who's up for 1000 horses ??

[SGHOM]

I think this has been mentioned on another thread, but damned If I can find it !!
who's up for getting hold of either a VR4, or a normally aspirated 2.5 V6 CHEAP !!! & getting the most we can out of it ???
The reason I mention NA is that we could pick one of those up much cheaper than & turbo'd one ?? & If we're going for maximum power the engine can take, then, obviously It will mean the removal of all of the internal parts, & completely rebuilding from scratch etc. including the turbo's !!
I might be wrong, but I think It's a good idea, I'm sure we could pick up a sorry example for a knock down price, & then spend a couple of years producing the ultimate VR4 ???
£3K between say 10 of us, & then all the time in the world to produce a VR4 to frighten the world !!! :$ :$
Or am I talking bollox ??


sorry...............been drinking !!

[SGHOM]

Par example !! £3K !!! with a bit of bartering !!

[enigma]

I am game!

There are a few ownership and storage problems........but I am sure someone has some space!

[SGHOM]

would a cheap N/A one do for starters Dave ??

[enigma]

You are never really going to develop huge power from a 2.5l N/A motor......not without spending a significant amount!

You only need to look at F1 teams, they have N/A 3litre engines and can only squeeze 7-800HP out of them for less than 200 miles.

However, 20 years ago they were getting 12-1500HP from a 1.5l turbo motor.

POWER! (http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=66&h=&t=68935)

Case closed???

[Brind]

My cousin in the states used to work for this guy that was heavily into Formula 3000? he had his own team etc and the cars he had only had 1.6 litre engines.. and ffgvking hell didn't they go! don't remember any specifics though other than they had to be rebuilt more times than raced. :-D

Anyway.. who's gonna pay all the vets bills and all the food for all these horses? :$

[SGHOM]

You are never really going to develop huge power from a 2.5l N/A motor......not without spending a significant amount!

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Case closed???
So you reckon there's no point in starting off with a N/A motor then ??? not even the standard 2.5 V6 24 valve block, ripping it apart, upgrading to the hilt, & then fitting the biggest turbo's the engine will take ?? mmmm !!

[Spirit]

Sounds great in theory but overcoming the ownership/storage etc details will be the hardest part. Guess at the moment the most active area is around the Nottingham to Manchester area so if you could get enough of you involved up there then its a viable proposal. I would love to be involved but being so far away I would never get chance to be involved - I have limited knowledge and would love an opportunity like this to learn more about the internal workings of our engines.

Hope this becomes reality one day guys ;)

[Mante]

I would love to be involved but being so far away I would never get chance to be involved -

You are way closer then I am lol

I do have a spare 6a13tt just waiting to be rebuilt but my time frame is alittle slower then many of you. Im still getting over the joy's of the AWD galant world :-D

I agree totally with building as a group, make it base learning process then engine dyno the motor. That way you know what motor will do before it hits the awd trans, from there duplicating the package to whomever wants to get the same power!

I personally think that starting with a n/a 6a13 should be no problem since it will be gutted and used as a host. The block and heads of the n/a version and FI version are the same right? If so then save some money and get the n/a version!

[enigma]

The problem with getting a N/A one are many.....first off, no 4WD! Also the N/A will run up near 10:1 compression while the turbo will be much lower.......to reduce compression ratio is a pain in the bum! The turbo car will also have all the ancilliary brackets and fittings (oil lines etc).

Just my opinion obviously, but if you could get a VR4 for £2-3K then you would be much further on!

Perhaps we should get some collective ideas together for what we would like to see?

I'll start with a full stripped out interior to save lots of weight! Remove front and rear seats, headlining, dashboard, heater, door cards, electric window mechanism, carpets........err hold on hasn't Simon already done this??!! :D

[SGHOM]

Time to start looking around for the remains of a VR4 me thinks ?? :-D

[Kieran]

Related to another post, you sometimes see VR-4s on Bonsai Cars that have been in an accident and repaired, or are just in rough condition. They're cheap and would be suitable for a project? - Would you like me to post details if any crop up, or have you lot all registered now??

[colVR4]

I agree, great club project. Especially as photos could be taken at each stage and maybe even a 'halfords' type strip and build guide put together eventually. I know little about what is involved in playing around with the insides of my cars and I am always worried about breaking something expensive, so this would be great.

Go for it!!!

[Mante]

Is this a dead subject already?

The point of 2.5 vs 2.5T is closed, BDA made the point about all the lines already being there so 6a13tt it is. what is the next hurdle?

[enigma]

The next hurdle is finding one cheap enough to play with! You have a spare engine right? As there are lots of tuning places in the USA can you find out about a set of forged pistons and upgraded rods? Lots of US companies do custom build stuff for not much money.

This would be a start!

I think bigger turbos would be a good idea as well, but this is not a problem as I can make manifolds to suit fairly cheaply and easily! ;)

[Mante]

My plans for the spare Vr4/6a13tt, if someone has a better Idea by all means this is the time to let me know :)

1: Finish replacing the clutch, 70% done waiting for the "pro" to assist in dropping the driveshaft and trans itself. Front end is completely apart, no axles, intake piping etc etc. Send old clutch disk, clutch cover, main bearing etc to Act (http://www.advancedclutch.com/) just to see what they have available

2: The vr4 is going back in the body shop for the few dents/dings thats left over. I wouldnt mind the dents and primers but its on the drivers side and i hate looking at it :D

3: Pull the spare 6a13tt out of the Us galant. The heads will be sent for PnP (3angle job??? I think thats what its called) get there recommendation for valve stems, springs etc.

4: Send a sample rod/piston and probrably the crank too out to JePistons (http://www.jepistons.com/) or Crower (http://crower.com/) depending on which company I get the most information out of. Still debating on keeping it 2.5L or try to get to or as close to 3L as possible. The car will still have to be reliable!

5: Have Swift racing (http://swiftracing.com/) or my favorite shop Tempest Racing (http://tempestracing.com/) make custom manifolds for the td05 turbo trim, also get there recommendation on what turbo to get. At Swift they love the Turbonetics® T04 Tangential Divided 60-1 Hi-Fi Turbo unit, where as tempest prefers a T3/T4 hybrid. They will also replace the intake piping making it 3' throughout, not forgetting about the downpipe and catback.

6: My final concern would be the drive shaft (if thats what its called) In the 3000gt/GtO they can create all sorts of power but they tend to snap drive shafts at will. That will be something I will address before putting the all new 6a13tt^2 lol back together.

That process should be finished by the end of this season and ready for the next!

[Japmetal]

Sounds like the gauntlet has been thrown down by our US contingent - can the UK team build a VR4 to top that ? :-D

[SGHOM]

Sounds like the gauntlet has been thrown down by our US contingent - can the UK team build a VR4 to top that ? :-D watch this space. :$

[zentac]

Theres a cheap 24V one on ebay at the moment.

[Mante]

Sounds like the gauntlet has been thrown down by our US contingent - can the UK team build a VR4 to top that ? :-D

Im not building up my vr4 to top anyone, thats silly to top another vr4 owner..at least it is to me. The Galant vr4 has already made several car club members in the US upgrade there cars. actually this past weekend a turbo'ed Maxima pulled 15.02 in the 1/4 lol.

Anyways I have been impressed by the US galant, then when I got my hands on the Vr4 I cant do nothing but improve on what Mitsubishi has started

[enigma]

I am happy with the performance of mine.....OK I would like another second or so......I just think it would be cool to get an unusual choice of car (ie not a skyline!) pulling 1000bhp and 9 second 1/4 miles!

[Mante]

you of all people can do it...need I remind you of your project car...??? :D Come on BDA, mix and match blocks/heads come up with a 3.8L Vr4 lol

[valmes]

Just a few points.

1) For a project car it's possible to get accident/damaged car from Japan (but with good transmition and motor) for about 150 000-250 000 yen.

2) If 8Gs in US were fitted with 6G72 (3.0) it shouldn’t be a problem to fit 6G72TT from GTO, or even 6g74(3,5) or 6g75(3,8).

3) in Vladivostok/Russia there was Legnum VR-4 (season 2003) wich run ¼ mile - 12,65 sec. on tuned 6a13 + NOS

http://www.auto.vl.ru/gtclub/pictures/life/220603/cadet05.JPG
http://www.auto.vl.ru/gtclub/pictures/life/220603/cadet04.JPG
http://www.auto.vl.ru/gtclub/pictures/life/220603/levin_user23.JPG
http://www.auto.vl.ru/gtclub/pictures/life/200403/P4202802.jpg
http://www.auto.vl.ru/gtclub/pictures/life/200403/P4202805.jpg
http://www.auto.vl.ru/gtclub/pictures/life/200403/P4200002.jpg
http://www.auto.vl.ru/gtclub/pictures/life/200403/EPSN0029.JPG
http://www.auto.vl.ru/gtclub/pictures/life/200403/EPSN0044.JPG
http://www.auto.vl.ru/gtclub/pictures/life/200403/DSCN0070.JPG
http://www.auto.vl.ru/gtclub/pictures/life/200403/P4202864.jpg
http://www.auto.vl.ru/gtclub/pictures/life/200403/P11010004.JPG
http://www.auto.vl.ru/gtclub/pictures/life/200403/P4202866.jpg

4) check out this link - http://www.rpw.com.au/Drag%20Car/D001mainpage.htm

[enigma]

12s is where I would like to be with NOS...........

150000-250000 Yen is all very well, but its expensive to ship back to the UK then the UK government take pots of money from you! We will be better sourcing a crashed VR4 in the UK for transmission parts.

I know of a few engines in need of a rebuild though! ;)

[Kieran]

watch this space. :$

Derek wasn't joking folks!...