difference to spool charecteristics

Paul C
22-09-2008, 04:01 PM
Gowf whilst your online any updates, or pictures of the engine bay?