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Wodjno
25-04-2009, 04:14 PM
Well i finally got round to starting on refurbing my Tein Type HA coilovers /pan

I have ordered some new Seat and Lock rings for the rears, as they where totally mullered.

I have been busy on 1 of the rears with a Wire Brush and Drill with Wire Brush attachment.. It's taken about an hour to get it to the stage it's at now..
But whats the best paln of attack now ?
What should i treat the bare metal with ? Is 1 of those rust suppressors and primers all in 1 ok ?
And i want a paint thats going to be resillient to the forces of nature /yes
I was wondering if 1 of those Plasticote Spray paints would be OK ?
I really want to stay as near as possible to the OE TEIN Green colour as well.

TIA :iloveyou:

Oh yes.. Nearly forgot :speechles

Pics below..

psbarham
25-04-2009, 05:22 PM
personally i would clean them up and then paint them with some cold galvanising spray, then do a top coat of green

Fully
27-04-2009, 06:36 AM
Do you have salt on your roads?
As I see alot of cars your way that have a lot of rust on the underside of the car :/

Kieran
27-04-2009, 09:06 AM
Do you have salt on your roads?
As I see alot of cars your way that have a lot of rust on the underside of the car :/

Yes, lots! Rust is a big problem for Jap imports in the UK.

Turbo_Steve
27-04-2009, 03:15 PM
Mistubishi VR-4 red, for me.

White Lightning
27-04-2009, 03:21 PM
Blimey, they were in a bit of a state Glenn!

Glad I took the decision to give mine a good clean at least once or twice a year to keep the rot away!

ANTHONY
27-04-2009, 08:55 PM
i agree they do look bad how old are they?

Wodjno
27-04-2009, 09:12 PM
The Fronts are actually in pretty good shape.. Flakey paint and a little bit of rust on the body's. But the rings and threads are in very good condition. The springs are also good..
The rears though have really suffered from the weather /yes But saying that they are in good working order and fronts and rears still have good pressure.
And the 16 way adjustable damping is still working...

A bit of work still ahead, but i'll get there in the end..

Age wise.. I would say there 10 years if there a day :speechles

Couple of Pics of 1 of the Fronts in bits.. And the Strut after a bit of work /yes

Davezj
27-04-2009, 09:28 PM
i have the same set of coilovers and have already done this very thing.

1. wire brushed shocks. (Took too long)

2. wire brush attachment on drill. cleaned up all the rust they were bright and shiney.

3. use rust treatment stuff, "krust" from halfords.

4. then 2 coat of primer.

5. 3- 4 coats of top colour.

6. 3 coats of clear laquor.

this should have been enough to make them rust proof for ever.

however i have not even fitted them yet and they are already rusting again from the inside out. i did refrub them over a year ago though and they have been sitting in the shed ever since.

can any one explain this.

as an aside halfords do a very close match to the tein green paint. i will have a look at is when i am in the shed next and post it up.

peter thomson
27-04-2009, 09:49 PM
kurust just isn't up to the job. I have used Bilt Hamber rust converter and rust removal products which are pretty good but I'm trying vactan this year and a paint with a high zinc content from bilt hamber as well.

Davezj
27-04-2009, 10:21 PM
just to let you know when i first researched this topic i found lots of info that pointed out the HA shock are well known for being very susseptable to rust and are generally go very rusty very quickly.

yes the kurust stuff is rubbish i now know.

where do you get the Bilt hamber stuff from?

i have got myself a simple sand blasting kit. and intend to give it a go on the shocks to do the referb for a second time. i have also start to make a sand blasting box so it doesn't go everywhere. i just have to work out some way of attaching the perspex view window and extraction system.

I know i will have to keep the blasting media off the shock cylinder shafts (i will mask them off). just blasting the bodies of the shocks and springs. this should remove all the rust, and i will use a better prventer. maybe get some of the acid etch primer that people talk about that is suposed to really grab into the metal surface and seal it.
i will have to find some kind of flexible covering for the spring, might give the plasticoat stuff a go.

Wodjno
27-04-2009, 10:25 PM
Ok.. So i've been doing some reading .. And on the revomendation of Mr Barham /yes
I have been looking at loadsa different makers of Cold Galvanising Spray..
The 1 in the following link seems to be the best spec i have come accros wothout costing Mega Bucks..

http://www.rocol.com/lubricants/english/datasheets/technicalsheets/COLD%20GALVANIZING%20SPRAY%20%20%20TDS%20%20%20695 15.pdf

What are Peeps thoughts on this product ?

Cheers

Wodj :D

Davezj
27-04-2009, 10:33 PM
The Fronts are actually in pretty good shape.. Flakey paint and a little bit of rust on the body's. But the rings and threads are in very good condition. The springs are also good..
The rears though have really suffered from the weather /yes But saying that they are in good working order and fronts and rears still have good pressure.
And the 16 way adjustable damping is still working...

A bit of work still ahead, but i'll get there in the end..

Age wise.. I would say there 10 years if there a day :speechles

Couple of Pics of 1 of the Fronts in bits.. And the Strut after a bit of work /yes

just thought i would let you know my shocks were more rusty than yours but i got them cleaner than the buttom pic you have taken. i ended up using a angle grider with a really stiff wire brush attachment, but as i have said they have gone rust again.
plan your rust proofing carefully. as i have to do mine again to get then looking right.

peter thomson
27-04-2009, 10:34 PM
That one looks promising Glenn but longer test data would be better unless you found some more info elsewhere.


Ok.. So i've been doing some reading .. And on the revomendation of Mr Barham /yes
I have been looking at loadsa different makers of Cold Galvanising Spray..
The 1 in the following link seems to be the best spec i have come accros wothout costing Mega Bucks..

http://www.rocol.com/lubricants/english/datasheets/technicalsheets/COLD%20GALVANIZING%20SPRAY%20%20%20TDS%20%20%20695 15.pdf

What are Peeps thoughts on this product ?

Cheers

Wodj :D

peter thomson
27-04-2009, 10:36 PM
where do you get the Bilt hamber stuff from?.

Direct from Bilt Hamber or Agreimach. Vactan can be bought on ebay

Dom B
27-04-2009, 10:46 PM
Which cars were these shocks standard on? I seem to have them on my plain VR4 manual, ayc, per facelift which i didn't think came with them. I was thinking of some sort of refurbishment. I have some zinc brush plating stuff that works a treat on body work where you actually electroplate the metal not just spray on.

Got quite a bit of it, might post some examples of the stuff if i can find a bit of time, incase anyone is interested in buying some.

Davezj
27-04-2009, 10:57 PM
Which cars were these shocks standard on? I seem to have them on my plain VR4 manual, ayc, per facelift which i didn't think came with them. I was thinking of some sort of refurbishment. I have some zinc brush plating stuff that works a treat on body work where you actually electroplate the metal not just spray on.

Got quite a bit of it, might post some examples of the stuff if i can find a bit of time, incase anyone is interested in buying some.


They were never standard on VR4 it was just a common upgrade for suspension at the time. you can't by these shocks any more. but you can get equivelent, super wagon, super street, coilovers. not sure what the actual name is but you get the picture.

Wodjno
27-04-2009, 11:01 PM
just thought i would let you know my shocks were more rusty than yours but i got them cleaner than the buttom pic you have taken.


As it says in the post.. "AFTER A BIT OF WORK"

Far from finished yet.. /pan


PS... And i am using a stiff wire brush attachment in a drill..
The wire brush you see hardly makes a scratch on them ...

Davezj
27-04-2009, 11:15 PM
Just testing!

i am sure they will come out fine.

but you should have seen the mood i was in when i found out the rust had come back on my shocks, foul mouthed doesn't come close. i could have made a porn film by breathing on a video tape.
i spent ages refurbing mine. i just don't want you to go through the same disapointment i did.

Wodjno
27-04-2009, 11:24 PM
Heres another 1 with good spec and longer test time data ..

http://www.liquiguard.com/PDF/ZRC%20221%20Galvanizing%20Compound.pdf

Dom B
27-04-2009, 11:28 PM
Where do you get new lock nuts etc as mine have split.

Wodjno
27-04-2009, 11:31 PM
Where do you get new lock nuts etc as mine have split.

Any Tein Dealer..

You will need the Part Number of the body of the Shock..

Davezj
27-04-2009, 11:46 PM
i had to change all of mine. they had c0rroded badly and stated to crack being aluminum exposed to all the road salt we have here

All 4 sets of seats and lock ring are about £50-£60 for the lot.

then you will need the C spanner if you don't already have them about £20 for a pair.
Mr Voodoo on here was a Tein dealer i think he called his company Quantum customs.

hope this helps, but as said above any tein dealer can get them for you.

peter thomson
27-04-2009, 11:46 PM
This is the one I use Glenn

http://www.bilthamber.com/electrox.html

and an independant test of theirs one and a few others.

http://www.bilthamber.com/electrox.html


Heres another 1 with good spec and longer test time data ..

http://www.liquiguard.com/PDF/ZRC%20221%20Galvanizing%20Compound.pdf

Wodjno
28-04-2009, 03:08 PM
No more feckin around :D

Davezj
28-04-2009, 06:24 PM
give it some stick!

but stop before you draw fluid.

miller
29-04-2009, 12:33 AM
I reckon that oughta do it :speechles :speechles

Wodjno
29-04-2009, 09:40 AM
After a few mins with the above accessory /yes

Some before:


/Hmmm

Unable to Upload Pics /Grrr

Is it a Site issue ??

Keeps saying file upload failed :(

Turbo_Steve
29-04-2009, 09:52 AM
give it some stick!

but stop before you draw fluid.

Isn't that what they teach soldiers to use a sock for?

Wodjno
29-04-2009, 04:32 PM
So after getting the shocks down to the bare metal and before coating them with Cold Galvanising Spray ..
Whats the inbetween stage ?
The Shock Bodies have small pit marks, they could be the potential hiding place for rust(or the start of rust)
How do i prep this type of surface before coating them with the CGS ? Do i use a specific type of cleaner ? Or do i just slap on the CGS ?


Cheers

Wodj

PS.. Still can't u[pload pics to thread above..
Can someone else try and upload some pics somewhere to see if it's a site issue ?

Gly
29-04-2009, 08:34 PM
its broken

Wodjno
29-04-2009, 09:28 PM
its broken

Cheers :D

ianturbo
29-04-2009, 11:05 PM
Mistubishi VR-4 red, for me.
:2thumbsup :2thumbsup
ian

Wodjno
21-05-2009, 07:00 PM
Update:

Heres a Pic of a Refurbed rear shock..


And i dropped the spring just before fittng :(

I'll spray a bit of Clearcoat on the defects before fitting :D

peter thomson
21-05-2009, 07:52 PM
Looking good Glenn. I've just covered mine in Dinitrol after painting them so no longer shiny like yours

White Lightning
11-08-2009, 01:37 PM
When I fitted my Tein Super Wagons on the new motor at the weekend I noticed a couple of things that could do with sorting.

1). There are a couple of small bits of surface rust starting on the springs. Nothing major but it's obviously the start.
2). The green paint is starting to flake off in a few places at the bottom of the strut (the bit that goes into the horseshoe fork at the bottom that you always end up wiggling to get out).

I have given them a good clean up for now and rubbed down and painted some primer over the bit where the paint was flaking off before fitting them. But seeing as they have to come off again soon when I do the undersealing I thought I would try and do something to stop the rot as they say.

So, would applying grease to the coil help stop rust or would that make things worse?

And does anyone know of a green paint that matches the Tein green? I did some Googling but didn't come up with much. I had a look in Halfords at lunchtime and they had some Ford Signal Green that looked fairly close.

Turbo_Steve
11-08-2009, 05:32 PM
looked fairly close

DEFINITELY buy a tester first. I have yet to manage a good colour match with paint from Halfords. I don't doubt it's always my fault.....but even so.

adaxo
23-02-2011, 10:24 PM
Great job Glenn, I decide to refresh this thread due to similar problem with my Tein type HR suspension.
One of rear coilovers throw oil away, so obviously is beyond wire brush job, here is picture:

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My question is, is anybody used Tein dealer to refurbish dampers, so far I find this website http://www.tein.co.uk/product/products_support.html , but before handle my hard earned cash, trying to find out if is worth to give them a go or is any other alternative ?

Nutter_John
23-02-2011, 10:30 PM
Think Tein UK in Milton Keynes is your best bet as at least you know it is done proper - But expect to pay around £100+ per shock for a refurb

adaxo
23-02-2011, 10:33 PM
I will be more than happy if its around 100 quid, did you use them ?

Nutter_John
23-02-2011, 10:34 PM
No never used them but they are the makers so would expect them to know there way around them :D

adaxo
23-02-2011, 10:38 PM
OK, I was asking about price wise.

Davezj
28-02-2011, 09:11 PM
my last quote from a tien rep was £80 plus parts on the refurb front.

i have a refurb sheet somewhere i will dig it out.

this one is for an american tein dealer but i am sure you will have to fill one of these out when you take them to a uk dealer.

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bah humbug pdf will not upload correctly

adaxo
02-03-2011, 06:08 PM
[QUOTE=Davezj;621310]my last quote from a tien rep was £80 plus parts on the refurb front.

This price was for both sides or just one?

Davezj
02-03-2011, 06:31 PM
Just one mate!

Wodjno
07-04-2015, 03:54 PM
6 years on..

Not taken them off and give them a complete look over.. Just reached under car and gave a rear shock with a damp cloth! Plenty of drown chips as would be expected after 6 years. But no rust showing whatsoever /woot2

Here's to the next 6 years :)

Davezj
07-04-2015, 05:08 PM
looking good glenn whatever you used to coat the body of the shock with, it worked a treat.

what are the threaded lock nuts, what are they like?
They are the bits that take the hammering with road salt and muck.

Wodjno
08-04-2015, 12:53 AM
looking good glenn whatever you used to coat the body of the shock with, it worked a treat.

what are the threaded lock nuts, what are they like?
They are the bits that take the hammering with road salt and muck.

Taken down to bare metal.

6 coats Cold Galvanising Spray
6 coats of primer
6 coats of gloss black
6 coats of clear lacquer
Haven't checked the rest of the shock, but will be going under there soon to sort exhaust and underseal. Will report back then.

Z-Kev
17-04-2015, 06:42 PM
Rustbullet?