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Mikey Jay
31-10-2008, 11:16 PM
I read in abother thread that Road Tax for the V6 Galants will be going up to £415 next year?

Is this correct?

miller
31-10-2008, 11:24 PM
Galants registered after 2002 i think

Mikey Jay
31-10-2008, 11:26 PM
So if I bought a pre 2002 car I'd be safe from the wallet crippling increase?

ANTHONY
31-10-2008, 11:28 PM
or a 96 white import

Mikey Jay
31-10-2008, 11:38 PM
Driving a 1996 car at the moment, so wanting something newer when I change cars (will be a while yet though)

Johnny_Cashed
31-10-2008, 11:56 PM
It applies to cars registered on or after 01/03/01. Galants before that are only taxed at the above 1549cc (I think around £185). This is because gerbils on LSD run the DVLA.

Davezj
01-11-2008, 10:41 AM
yep te last post is correct.

mesobitchy
01-11-2008, 11:40 AM
It applies to cars registered on or after 01/03/01. Galants before that are only taxed at the above 1549cc (I think around £185). This is because gerbils on LSD run the DVLA.

an who says old cars arnt worth much. HA!

pmsl at the gerbils bit /lol

colVR4
01-11-2008, 06:10 PM
It also only applies to cars that have a registered UK co2 level, therefore non of the VR4 qualify for the tax increases as they were not 'official' uk models, not even the ones brought in by Ralliart :)

...thats what the MOT tester told me when I had it done recently anyway!!

Davezj
01-11-2008, 07:08 PM
but uk galant will be, V6 anyway, i doubt they will have less than 225 CO2's


however i have read up and it is only 2006 and younger that will pay the £400ish if over the 225 CO2's and 2001 to 2006 will pay £220ish.

look at the DVLA TAX website

HMG1K
01-11-2008, 07:52 PM
however i have read up and it is only 2006 and younger that will pay the £400ish if over the 225 CO2's and 2001 to 2006 will pay £220ish.

look at the DVLA TAX website

Really? I hope so!

elnevio
01-11-2008, 07:55 PM
Most of the UK Galant V6s have 227 CO2s. The autos are slightly higher at ~238 CO2s.

You are close Dave about the 2006 thing. The highest band (band L) will be 226 CO2s and over for anything registered from 1 March 2001 to 28 February 2006. However, for anything registered from 1 March 2006, that band becomes 226 to 255 CO2s and their highest band (band M) is 256 CO2s and over.

Band L tax will be £415 in 2009-10, then £430 in 2010-11.

Band M tax will be £440 in 2009-10, then £455 in 2010-11.

So not really much difference.

Davezj
01-11-2008, 09:16 PM
are you saying that 2001 to 2006 will pay £220ish for greater than 225 CO2's which is the highest band for that period.

and after 2006 is how you have described it above.

which would mean all the guys and girls with galant V6 would only pay £220ish under the current tax situation.

i am just trying to clarify this for them.

there is another thread about this somewhere else and it has already been gone through.

Johnny_Cashed
01-11-2008, 11:09 PM
Davezj,

See here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/7293011.stm

The taxes apply to all cars made after 2001. One of the main concerns with this increase is that people have already bought the cars before this big increase so it's not possible for them to change their behaviour.

HMG1K
02-11-2008, 03:14 AM
Davezj,

See here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/7293011.stm

The taxes apply to all cars made after 2001. One of the main concerns with this increase is that people have already bought the cars before this big increase so it's not possible for them to change their behaviour.

Ok, so as I thought - those of us with V6s registered after 2001 will get clobbered with the full whack in band L of £415 rising to £430. While those exact same V6s (Sport and Elegance too) registered before that date will do the £200-ish price.

The whole government pricing scheme is a sham - as we know!

I read in the papers the other day that the government take something like £46 BILLION pounds a year from motorists and sprinkles back £4 billion to the road budget.

I-S
04-11-2008, 01:11 PM
Correct. All Y-reg and newer galants will come under the new tax system and liable to rates up to £400+.

To clarify:

X-reg and earlier UK galants, and ALL VR4s - £185

For Y-reg and newer, some examples:

V6 sport auto estate:
2009 £300 (K)
2010 £430 (L)

2.0 sport manual estate:
2009 £300 (K)
2010 £310 (K)

2.0 classic manual saloon:
2009 £300 (K)
2010 £310 (K)

2.5 V6 Sport manual saloon:
2009 £300 (K)
2010 £430 (L)

2.4 GDI Auto Elegance saloon:
2009 £300 (K)
2010 £310 (K)

Note the V6 moves into band K for 2009 before moving to L in 2010. This is because they were sold in band F, before band G was introduced, but they would have fallen into G had it existed. All band G vehicles move straight into L or M, but band F vehicles can not move above K for 2009. Confused? So are the DVLA...

Davezj
04-11-2008, 01:47 PM
for this current year from 13 March 2008 the cost are as follows, direct from the DVLA website. sorry but the formatting is a bit off but you get the gist.

te actual link is here.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524

Motoring The cost of vehicle tax for cars, motorcycles, light goods vehicles and trade licencesCalculate the cost of vehicle tax for your vehicle using the tables below. The tables contain the rates of vehicle tax for the different tax classes, together with tax class (TC) codes to distinguish them.

The rates shown apply to tax discs taken out from 13 March 2008.
Cars registered before 1 March 2001 (based on engine size)
Private/light goods (TC11)

Engine size (cc)
12 months rate TOP
6 months rate BOTTOM

Not over 1549
£120.00
£66.00

Over 1549
£185.00
£101.75

Cars registered on or after 1 March 2001 (based on fuel type and CO2 emissions)
The rates shown only apply to cars that have been type approved in category M1 and registered on the basis of CO2 emissions measured in grams per kilometre (g/km) driven. These details are shown on the Registration Certificate.

Petrol car (TC48) and diesel car (TC49)

Band
CO2 emission (g/km)
12 months rate TOP
6 months rate BOTTOM

A
Up to 100
Not applicable
Not applicable

B
101-120
£35.00
Not applicable

C
121-150
£120.00
£66.00

D
151-165
£145.00
£79.75

E
166-185
£170.00
£93.50

F
Over 185
£210.00
£115.50

G
Over 225 – for cars registered on or after 23/03/06
£400.00
£220.00

from the BBC link above the following is true.
2009, 2010 figures seem to be a little conservative above as the V6 will be in band L from 2009 which is £415 and £430 for 2010.

but i don't see why the DVLA have a 2006 on wards clause in there road tax priceing for this year only to get rid of it next year. may be the BBC figures are misleading, as the all the cars listed in there figures could be newer the 2006, which would make a better news storey, than saying only cars from 2006 are affected by these figures. i don't kow this but it could be the case.

can anyone confirm this. i know the BBC site has the standard message these tax changes apply to vehicles registerd from march 2001. but i am not so sure.

I-S
04-11-2008, 01:51 PM
Yes, the direct.gov site is CRAP. It only shows the current tax rates which apply until the end of march 2009. From april 2009 to march 2010 the 2009 rates I gave apply, and then the 2010 rates from april 2010.

For specific info, try here: http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/Default.aspx?deriv=18042

elnevio
04-11-2008, 01:58 PM
I also read somewhere this week that the DVLA themselves are apparently providing incorrect information to around 3 in 4 people about the road tax changes, according to a survey. Don't suppose that'll help matters much...

Davezj
04-11-2008, 02:40 PM
well which one is wrong.

as i understand it manual V6 is 226 (CO2) and auto V6 is 238 (CO2).

Parkers says

Rates effective from April 2009

Date of Registration 6 Months 12 Months Band CO2 (g/km)
8 Nov 1999 – 1 Mar 2001 £101.75 £185.00 -
1 Mar 2001 – 12 Dec 2001 £165.00 £300.00 K 238

BBC says

BAND CO2 etc
K 201-225 £300
L 226-255 £415

BBC says 2009 £415
Pakers says 2009 £300

Flip a coin and hope for the best.

I-S
04-11-2008, 03:27 PM
Neither is wrong, despite the apparent contradiction.

For 2009, there is a very little-understood "staging" in band K for vehicles that are in band F currently. For example, the auto V6 at 238g/km is in band F. However, if it had been registered later, it would have been in Band G, and vehicles in band G will go directly to band L or M (do not pass go, do not collect £200). Band F vehicles can not be grouped higher than K for 2009, regardless of ending up in L or M in 2010. This is the bit that the BBC have missed (and that the DVLA themselves are confused by).

In other words, because it was band F, the galant V6 auto will be in band K for 2009, DESPITE the CO2 output being appopriate for it to go into L, which it will do for 2010. This is shown on the parkers page where you got the info above.

Davezj
04-11-2008, 04:27 PM
but what happened to the 2006 clause?

I-S
04-11-2008, 04:44 PM
The 2006 clause is the same thing I've talked about. Band G was introduced in 2006 and any cars in band G will move to band L or band M with immediate effect.

Prior to 2006, some cars that would otherwise have fallen into band G were registered as F because that was the highest band at the time. Those registered as F will move to a maximum of K in 2009, before moving to their final band in 2010 if it is higher than K.

Other cars in F may only move to J or K because band F was such a wide band.

Davezj
04-11-2008, 05:03 PM
well that explains it.

http://www.smmtco2.co.uk/co2search2.asp

and if you want to check you CO2's stick you make and model in and it will ping out your CO2's

I-S
04-11-2008, 05:16 PM
Here's some examples, just to clear things up:

Two cars, both band F at registration:

1) Galant 2.0 Sport manual saloon. 203g/km
2) Galant 2.5 Sport V6 auto estate. 238g/km

Note that the galant 2.5 would have been in band G on CO2 output, but was registered before 2006 but after 2001. For 2008, both are still in band F at £210 for 12 months tax.

In 2009, car 1 moves to band K at £300, and that is the correct band for that car going onwards, so it remains there in 2010.

Car 2 also moves into band K in 2009, at £300, but that is below its actual CO2 band. In 2010 it finally moves into Band L at £430.

Davezj
04-11-2008, 06:00 PM
so all V6 (march 2001) on owners are screwed!

get your self a VR4 and save money.

i never thought i would be saying that.

I-S
04-11-2008, 07:35 PM
Yes... £250 difference in tax pays for a lot of petrol.

Kieran
04-11-2008, 07:50 PM
Bah, If only my Coupe had only been registered a couple of years earlier.... I wouldn't have to pay ANY tax! :D

I-S
04-11-2008, 07:56 PM
Can't you set the fuel mixture such that it barely emits any CO2? Okay, so CO and HCs would be through the roof, but CO2 would be down :P

Zaid
06-11-2008, 12:23 AM
I think its totally unfair to change the tax bands on a car one already owns! anyway probably someone with a 1.0 Corsa will produce more CO2 than me cause i dont do much miles per year! £425 per year is just too much, and if one wishes to sell his car, I dont think we will be getting much for what the car is really worth!

Johnny_Cashed
06-11-2008, 12:37 AM
Agree about the milage issue. The government could put 50p per litre on petrol and get rid of road tax, and I would still break even! It is an incentive to move to a VR4 though...

I-S
06-11-2008, 09:35 AM
Indeed. My manager drives 25k miles a year in his diesel that puts out 165g/km. I drive 10k at 196g/km. I pay £100 more CO2 tax, despite putting out less CO2...

Zaid
06-11-2008, 09:08 PM
What If one was to convert his car to LPG? Will that reduce the tax?

peter thomson
06-11-2008, 10:01 PM
What If one was to convert his car to LPG? Will that reduce the tax?

I think my brother gets about a £10 discount. Very poor compared to the cost of the conversion but then the gas is half the price

I-S
11-11-2008, 04:33 PM
And now, just to add to the confusion...

Yet another Labour U-turn!

There are serious rumblings that the retroacting of the tax on vehicles registered before 2006 will be canned, or at least postponed. Watch this space...

HMG1K
11-11-2008, 07:32 PM
Word from Westminster is the 'green' car tax will be delayed by 12 months - the announcement will come in the pre-budget statement next week.

Johnny_Cashed
11-11-2008, 10:30 PM
Woot! :iloveyou: credit crunch!