Manual Clutch Slipping - best replacement?

[Cezco]

My clutch has started to slip in fifth and yesterday in fourth so I think it needs replaced... What is the best replacement clutch for me to buy? I have remapped the ecu, boost is about 13psi. Have straight through 2.5" from turbos and 3" back stainless exhaust. Not tested power. Is it best to go for uprated?

Also does anyone have the manual to replace clutch? The one in articles doesn't have any photos...

Cheers.

[bradc]

A stock EVO 7-9 clutch disc and pressure plate will fit straight in and give you a nice little upgrade too.

[Nutter_John]

A stock EVO 7-9 clutch disc and pressure plate will fit straight in and give you a nice little upgrade too.

Yeah Brad is correct , if you replace the fly then you can use an evo one as long as you get longer bolts and a spacer

replacing the clutch is not that hard , just like most others

Just takes a long time

[ANTHONY]

any idea of the cost for a standard clutch replacement john?

[stuey]

I'm in the same boat, beginning of slippage of hard acceleration.. VR4 upgrades are silly money..

So standard Evo 6 and later clutches are an upgrade over standard VR4 ones ??

Another stupid question (that I have searched.. :scholar: ) how do I know if I have a 240mm or 225mm clutch ?

[Gly]

all 96 8g vr4s have 240mm clutches,

and its the evo 7-9 clutch that will bolt onto the factory vr4 flywheel.

evo 6 kits will not fit as its 230 or 225mm i forget,

[bradc]

Actually I found searching for 240mm bought up heaps of results for clutches. The evo4-6 one is smaller, possibly 220mm?

[Nick Mann]

As above - the evo 5/6 has a slighlty smaller clutch disc. The fitment however is sill the same, so if you use a flywheel/clutch/pressure plate combo it will fit the same as a 7/8/9 clutch.

I have been told that some VR4s use the smaller clutch, but I have never seen/heard of one.

If you are changing the flywheel too it doesn't matter which system you go for as long as they are all for the same sizes!

[Subaru ETA]

or if you are just looking for a standard feeling clutch with more bite and can handle some launching, the exedy sports tuff heavy duty does te business.

[stuey]

Ok so it 'should' be 240mm..
So to confirm, looking for evo 7-9 clutch kit (or complete with flywheel if mines knackered)

[Cezco]

Is it worth replacing the flywheel? Does it make a difference?

[Nutter_John]

Depends on the wear , but you can reduce the weight of the fly which can help the 0-60 times

[Cezco]

I'll see how bad it is first I think. Where is the best place to buy a clutch kit? Having trouble finding a kit under £300...

Does anyone have the 'how to' for replacing the clutch? It doesn't look an easy job...

[Nutter_John]

howto for changeing clutch is as follows

drive to John's workshopw
Hand over money
John changes clucth
drive from John's Workshop

:D

[Cezco]

How much are you talking? Might be an idea...

[Nutter_John]

will price it up for ya


As for which clutch etc etc it is worth looking at going for an uprated one as they will handle the extra power if your looking at increasing

[Cezco]

Cheers. Fancy changing the timing belt while you are there... :-)

Why does everything always come at once...

[Nutter_John]

Not and Issue buddy , send me PM with your mobile number and I will give ya a call

[ANTHONY]

howto for changeing clutch is as follows

drive to John's workshopw
Hand over money
John changes clucth
drive from John's Workshop

:Dso how many clucth's have you done in your workshopw?

[Starscream]

so how many clucth's have you done in your workshopw?

We did mine for one. An uprated Exedy one with a modified flywheel. Works great.

[stuey]

We did mine for one. An uprated Exedy one with a modified flywheel. Works great.

How much and where from fella ?

[Nutter_John]

worked out around £570 for the bits from a guy on ebay , clucth specialist

the rest of the bits added about 100 to it ( bolts and flange)

[Starscream]

How much and where from fella ?

Here it is -

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MITSUBISHI-EVO-7-8-9-EXEDY-RACING-CLUTCH-FLYWHEEL_W0QQitemZ310127198290QQcmdZViewItemQQptZU K_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item31012719 8290&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A10|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0 |293%3A2|294%3A50

Gone up a bit since I had it. Nick Mann is your fella for the adapter flange and bolts.

[Nutter_John]

Yeah still very good value though

[Starscream]

Yeah still very good value though

Defnitely, a very good package all in all /rally

[stuey]

Cheers chaps... :iloveyou:

[Atik]

The search facility worked and I got the perfect thread with the exact information I needed!

So I am looking for an Evo 7-9 clutch kit to replace my standard one.

Looking at Camskill, they have two that I am interested in.

An Exedy racing clutch for £370, to which I will need to add the cost of a flywheel
http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m8b0s2339p2646

Or a standard clutch kit at £215
http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m8b0s2339p2646

Will this standard flywheel fit with the Exedy clutch above? Or is there an Exedy flywheel I am not seeing. This is currently at £205.
http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m8b0s2339p7595

So I would be looking at either £575 for the Exedy clutch or £420 for the stock Evo clutch. What would people recommend? I still need to add cost of fitting to this too. (At this point money is not a major issue).

My car has a piggy back ECU, EBC and is running just under 290bhp... with a possible future expansion in power, I might be better off going for the Exedy? But then the stock Evo one is surely good enough to handle that power, well at least better than the stock VR4 clutch.

[ANTHONY]

how come the clutch has gone so soon?or was it not a new one when you did the convertion?

[Atik]

Nah, it wasn't new. It was the one off Mo's car which had seen better days. I risked putting it on back then but spending the best part of £2k that month getting the conversion done (with loads of extras bits), I couldnt afford to go for a new clutch. So here I am, exactly 5 months down the line needing one :D

I think what killed it for me was the quarter mile runs last week. Not good for the clutch. This week, the acceleration has been feeling lethargic and it was only this evening when I was out driving and had a Ferrari behind me, I tried to play with it, but couldnt get any power down, I thought I need to work this out cos it does not feel good.

[Nick Mann]

Clutches are normally rated by torque, not power. So your torque figure is the important bit.

Circular clutches tend to have more user-friendly characterisitics, pucked clutches tend to cope with more torque.

If I had the money, I would be buying a twin-plate clutch, probably exedy. It seems to be a good way of keeping some user friendliness and having the ability to cope with a few launches and plenty of torque.

[Atik]

Just had a look on eBay and found this item.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180376698588&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2F18037669858 8%2520%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp2759.m38.l1313%2 6_nkw%3D180376698588%2B%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_naf%3D1%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1

The seller confirmed that it can handle my current torque figures of 315ft/lb quite easily. Looks like a good deal? At £310 it looks like its the same clutch as the top Camskill one I linked above?

And when I said money isnt an issue, I didnt mean that I wanted to spend £1500 on a clutch :p

[Nick Mann]

It all depends on what you want to do later. Also remember that pretty much every clutch manufacturer will only warranty friction plates if the flywheel is changed at the same time. Evo flywheels will fit with my adapter plate. Lighter flywheels make the car a bit more responsive.

[Atik]

I've found this package deal which has interested me now. The Exedy flywheel is much lighter than the stock Evo one (from Camskil, so I'm thinking its probably worth the extra few ££s now to make sure I have a nice working clutch with potential.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310127198290&fromMakeTrack=true

Can anyone see anything that I'm missing now? I've emailed the seller to see if it includes all pins and bolts for fitting. And apart from the adaptor plate (which Nick has), I'm ready to go, arent I?

[stuey]

I've found this package deal which has interested me now. The Exedy flywheel is much lighter than the stock Evo one (from Camskil, so I'm thinking its probably worth the extra few ££s now to make sure I have a nice working clutch with potential.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310127198290&fromMakeTrack=true

Can anyone see anything that I'm missing now? I've emailed the seller to see if it includes all pins and bolts for fitting. And apart from the adaptor plate (which Nick has), I'm ready to go, arent I?

I was recommended that package too..

[Atik]

Thanks Stu.

Did you go for the package in the end? If not what did you go for?

[Nick Mann]

Looks like a good package at a good price Atik.

[Spirit]

Just a heads up from some of the Evo guys when I was looking around.....they didn't like the Exedy quality unless it was a twin/triple. A few guys have had new ones fail in just a few thousand miles.

I went for a Competition Clutch in the end: http://www.competitionclutch.co.uk/
but purchased it from RSE Motorsport (an MLR Trader). They were extremely helpful.

I went for the 6 puk clutch (1620) and ultra lightweight flywheel.

[Atik]

The competition clutches look good. Quite reasonable prices for such higher torque handling capabilities.

I've gone for the Exedy package deal. Hopefully it will be ok for me as I am generally a sedate driver with the odd track day and quarter mile run. If I start getting problems, I'll have the warranty to fall back on.

Fingers crossed.

[Nutter_John]

You should be ok with that one Atik as it is still working great in Starscreams car , You better start going down the gym though as the pedal is about 4 times harder :)

[miller]

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In the veins of a certain Kiwi.......

[Atik]

:D

Technically, its not the manual gearbox thats at fault. Its the clutch :smug:

[Nutter_John]

Technically it's not the autobox at fault it's the TC seal !!!! :D

[stuey]

Thanks Stu.

Did you go for the package in the end? If not what did you go for?

I didn't get it yet, think it was John & Starscream and that said it was a good deal, mines only just starting to slip at full wide open high rev situation, so gonna give it a while till it really annoys me...
Let me know how you get on with it..!

[phosty]

Lighter flywheels make the car a bit more responsive.

And easier to stall!

For those of you with lightened flywheels - have you ever had it stall on idle when the A/C compressor cuts in? Happens from time to time on mine and I'm wondering if it's the reduced inertia of the flywheel?

[Spirit]

Certainly not happened to me yet phosty

[Kenneth]

Not had that issue either. (twin plate cusco)

You got a standard BOV? if you have a VTA one, it is probably an issue with that. (When a touch soft they sometimes do that)

[Atik]

I'll have to keep an eye on that then. Once this lightened flywheel goes on, I'll try adjusting my BOV to fully VTA and change the spring pressure to play around and work out a pattern of stalling. But I wouldnt have thought a lightened flywheel would cause stalling issues.

Cant wait to get my car back up and running! Just did a 180 mile trip in my old Corolla :( No power, no comfort, and no proper stereo! Yuk!

[phosty]

I do have VTA BOV but hadn't thought of that so I'll check it out. Cheers.

[stuey]

Any news Atik ? Have you got the new clutch fitted yet ? Need to buy one in next week or so, so wanna know how you got on..

[Atik]

Yep, I went for this one in the end from eBay. Good communication and prompt dispatch (though I had a problem my end as no one was home to collect the parcel). Includes a lightened flywheel at 5.45kg and there was a noticable weight difference between the one that came off my car.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310127198290&fromMakeTrack=true

Nick fitted it for me last week, and I've done about 400miles since. Feels much quicker moving off from a standstill now. The biting point is a touch lower than before, but its still ok. The pedal needs a little more force to push down, but again, its a minor difference.

I havent pushed it too much yet as its still settling in, but I did redline 2nd and 3rd gears last night to see how it felt. The pickup felt quicker but that just might be a placebo effect after driving a 1.4l Corolla for a week!

But it definitely feels better and much more responsive to the loud pedal :guitarist
Definitely recommended package.

[Note that this kit requires the adaptor plate to fit the new Evo flywheel and longer flywheel bolts, available from Nick ;) ]

[stuey]

Yep, I went for this one in the end from eBay. Good communication and prompt dispatch (though I had a problem my end as no one was home to collect the parcel). Includes a lightened flywheel at 5.45kg and there was a noticable weight difference between the one that came off my car.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310127198290&fromMakeTrack=true

Nick fitted it for me last week, and I've done about 400miles since. Feels much quicker moving off from a standstill now. The biting point is a touch lower than before, but its still ok. The pedal needs a little more force to push down, but again, its a minor difference.

I havent pushed it too much yet as its still settling in, but I did redline 2nd and 3rd gears last night to see how it felt. The pickup felt quicker but that just might be a placebo effect after driving a 1.4l Corolla for a week!

But it definitely feels better and much more responsive to the loud pedal :guitarist
Definitely recommended package.

[Note that this kit requires the adaptor plate to fit the new Evo flywheel and longer flywheel bolts, available from Nick ;) ]

cheers fella...

[dublee]

Hi guys,

My clutch is starting to slip on high boost now.

I'm having a little trouble following this thread.

The Standard Evo 7-9 Clutch (http://camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m8b0s2339p2492) will go in no problem, with a Standard VR4 Flywheel (http://camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m22b0s1401p8122), nothing else is needed?

The Standard Evo 7-9 Clutch (http://camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m8b0s2339p2492) will go in no problem, to use a Standard Evo Flywheel (http://camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m8b0s2339p7595), longer bolts ARE needed(do these come with the flywheel from camskill or are those ones too short also)? nothing else is needed?

To Replace the Standard VR4 Clutch (http://camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m22b0s1401p8106) and Standard VR4 Flywheel (http://camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m22b0s1401p8122) nothing else is needed?

Is this Correct?

[Atik]

Kind of...

My understanding of this all when I ordered was, an Evo clutch would go with an Evo flywheel with an adaptor plate and longer bolts. I believe the bolts that come as standard will work in terms of reaching from one side to the other, but the thread will not go right through. Longer bolts (by about 10mm) will reach all the way through giving better hold. Evo clutch will not bolt directly to the VR4 flywheel as they have different bolt locations (hence the adaptor plate above).

Standard VR4 clutch will work with standard VR4 flywheel with all existing kit.

The Evo kit tends to be lighter and stronger so that it can handle more power going through it. The VR4 ones are enough for standard VR4 power but if you are looking to up the power or already have done, then an Evo kit will be your better option.

Hope that helps.

[Nick Mann Services]

There are 2 different clutch diameters, on the Evo and the VR4. Almost all VR4's have the bigger of the diameters, which is the Evo 7/8 clutch size.

Assuming you buy the clutch parts with the right diameter the options are:

1. VR4 flywheel, VR4 friction plate, VR4 pressure plate. Nothing else required!
2. VR4 flywheel, Evo friction plate, Evo pressure plate. Nothing else required, but please bear in mind that whilst this all physically fits, the release bearing sits in a slightly different location, due to different offsets on the Evo and VR4 regarding flywheel mounting surface and thickness. I have been told by a guy at co-ordsport (suppliers of lots of evo bits - for road, race and rally) that this can and does lead to premature clutch wear and failure.
3. Evo flywheel, Evo friction plate, Evo pressure plate. Flywheel fitting kit also required. I developed the flywheel fitting kit, because I wanted the ability to get a decent clutch on the VR4 without paying stupid prices for it. When you start looking at better/lightened flywheels, never mind about the friction/pressure plates, the cost of the fitting kit still means you get a much better clutch for the money than if you looked for VR4 specific stuff.

So the choices are all there. It's easy to tell which my choice would be, but we're not all the same!

I'll take a photo of the fitting kit and put it up in the FS area so you can see what it is.

[Mr.Salas]

Dude are our clutch pull type or push type???

[Kenneth]

Pull type mate.

[Mr.Salas]

Thanks man.
Are all evo 7/8/9 clutch pull type, because I was looking around and found 2 diferent types of pressure plates system for the evo

[Nick Mann]

Standard is pull type on the Evo too, although you can get a push system and a converter.

[Mr.Salas]

Hmm what do you guys think about the Proindia clutch kit?? any good? and how much WTQ it holds?

[Mr.Salas]

http://www.stikiller.com/product.php?productid=16681&cat=259&page=1

what do you guys think about this setup


whats the diference between evo 8 and evo 9?

[mattnz]

Where would one acquire an adaptor plate in NZ?

[Mr.Salas]

Dudes who can make the "spacer" for the evo clutch ???

[Nick Mann Services]

I have sent a kit to Australia for £80 including postage. That includes the spacer and the bolts.
I have had a quote for the USA which was the same.
I'm sure most of the world can't be much more.

Let me know if you are interested and I'll send you paypal details. I currently have 5 kits in stock.

[Mr.Salas]

do you have a picture of the kit available ?

Are you sure the spacer is 100% flat because I have heard if it's made wrong is bye bye engine

[Nick Mann Services]

http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41975

If the ring is machined badly then the flywheel will be out of balance which I can see would affect the lifetime of your engine. It would also feel horrible! I'd be interested where you heard about engine failures with this type of spacer - I have not heard anything bad about them.

There are several of these in use and I have had no negative feedback yet.

Hope that helps!

[Mr.Salas]

Thanks man,

hmm I didn't hear nothing bad about the spacer you make , but if the engine rotating mass isn't balanced right, you will make an harmonice movement that will kill your main bearings and also damage the crank.

But anyway can you give me an estamed shipping cost to Curacao, Netherlands Antilles. just to check were is the best to ship this.

[Mr.Salas]

Question, will an evo 8 clutch kit fit on the stock VR4 flywheel?

[Nick Mann Services]

Yes it will. Unless you have one of the very few VR4s that has the smaller diameter clutch. The overall length of the clutch will be different though, which has potential issues. If you click on my link in my last post you will see the arguments for and against.

[Nick Mann Services]

And as far as I can tell, shipping to anywhere outside of europe gives a shipped price of £80

[Mr.Salas]

okies.
do you have the specification of the spacer?
maybe I can let them make it over here cause if i buy it from you it will take up to an month I think to arive here.

[Nick Mann]

Normally it should be there in a week.

I don't have the specs I'm afraid. I took an evo flywheel and a VR4 flywheel to an engineering shop and explained what the spacer needed to do. I also went to a mitsy parts specialist and checked the differences between offsets of mounting points to get the thickness needed.

The engineering company I used might have a drawing, but I don't.

[Mr.Salas]

Oh okies no problem then.

Can you send me your paypal info please



And what brand do you think is the best to buy?

ACT or EXEDY?

[xt4t1k]

Anyone in NZ using an evo 7/8/9 clutch on the stock Vr4 flywheel?

[Wodjno]

Ok.. So i read thru all of the previous 1 1/2 pages.. And i still don't know what i need :(

Is the following ok for my car ?
http://www.competitionclutch.co.uk/mitsubishi-lancer-evo-7-8-9-2004-stage-2-2100-organic-carbon-kevlar-clutch-k-p-337.html

What else would i need to fit it ?

I think i understand that until i definitely know the size of my clutch ? Theres no point ordering 1 ?

TIA

Wodj

[stuey]

Ok.. So i read thru all of the previous 1 1/2 pages.. And i still don't know what i need :(

Is the following ok for my car ?
http://www.competitionclutch.co.uk/mitsubishi-lancer-evo-7-8-9-2004-stage-2-2100-organic-carbon-kevlar-clutch-k-p-337.html

What else would i need to fit it ?

I think i understand that until i definitely know the size of my clutch ? Theres no point ordering 1 ?

TIA

Wodj

Did mine few months back matey ... I used

1. Skimmed standard EVO 9 flywheel from Clark motorsport (£120 delivered I think)
2. Camskill Evo 7 - 9 clutch kit pressure plate/disc/bearing http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m8b0s2339p2492
3. Nick Mann spacer 7 bolt set

All went together beautifully, works well, no difference in pedal pressure, handles the power at 13psi easily.

[Nick Mann]

I think there is no way of telling if that will work perfectly or not if you use a VR4 flywheel. It all depends on if it rubs the gearbox or not - it seemsit will be close and he chances are it won't, going on experiences of others.

If you use it with an evo flywheel with a suitable spacer, you should be okay.

[ersanalamin]

Guys, I am planning to run 1 bar turbo boost on my m/t vr4, I just curious whether the stock clutch still able to handle the engine power without slipping? If the clutch slipping symptom happens what is the best option to replace the clutch? for consideration, I just need to run max 1 bar boost, no more than 1 bar while it still convenience to kick the gear shifting pedal. any advice and respond will be appreciated. TIA.

[Gly]

clutch holding ability is rated in torque, not hp or anything else,

a stock clutch will last a while, but dont expect it to be to long depends on how you treat it,
if the clutch starts to slip not much else you can do,
new stronger clutch, or detune your car, or drive sensibly

[ersanalamin]

clutch holding ability is rated in torque, not hp or anything else,

a stock clutch will last a while, but dont expect it to be to long depends on how you treat it,
if the clutch starts to slip not much else you can do,
new stronger clutch, or detune your car, or drive sensibly

Okay, in short based on ur opinion the stock clutch will be able to hold 1 bar boost, only don't know how long will it last. have you try it for yourself?

[Gly]

already answered that for you, cant make it any simpler

[Nick Mann]

If in good condition a standard clutch will hold a vr4 on raised boost.

If you drive it like you stole it then it won't last long.

[slickskay]

soo in all results if i have a 98 vr4 galant 2.5 TT v6 my clutch is slipping am i best to get an evo 7-9 clutch with or without pressure plate... do i need the extra longer bolts and a spacer and what would my clutch size be a 240mm/230mm or 220mm????? as far as conversation goes with people in taranaki N.Z exceedy is a crap brand of clutch and are constant returns...

[Subaru ETA]

Ahhh I have fitted and used many a exedy clutch with no issue to lots of different cars....

I had a sports tuf exedy in my vr4 and it was mint

[low_vr4]

this suitable?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Car-parts-accessories/Mitsubishi/Clutches/auction-360001232.htm

[sampsulo]

Hi My Clutch has started to slip. in fact its slipping quite often. i would like to buy the EVO 7 standard clutch kit from camskill, which one do i buy, clutch kit for 6speed or for 5 speed? also from my understanding this kit should be able t handle more power than a standard vr4 kit? i have a 1999 Galant Vr-4.

[lathiat]

It won't fit unless you get the adapter plate for it.


Look at the Exedy kit MBK-7223HD this is recommended by Exedy as a direct fit to the VR-4

[Gly]

it will work on a stock flywheel, 5 or 6 speed shoudnt make a diff, i used the evo 8 kit

[sampsulo]

i was going that route until i saw the price....guess will have to save up for one...in the mean time i'll get me s standard 240mm clutch from somewhere. how many splines are in our clutch plate?

[lathiat]

Exedy part number for clutch plate (which many non exedy mnufacturers may be able to use or reference) is MBD-073

[sampsulo]

thanking you millions!

[Beastlee]

We have the Exedy organic unit in the RVR, about a year old and low mileage but it ids slipping in 3rd/4/5th if you load it. Can air in the hydraulic lines cause this?

[Nutter_John]

iirc the RVR uses a pull clucth so with air in the system it will make no difference as by default the clutch cover is locked against the pressure plate until you release it with pressing the pedal

[Beastlee]

Bugger, that's both cars knackered then, was hoping it was due to the dodgy bleeding we did. If it's not that it's obviously going to be expensive as the clutch can't have worn out already. :(
Oh, well I won't take up any more of this thead.

[Adam.Findlay]

Righto Ive been asked by quite a few people what clutch should they use so here is what I know and what I have done hopefully its usefull to any new members with the same question

Option 1
Evo 7-9 clutch kits fit onto the standard flywheel how ever as the evo pressure plate/clutch cover is physically thicker/deeper when mounted to the vr4 flywheel it hads a chance of snagging and hitting the inside of the bellhousing NOT GOOD! there is evidence of this occouring in other threads
this issue can be avoided by switching to a shallower EVO flywheel in conjunction with evo clutches and one of Nick Mann's flywheel spacer plates this moves the working position of the clutch toward the engine further which stops it hitting on the bell housing. This is option one

Option 2 you can do the easy thing and just buy a clutch meant for a vr4 and not worry about spacers flywheels or the clutch impacting the bell housing and all will be well

Option 3 (what I have done)
I didnt want to use evo stuff as I wasnt to happy with the idea of putting all of the power/strain of the car through a spacer plate (nothing against Nick Mann's product as it has many sucess stories)
nor did I want a standard clutch so I did a bit of research and decided on a EXEDY MBK-7223HDCB (Heavy Duty pressure plate with a cushoned button clutch disc)
and to be on the safe side I looked at the flywheel desgin, it has a flex plate on the back which secures it to the crankshaft, essentially a thick piece of sheet metal, considering I used a heavy duty pressure plate and the fact our cars are pull clutch I thought that that extra force pulling on the pressure plate and therefore pulling the flywheel may cause the flex plate to deform and cause the clutch assembly to move away from the engine causing the same contact with the bell housing as with the evo clutches. this combined with the idea of a lighter flywheel prompted me to get a custom single piece billet flywheel made. this will provide the desired weight and eliminate any chance of the flex plate deforming under the extra load of the new clutch.

here are the pictures of the flywheel and clutch
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[Dom B]

Check out 'competition clutch' they have a big racge of standard to puck clutches and are pretty good value. plenty of people now using them and i haven't found any scare stories yet. I've seen one 450bhp clutch of theirs burn out but the guy was putting just over 600bhp through it drifiting so probably to be expected.

[Marklar]

I have put an Exedy HDCB on the standard flywheel. Thought about a lightened but felt that I would probably want to to change the final gear ratio, first and second I find are all ready pretty quick changes.

[Kenneth]

Yeah, it helps to change the gear set and put in a Evo 2.785 1st and 1.95 2nd. I find this mod is brilliant and wouldn't go back unless I had no other choice.

[Beastlee]

The RVR has a skimmed flywheel but not lightened, with the Evo III box it's very short but 1st and 2nd are particularly short.