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keithatport
06-03-2009, 11:20 PM
Hi, I am considering my options and have a couple of questions. I have done a search but have not come up with definitive answers.

Will an Evo 6,7 or 8 gearbox fit a Legnum if I fit a Legnum bellhousing without tranferring the internals from an Evo box into a Legnum box?

Do I need the gearbox ECU out of the Evo I get the gearbox from, assuming it will fit in the first place?

Will a bellhousing from a N/A Galant V6 fit a Legnum engine / Evo gearbox combination?

And last one for the moment, would I have to use the transfer box from the Evo or would I be able to stick with the Legnum transfer box.

Cheers, Keith

peter thomson
06-03-2009, 11:26 PM
There isn't a ecu for the manual.
Transfer box is the same.

bow dn
06-03-2009, 11:31 PM
Im also intrested in doing the same... so anyone with info would be awsum to pick your brain

Nick Mann
06-03-2009, 11:49 PM
I can't answer for sure.

I believe the trasnfer box to be the same.
I would put money on the manual evo box being able to take the VR4 bellhousing and slot in fine. I would suggest an auto box is the same story, but I'd put less money on the bet!
The ECU is not a problem, and as you have a facelift, you won't have the TCL control issue.

pitslayer
07-03-2009, 01:59 AM
So this could be a possible alternative to finding a manual VR4 box?

Nutter_John
07-03-2009, 08:26 AM
Right from what I know the 4/5/6 gearbox should be the same as ours with just different ratios and bell housing

7/8/9 is different as the transfer box sits above the sub frame so the mount pijnt will be different

keithatport
07-03-2009, 11:22 AM
Thanks Nick and John. Now I just need to find out about the n/a v6 bellhousing.
There is an advert on ebay for a evo 8 gearbox saying it will fit an evo 4 onwards but I was not sure if this was the case. On MLR there is a post saying the Evo 7 onwards gearbox is stronger but I am assuming a evo 6 gearbox would be stronger than a vr4 box?

If I change to a manuall either vr4 or evo do I nee to change the driveshafts?

peter thomson
07-03-2009, 12:39 PM
N/A v6 bellhousing can't be bolted to the transfer box

keithatport
07-03-2009, 01:27 PM
oh well, it was worth a try.

pitslayer
07-03-2009, 02:33 PM
So the early EVO boxes should fit in, but wrong bellhousing, later ones wont fit

Now in the VW scene, you can buy adaptor plates for gearboxes so you can fit like fiat twin cams onto a standard beetle box, what would the feasability of this be with an EVO-VR4 adaptor plate?

So John theoritcally if we could get an EVO box to fit, your saying that it should mount up fine with the transfer box and work as a manual conversion?

Nutter_John
07-03-2009, 05:40 PM
The unit should fit , although I have no direct proof just what i have seen

pitslayer
07-03-2009, 05:47 PM
hmmmm, would be nice to find out if they would, shame it would be a mammoth task just to see if it might fit

bradc
07-03-2009, 07:58 PM
The internals fit across fine. All EVO 4-9 5 speed gearbox internals will fit fine. The bellhousing is different, so you would have to source a specific VR-4 one.

The transfer case is the same on all EVO 4-6 and VR-4's, even has the same part number.

stuey
07-03-2009, 08:48 PM
So the early EVO boxes should fit in, but wrong bellhousing, later ones wont fit

Now in the VW scene, you can buy adaptor plates for gearboxes so you can fit like fiat twin cams onto a standard beetle box, what would the feasability of this be with an EVO-VR4 adaptor plate?

So John theoritcally if we could get an EVO box to fit, your saying that it should mount up fine with the transfer box and work as a manual conversion?

Like Pits said, lots of other 'enthusiasts' have adaptor plates for bellhousings.
So surely of the transfer box is the same, then a skimmed bellhousing/plate adaptor and hybrid clutch should work. (only drive shafts to worry about..)_

pitslayer
07-03-2009, 09:13 PM
you can get driveshafts made, the clutch shouldnt be that much of an issue, but would have to have and evo box and vr4 engine to see what the difference is and getting them to fit together

Nick Mann
07-03-2009, 10:24 PM
I've got a VR4 engine and an auto gearbox sat in my garage. If anyone can get an Evo 5 spd box to my garage it will be very easy to work out how easy/difficult it is.

From things I have picked up/heard/assumed on the way, many of the bolt holes are a direct fit. However the main issue is the starter motor position and that would be difficult to correct just with an adapter plate.

The 6 speed box is a very different unit to the 5 speed in the evo and needs a fair bit of modification to swap one from the other in the evo. I would assume that the same is even worse for the VR4 as the mount to the chassis will need to be custom made for the 6 speed and there is the other assumption that the transfer box will not fit. (Although the outlander turbo thing that I can't remember the name of has a transfer box that *may* solve the issue of the ACD incompatability.)

I guess we'll never know for sure unless someone takes the plunge. So like I said, If anyone has access to n evo box, or is wiling to buy one an re-sell if it doesn't work, I am willing to lend my garage and tools and even hours if I can to help see if it will fit.

Driveshafts are the same, but you need a different shaft from the transfer box to the passenger side drive shaft. The shaft that sits through the hollow output shaft from the gearbox. It is aout 10mm shorter than the auto one.

Also don't forget you'll still need the gear linkage and lever, clutch and brake pedal etc.

pitslayer
08-03-2009, 03:36 AM
gear linkage etc shouldnt be a problem should it? wouldnt a normal V6 galant linkage work? Same with pedal box and clutch resevoir?

Now looking to see if I can find a knackered evo box, or even just the case, as its really only the case that would be needed to see if it would fit?

Also the starter motor issue, could you not just put an EVO starter motor on? As it only uses the flywheel to start the engine, so you would have to have an evo flywheel anyways? So surely the EVO starter motor would fit on, and you just run new cables for the motor?

Nick Mann
08-03-2009, 08:07 AM
It's not the starter motor itself th's the problem AFAIK. The VR4 starter motor will quite happily turn an Evo flywheel mounted in a VR4. The problem is the position of the starter motor. IIRC it needs to bolt ono the bellhousing where the front turbo is. So, either move the front turbo or re-locate the cut-out in the bellhousing. I could have remembered this wrongly, which is why the best thing is to directly compare.

Catalan
08-03-2009, 11:06 AM
sorry but manual evo transfer box and vr-4 not the same
many the same internals, but you can't connect to engine (need change engine side cover) or custom cover upgrade :) ,

with custom upgrade, here in Russia, we have legnum with 6-speed gear box from Evo 9 :D

izverg46
08-03-2009, 01:25 PM
On a cover of a gearbox from the motor side of 5 apertures coincide and 2 is not present
We take a drill and we drill in the case of a box of 2 apertures in diameter of 14 mm
What to not miss to a box we put a plate established between the motor and a box and after it is marked where to drill

izverg46
08-03-2009, 01:27 PM
With installation 6мт it is little bit more complex

peter thomson
08-03-2009, 01:30 PM
On a cover of a gearbox from the motor side of 5 apertures coincide and 2 is not present
We take a drill and we drill in the case of a box of 2 apertures in diameter of 14 mm
What to not miss to a box we put a plate established between the motor and a box and after it is marked where to drill

This is great info .Do you have any pictures of the work that was required to do the conversion.

Beastlee
08-03-2009, 01:34 PM
A 6MT would definitely float my boat. Nice long 6th for the autobahn but with the rest spread nicely for acceleration....

izverg46
08-03-2009, 01:38 PM
I shall try to look for photos

izverg46
08-03-2009, 01:42 PM
The machine began to be accelerated much more cheerfully
Only have time to click transfers

keithatport
08-03-2009, 01:42 PM
Thanks a lot for the info.

izverg46
08-03-2009, 01:49 PM
Thanks on bread you will not smear! Joke

bradc
08-03-2009, 07:10 PM
I'd love to see pics and a full article on the 6 speed install.

As for the transfer case, EVO4-6 is definitely the same. EVO 7-9 will be different because they have the ACD.

bradc
08-03-2009, 07:15 PM
Lee - a 6 speed EVO box won't help for top speed unless you want to change the final drive ratio as well.

Stock VR-4 manual is (in kmh per 1000rpm)

8.84, 14.00, 20.95, 28.59, 38.69

EVO 6 speed is:

9.09, 13.60, 18.43, 24.04, 30.45, 38.11

The stock VR-4 auto gearbox is:

8.69, 16.00, 23.16, 32.91, 44.98

peter thomson
08-03-2009, 07:23 PM
Yes I found the same info as Brad did a while ago.


I'd love to see pics and a full article on the 6 speed install.

As for the transfer case, EVO4-6 is definitely the same. EVO 7-9 will be different because they have the ACD.

Beastlee
08-03-2009, 07:33 PM
Bah humbug. Ah well tip it shall remain.

pitslayer
09-03-2009, 12:11 AM
I think I am going to take the plunge for this in the middle of the year, anything to get rid of the tip box

izverg46
15-03-2009, 01:02 PM
5 apertures in a bell coincide, 2 top it is necessary to drill having displaced on 2 sm to the right, раздатка approaches ideally, it is necessary to make the top support of a box in a place, cables of a choice of transfers from 6 мт are still necessary, a drive alterations approach ideally, like all

izverg46
15-03-2009, 01:13 PM
раздатка-transfer case

izverg46
15-03-2009, 01:31 PM
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3954/gearbox.jpg

Catalan
15-03-2009, 01:33 PM
ok, i'll try to help to Izverg46.

1) the transfer case is not changed, fit the same (our stock vr-4 transfer)

2) the need to make 2 custom mount holes (look at pic), this gearbox not 6mt (5mt from evo-4), but for sample not problem

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3954/gearbox.jpg

3) you need 6-mt cables with mount.

4) you need to make custom gearbox mount to car body.

bradc
15-03-2009, 07:01 PM
So the 5MT and 6MT are basically the same for mounting to the engine?

This would make sense I guess because Mitsi wouldn't want to change the EVO engine too much to fit the 6 speed as they shipped EVO 8-9 with both 5 and 6 speed boxes.

Turbo_Steve
18-03-2009, 02:53 PM
Er....does this mean the ACD transfer box would mate to our drivetrain?
Forget the electronics.....just concerned with the mechanicals for now.

bradc
19-03-2009, 12:20 AM
no need, you can just reuse the original transfer

Turbo_Steve
19-03-2009, 01:33 AM
Pardon my ignorance, here, but does this mean we could all be fitting ACD, then? The electronics is relatively easy, after all....

bradc
19-03-2009, 03:33 AM
It wouldn't be that simple, you need a new ayc pump and the lines that go to the ACD system

Turbo_Steve
20-03-2009, 12:33 AM
Well, surely not that difficult? Some pipework and a pump?

Catalan
27-03-2009, 10:23 AM
one problem man - tail of transfer evo 7-9 is upper then stock, and it will impossible this upgrade

bradc
27-03-2009, 10:51 AM
Virtually the same ratio is used.

EVO 4 + VR-4 = 3.323
EVO 5-9 = 3.307

EVO 4-6 all use the same transfer case

pitslayer
14-07-2009, 10:18 PM
Anyone got anymore info than whats posted already, does the VR4 and evo share the same driveshafts?
Are the auto drive shafts the same as a manual?

I am aware that our cars either come with 25 or 27 spline shafts

Catalan
07-10-2009, 06:24 AM
the front driveshafts the same (I use driveshaft from EVO. but not sure from 4 or 5-6).