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Spirit
11-02-2004, 09:13 PM
ok its on eBay - but this is the write up:

1997 Mitsubishi Legnum VR4 (Galant) Twin Turbo,One owner, Japanese Import, Manual, AYC 4 Wheel drive same 4 wheel drive system as Lancer,AC,EW,EM, Alloys,No Music fitted 86,000km, around 53,000 miles. Very fast car Evolution performance.You are bidding to buy not to view people with no feed back please e-mail before bidding your bids will be removed, car can be viewed at west Auckland county Durham 10 miles from Darlington. A classic MK1 or MK2 Escort PX would be considered no other cars please.I reserve the right to cancel auction as the car is advertised else where.

Cost - currently £3600 (but reserve not met) or £5800 Buy It Now !!!!

Here's the thread : http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2459034376&category=18230

Nick Mann
11-02-2004, 09:56 PM
Anyone see what the sticker price is?

Gotta be a good buy for anyone. (Kieran....?) ;)

Spirit
11-02-2004, 10:02 PM
Anyone see what the sticker price is?




Looks like £7595 to me

Nick Mann
11-02-2004, 10:15 PM
That was as close as I could get, but wasn't sure.

Finishes on sat. I wonder what it'll go for?

enigma
11-02-2004, 11:53 PM
Go on Kieran trade up that escort!!!! ;)

zedy1
12-02-2004, 12:04 AM
cheap car cheap enough to break

engine £1200.00
turbos £500.00

thats nearly £2k :-D

Kieran
12-02-2004, 08:39 AM
Go on Kieran trade up that escort!!!! ;)

My Escort's a Mk3, not a Mk1 or 2....:undecided

Cheap though! :undecided

the_boy
12-02-2004, 10:15 AM
That looks like Pennine Way Garage

http://www.penninewaygarage.com

It was up for sale not too long ago for £8995 but I think the guy just wants to get rid now, as it's been on the lot for quite some time.

Cheap price mind you, wonder if it still comes with the 3 month warranty for that buy it now price??

Spirit
12-02-2004, 10:19 AM
Reckon if you added £200 to it and made it £6k he could do a proper 6 month warranty with it ? Worth asking ;)

pjjohnson
12-02-2004, 12:55 PM
It is Pennine Way garage - I went for a test drive in it before Xmas. Sticker price originally £8995, then down to £7995.

It has had a boost controller fitted, a blitz one hidden in the flap on the RHS of the dash - came as a bit of a surprise to the salesman when I found it.

Didn't buy it at the time because of the uncertain history, and on the test drive I had a problem with the engine starting to race on high boost at low revs, about 3500 rpm in 4th. Seemed like a slipping clutch, but they said they couldn't find a problem.

I didn't let on I'd already got one either, bit sneaky I know. Not too a bad a risk £5k though.

the_boy
12-02-2004, 01:13 PM
At 53, 000 miles there's a lot of questions you would need to ask.

Really you would need to see the car before you bought it, unless that is you could get it for 4 K :-D

Not sure if I could ever buy a car from eBAY, too risky IMHO

Spirit
12-02-2004, 01:56 PM
It has had a boost controller fitted, a blitz one hidden in the flap on the RHS of the dash - came as a bit of a surprise to the salesman when I found it.


Just where mine is fitted :-D

haydar
12-02-2004, 06:30 PM
At 53K miles it's about due for it Cambelt service, around £700.

PJJohnson, did you find the manual significantly faster than our tips? Has it persuaded you into buying a manual or are you now content with the tips?

pjjohnson
12-02-2004, 08:06 PM
Haydar - it was difficult to tell if it was faster, slower or the same. Firstly the speedo was still in KMs, secondly mine runs higher boost, and I don't know what boost it was running, so direct comparison hard and thirdly the exhaust and induction were std so it sounded quieter which somehow made it seem slower. Then of course the slipping clutch or whatever it was.

Content with auto - no - always wanted a manual, they must be faster, musn't they ?

Simon
13-02-2004, 12:17 AM
theres not alot in their 0-60 times....we test drove a couple of manuals..one of those had a slipping clutch (£800 replacement) ....you do get a push in your back inbetween gears in a manual and the sense of speed and acceleration is more than an auto.......problem having such a smooth accelerating (auto) car is suppose!.

haydar
13-02-2004, 12:33 AM
I agree that the manual 'must' be faster, but I'm surprised that there isn't a more obvious difference! Auto's eat up torque through the torque convertor, which means the manual should be more accelerative.

Also what was the actual driving like? Is it a smooth gear change? Is the gear change motion sporty and short?

pjjohnson
13-02-2004, 10:10 AM
There was nothing special about the gear change either way, fairly short, fairly precise, but I didn't drive it for long. And I had the salesman sitting next to me. When the slipping occured I sort of 'gave up' on the test. I was keen to feel an improvement in performance but to be honest, I didn't. But there again I run higher boost.

I don't think I can change down in a manual as quick as the auto does it in tip mode, but my upchanges, particularly into and from 3rd seem to take an age.
Also made me appreciate how much the auto box does for you when it allows the engine revs to rise into the torque zone but holds the higher gear.

Nevertheless I'm 90% certain, that if there is a next one for me it will be a manual.

Roadrunner
13-02-2004, 10:50 AM
IMHO, more frequent changes of the auto transmission fluid are required than Mitsubishi's recommendation of every 45,000 miles/60 months. I had mine changed yesterday and noticed an immediate improvement. Auto trans specialist said she recommends replacement every 24,000 miles/24 months.

As far as manual vs automatic goes, manual will only be quicker if you're prepared to be brutal with the clutch. However, that tends not to go down well in the high street (who does 0-60s anyway in daily motoring? 0-30 or 40 is what counts! ;) ) and an auto will always do that with less drama.

[flame suit on] :D

brian

enigma
13-02-2004, 11:04 AM
who does 0-60s anyway in daily motoring?

Me Me Me :boing3: :hurrah: :screwu: :wavey:

Spirit
13-02-2004, 11:26 AM
I agree with you Brian on the ATF changes - seems odd that it's such a long time considering things like AYC are only 4.5k and the stress the gearbox must get put under. I have done approx 8k since my last change and intend to do another after Japfest for sure.

pjjohnson
13-02-2004, 11:31 AM
Its not so much the 0-60, which is I agree with Mr 7 is pretty good and drama free in the auto, for me its the 2nd to 3rd at about 60 mph and 3rd to 4th at about 90 mph when I am losing time on the changes.

I be interested to know if the gear ratios are the same on the auto and manual - IMHO there is too big a gap between 3rd and 4th on the auto.

Anyway, enough typing, my car shas been off the road for nearly five months, and I only got it back yesterday so I need to do some 0-100's to refresh my memory.

Spirit
13-02-2004, 11:36 AM
Have fun PJ - that feel of a VR4 after such a big gap will be like a baby with a new toy :D

Spirit
13-02-2004, 11:40 AM
Current bid is now £3800 and reserve still not met - only 1 day to go to

the_boy
14-02-2004, 01:33 PM
That auction was a joke, especially if you check the auction history.

At one point two seperate users with no bid history, out bid each other at least a couple of times. 1 bidder outbid himself 3 times in a row.

Do they think ebayers are competely dumb??

Makes the car even more suspect :shifty:

Nick Mann
14-02-2004, 08:04 PM
Not sure how it works, but if the high bidder just put a maximum bid in, would it show every time someone put a bid in higher than current but lower than his max? I ask because I'm sure the highest bidder was in the lead at one point with £3600. But that doesn't appear on the history?

Spirit
14-02-2004, 10:30 PM
Yes I have had it before where I have bid above the current but below the top bid so it says "You have been outbid" or something - then if you bid again two or three times they ALL show as bids in the history for that person so does not mean it's a fiddle - but you never know

haydar
14-02-2004, 11:16 PM
Looks like it's back on ebay again.

Dan_G
04-04-2004, 11:48 PM
OH ERR..... this is the car I was looking at buying........ :(

hmm.... am I gald I saw this thread...

Im currently getting an AA inspection done on the car, as Im up in Aberdeen...... hopefully this should pick up any problems ? No?....

......if the clutch is neading replaced I have no problems tackling this myself (the car should be at a much reduced cost mind) although the 250mile trip would be interesting. The thing that annoys me is that when I spoke to the chap at the garage he did'nt mention anything... he said it was a clean car and drove well.

I asked about Paperwork and his exact words where "No, unless theres any in the glovebox" he also said he did'nt know how to use a computer.... as I wanted some digi photos of it emailing.....

Hmm I saw it advertised for £6,995....

Oh well.... I think I need to sleep on this one...... Maybe £200 down the drain for the AA inspection though?..... why cant car salesmen just be honest? it was solve lots of problems.

What are your thoughts? Peter? was the car in ok condition apart from the clutch?

Im not as excited as I was :grrr:

ritch_w
05-04-2004, 08:23 AM
IMHO, more frequent changes of the auto transmission fluid are required than Mitsubishi's recommendation of every 45,000 miles/60 months. I had mine changed yesterday and noticed an immediate improvement. Auto trans specialist said she recommends replacement every 24,000 miles/24 months. brian


Brian where did you get the trans fluid changed & what did it cost?

cheers

Ritch

Roadrunner
05-04-2004, 08:43 AM
ritch,

Auto trans fluid was changed by my local Mitsubishi dealer - they use Castrol TQ Dexron III, about 9 litres IIRC. Don't have the invoice to hand, but I recall I was around £180 for the interim service including this (and I know they charge me something like £10/litre for the fully-synthetic oil for the engine :eek: ) so the fluid change couldn't have been too dear. If I remember :rolleyes: I'll check the invoice and post back here with the accurate cost.

Brian

Roadrunner
05-04-2004, 11:57 PM
OK, here's the cost of the auto trans fluid change:

£39.44 - 8x litres of Dexron 3 @ £4.93/ltr
£33.75 - Labour (assuming 1 hour @ £33.75/hr)
£12.81 - The dreaded VAT :(
£86.00 - TOTAL

Brian

zedy1
06-04-2004, 12:08 AM
Brian did you not get the atf oil filter changed @£23.00 approx? my dealers charged me £9 per ltr for the oil :sad3:

Roadrunner
06-04-2004, 06:22 PM
No mention of the ATF filter on the invoice, zedy. There's a possibility they don't know it exists ;) :rolleyes: I'll ask them the next time it's in for a service. Regarding the fluid cost, it seems to me that dealers make up their own prices. As you've seen, you seem to be paying nearly double what I do for ATF, but I know that others pay less than the £10/ltr :eek: I pay for fully synthetic engine oil :(

Brian

pjjohnson
07-04-2004, 03:42 PM
Dan G I've sent you a PM

Dan_G
08-04-2004, 08:13 AM
Thanks for that, :thumbsup: very helpful.

Dan

Dan_G
09-04-2004, 05:28 PM
UPDATE:

AA inspection revealed the clutch is in fact slipping, and the following points where also highlighted in the inspection:-

Front wings and rear left quater panel shows signs of a respray.
Deep scratch in passenger front door & scuffing on rear bumper.
Rear right electric window not working
Fold away mirror on drivers side not working
Exhaust may only have 6 months left.
Small dents on rear of chassis(may have happened if car bottomed out on a kerb, perhaps)
Registration documents say the car is silver.
AA guy had a sneeky suspicion one or two of the wheelbearings might be on there way out.

and plus the fact there is no service history, soo an immediate £700 service + cambelt, is needed. :sick:

I did still show interest in the car and pointed out it was on ebay and said i wanted the car for neer the buy it now price with the clutch fitted, not sure they where impressed, but i was all set to buy the car without it fitted, but after i phoned them every time before they did'nt phone back so i could'nt be bother labouring it.

The chaps at Pennine Way havent seemed keen to sell me the car from the start :undecided from not sending me any pics of it to keeping the cars faults a secret, god only knows why, whats the worst that could happen? sell a car perhaps? :p needless to say i dont want it anymore.

Thanks for all your help guys.. but one things for sure..........I still want a Legnum Vr4 ;)

Dan

Nick Mann
09-04-2004, 06:04 PM
Sorry to hear this one didn't work out. I'm sure you'll find one that fits the bill. Ever thought of a 2001 ralliart supplied with FSH and a bit of warranty left? ;)

Good luck in your continuing search....

Roadrunner
10-04-2004, 12:48 AM
Yep, walk away from this one. There are enough good ones out there, if you've got the time to be patient. :)

Brian