Mitsubishi Airtrek

[Subaru ETA]

I also posted this in the New car arrived thread but thought i had better start my own!

out of interest - the lancer GDI turbos anyone know anything about them?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-255816153.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-262183601.htm

has anyone had any experiance with them? i would usually stay away from GDI but with the turbo are they different?

if i had the money, this would be sitting in my carport...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Mitsubishi/auction-255943016.htm

[bradc]

http://media.mitsubishi-motors.com/pressrelease/e/products/detail446.html

They don't have a massive amount of power. They would feel like an n/a 2.0-2.2 engine I reckon. And of course they'll need 98 octane.

I'd stick with a 2.0 turbo or 2.4 n/a airtrek. Or even one of the 3.0 v6 outlanders if you could afford it. They are a genuinely superb car with a super smooth engine and gearbox.

[Subaru ETA]

yeah i had read that before but are those power figures just for the pajero version? i mean would th epajero be detuned?

i may take one for a strop and see what i goes like :D

[bradc]

http://www.goo-net.com/catalog/MITSUBISHI/LANCER_WAGON/10025932/index.html

Basically the same amount of power.

Also going down to a fwd 4 cylinder makes jesus cry

[VR4WGN]

so power ratio compared to the Mivec v6 of mine would be??

[bradc]

Q, your Legnum would be a bit faster once above 6000rpm.

[OnBoost!]

if i had the money, this would be sitting in my carport...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Mitsubishi/auction-255943016.htm


Yeah me too,like the look of that Evolution Wagon.

[VR4WGN]

Q, your Legnum would be a bit faster once above 6000rpm.

Nice...

:rabbit:

[Gly]

guy here at work test drove one, was a very dissipointing, lacked power, felt like a 1600 in a over weight car

[Ryan]

Whichever way one looks at it, it is a definite step down from a VR-4. In fact, not a step - probably a sheer drop.

[Adie]

A friend of mine brought one of these last year, his last car was a 1.8 GDI legnum so I guess it's a step up from that! and he is very happy with it. Although every time i put my hand up to be sober driver he is the first person to shotgun my car, and always says as soon as he is in the car can we go fast!

I would consider having one of these as my next car as my next car may not be a performance car and defiantly wont be modified!

[Subaru ETA]

yeah not seriously considering it - bit too small for my liking. however they do look good and thought it would be worth a try, see what they go like

[Rossco Type-S]

I haven't driven one, but I do know that the ECU is reflashable on them, so you could tune them to run on 98 and minimise the usual GDI issues.

Not sure what kind of power would be gained by a reflash.

But at the end of the day, doesn't matter what you do to the engine, it will still be 4wd and a 4sp auto. Would be big $$ to go to an EVO drivetrain.

[Subaru ETA]

well i had signed all the paper work yesterday to trade my car and was about to hand over the money when they turned around and said "o by the way, we can only give you half of what we first said as a trade on your car..."

needless to say the vr4 is still in the driveway

[Turbo_Steve]

Evo Wagon FTW.

Though the Vr4 engine sounds muuuch nicer.

[Subaru ETA]

BTW it was for an airtrek not a cedia wagon!

[Gly]

d!ckheads what was the original offer for the galant as a trade??

[bradc]

I'm keen to know too.

[mattnz]

Lol, they just tried to lowball you!

[Subaru ETA]

$6500 which i was more then happy with. then it was $6000 which i was still happy with....then it was $3500...thats when i told them to stick it

[fuel]

which car yard is this? will make a note to avoid them.

[Subaru ETA]

discount city in new lynn

[fuel]

I generally avoid places named like that or 'wholesale cars' when their prices are just as much retail as any other yard.

[KiwiTT]

$6500 which i was more then happy with. then it was $6000 which i was still happy with....then it was $3500...thats when i told them to stick itI think a lot of second-hand car dealers work on the premise of a minimum of $3,000 margin per car. Hence the low-ball offer, to ensure they would get it when they sold it.

I wouldn't even let mine go for $10,000+. While I am realistic to know it worth about $5-7 on the open market. This is because the "open-market" does not know what a VR-4 really is, like we do. i.e. a "High-Performance Sports Sedan", comparable to cars 2/3/5/10/20 x it's price.

Seriously ... you should review your decision to let it go.

[elnevio]

Bandits! :mask:


Keeping it sounds like a good idea, though. /yes /rally

[bradc]

You and I both know Dave that you won't get anything extra for the grey carbon dash over a wood grain if you're trading it.

It would be a shame to let a dash like that go to a dealership who will just sell it to some loser who won't appreciate it.

Keep it in the club....pm me :)

[OnBoost!]

Haha $3500,they were dreaming,they would have probably put a sticker price of 8 to 9k on it.

[Subaru ETA]

You and I both know Dave that you won't get anything extra for the grey carbon dash over a wood grain if you're trading it.

It would be a shame to let a dash like that go to a dealership who will just sell it to some loser who won't appreciate it.

Keep it in the club....pm me :)

lol...if i sell it privatly it will go with the dash. if i trade it i may consider taking it out :p do you have a wood grain one i could swap it with?

[Ryan]

I used to Dave but I binned it, was making me feel queasy every time I looked at it. Not much help, I know... just glad to be rid of it!

[bradc]

I've got two full sets of woodgrain!

[Subaru ETA]

I think a lot of second-hand car dealers work on the premise of a minimum of $3,000 margin per car. Hence the low-ball offer, to ensure they would get it when they sold it.

I wouldn't even let mine go for $10,000+. While I am realistic to know it worth about $5-7 on the open market. This is because the "open-market" does not know what a VR-4 really is, like we do. i.e. a "High-Performance Sports Sedan", comparable to cars 2/3/5/10/20 x it's price.

Seriously ... you should review your decision to let it go.

my way of thinking is that it is time to let a car go when mantaining it cost more then what is worth! its a 13yo car with 170k on the clock. Plus i have owned it for 4 years so its time for a change.

that said i havent actually spent THAT much money on mantaining it because i do it myself

[KiwiTT]

RE: my way of thinking is that it is time to let a car go when mantaining it cost more then what is worth!

I thought the same, but that was until I got the VR-4. This car is just worth far more than the market will ever recognise and a well maintained one like mine (or yours) will last. Essentially, if I am spending $2-3K a year on keeping it running on average, it is cheaper than replacing it with a newish car @ $20K, which will depreciate at a similar rate if not more (plus the cost of maintenance again). While it is not a "classic" per se, it is one of the best cars in the "bang-for-buck" measure. At least, the depreciation on ours will slow considerably, now that it is worth next to nothing :D

[Ryan]

I'm keeping mine! /yes

[scott.mohekey]

Ditto!

[Subaru ETA]

went and had a look at this today
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Mitsubishi/auction-237626157.htm

when i get there i see it straight away and it actually has $14990 on the window. i look closer and its done 130k.

they admit that they cocked up the trade me and - ok cool.

then the boss takes my car for a drive. when he brings it back he says "ill gove you $6000 for it" right that sounds reasonable.

so when i say "right soill need to come up with $8990" he says.. wait for it...
"no...you need to come up with $11990...."

when i said WTF?!!? his response was "O the actual price is $17990. the window price is less the min $3000 trade in!"

so when i said "so really you are goiving me $3000" he said "pfft you are lucky to get that, these vr4's are ticking time bombs...esp the trans..."

this coming from the guy who had a forester and a holden statesman with around 200,000km for $17000. i said "pfft i think half the **** on your yard are ticking time bombs"...

as i started my car up he said "o so are you bringing your wife in this weekend to have a look at it??

needless to say i did a 5k launch and got all 4 spinning leaving him in a cloud of smoke :D

[scott.mohekey]

That goes against the fair trading act, surely. it was advertised on trademe at a certain price, so they have to honour that don't they?

[Ryan]

Sounds like a tool either way... yet another car yard blackmarked on my list. Dave is doing us a service here /Devil5

[Rossco Type-S]

went and had a look at this today
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Mitsubishi/auction-237626157.htm

when i get there i see it straight away and it actually has $14990 on the window. i look closer and its done 130k.

they admit that they cocked up the trade me and - ok cool.

then the boss takes my car for a drive. when he brings it back he says "ill gove you $6000 for it" right that sounds reasonable.

so when i say "right soill need to come up with $8990" he says.. wait for it...
"no...you need to come up with $11990...."

when i said WTF?!!? his response was "O the actual price is $17990. the window price is less the min $3000 trade in!"

so when i said "so really you are goiving me $3000" he said "pfft you are lucky to get that, these vr4's are ticking time bombs...esp the trans..."

this coming from the guy who had a forester and a holden statesman with around 200,000km for $17000. i said "pfft i think half the **** on your yard are ticking time bombs"...

as i started my car up he said "o so are you bringing your wife in this weekend to have a look at it??

needless to say i did a 5k launch and got all 4 spinning leaving him in a cloud of smoke :D


You could get an 05 with low Kms for 17,990!

[Subaru ETA]

You could get an 05 with low Kms for 17,990!

my thoughts exactly!

not being raciest or anything but i can see how pacific island people get conned into retarded finance deals which they could never afford to pay back! i mean, alot of people must fall for this crap!

[Subaru ETA]

i thought his comment about the trans was esp retarded considering he had just driven it.....he must of missed the fact its manual!

[KiwiTT]

http://www.motorama.co.nz/stock-list.html - also says $14,990

There's that magic $3,000 again :D

Interestingly, you may remember my story (http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2535) with buyrightcars (http://www.buyrightcars.co.nz/).
I decided to look again on the web when I spotted the VR-4 on the web for $16,995. What a bargain, no more looking at a FTO. Get the Dealers website up saw it there for $18,995. Hmmm $2,000 off, suppose I better see it in the flesh. Wow, at the lot the sticker price was $15,995 another $1,000 cheaper. Is there something wrong with it I ask. No says the dealer, he's got new stock arriving soon so needed some space, so put a few cars on special. What a bargain I thought, better get serious on negotiation. CASH buyer and all that. Ended up getting it for $14,995 + cost of warranty and car alarm. The prices went in the right direction.

If the VR-4 must go, you could consider this one.
http://www.buyrightcars.co.nz/Vehicle_Detail_15.aspx?CategoryId=&pageId=2&ProductId=416389

[bradc]

I will head in there tomorrow if I can and try to buy it for $11,990.

[Subaru ETA]

that would be interesting if you could brad - see what they say!

and richard - i have seen that one but it looks abit G unit with that kit and those wheels for my liking!

[KiwiTT]

Fair enough ... plus it's an auto.

I'd really question that car or any car from motorama. Seems really dodgy top me.

Both me and my brother have had a good releationship with buyright cars. Even when my car had to be recalled years ago, more than 12 months after purchase they still offered me a loner car.

You could contact Buyright and see what might be coming in.

[Subaru ETA]

im actually going in there tomorrow to have a look around

[bradc]

And myself, William, Carsten and Kenneth have all bought cars from them, as well as one of my friends from work.

[Subaru ETA]

well went to buy right cars panmure - didnt really have much there.

although i would haqve to say the sales man was the best i have come across - no pressure or anything.

i asked him about the GDI turbo lancers and his response was that they are slow and just feel like a 2L.

I asked him about the stageas aswell and his response was that the old one was better. the new v6 turbo was quite disapointing. he reckons that a airtrek turbo would leave it for dead

[KiwiTT]

I got mine from Western Springs ... I beleve there may also be one in Manukau.

[Subaru ETA]

western springs branch moved to panmure

[bradc]

Yep. Their original yard is in Manukau on Great South Rd and there is one out in Botany. Fast 4's is now at their old yard in Western Springs.

[Gly]

buy right in manukau = balls, the guys a penis smoking turd pusher.

got mine from the western springs guys, much better to deal with.

[Gly]

Fair enough ... plus it's an auto.



there all auto i believe, they dont come factory manual at all

[Rossco Type-S]

there all auto i believe, they dont come factory manual at all


Correct. There are a few that have been converted to manual.

[SquattingDog]

O rly? So Club VR4 is soon to become Club Airtrek?! :P Seriously guys, why are you looking at flicking the VR4's?

[KiwiTT]

why are you looking at flicking the VR4's?I know ... can't understand it either.

[Subaru ETA]

Getting old and getting over it....
i do all the work on my own cars being a mechanic by trade and its just not an overly easy car to work on.

im after something later model. we do alot of traveling and the airtrek is good for this. you are higher off the ground but it feels like you are driving a car.

also the wife goes to alot of clients and she uses the vr4. not really a **** hot look rolling up in a lowered car with 3inch exhaust that goes PSSSSHHHHT as she drives off :P

i still really like the vr4 but its time for a change. i have owned this one for 4 years and owned a st-r for 2 years before that

[Rossco Type-S]

why are you looking at flicking the VR4's?

I still like my VR4 but it is 9 or 10 years old and has almost 100,000kms... so it was time to modernise and an Airtrek was pretty much all you are left with when you want a performance wagon don't want to touch a Suabaru. Would have liked an Evo 9 wagon, but they are too pricey... Probably my next car

[bradc]

Keep the VR-4 and buy an ST-R for Jess :)

[Turbo_Steve]

Airtrek
Newer
Better fuel economy
Cheaper to tune
Roomier (ish)
Higher Up (for her)
Fast (for him)
Same lovely autobox (for brad)

VR4
Better looking
Much MUCH nicer engine sound
Sportier handling
Superior grip levels
Better brakes (yes!)

[KiwiTT]

i still really like the vr4 but its time for a change. i have owned this one for 4 years and owned a st-r for 2 years before thatHmmm I have owned mine for 6+ and still feel chuffed and proud I own it.

Why ?
VR4
Better looking
Much MUCH nicer engine sound
Sportier handling
Superior grip levels
Better brakes (yes!)And for some good advice

Keep the VR-4 and buy "whatever she likes" for Jess :)

[Subaru ETA]

i have plans of doing up an old holden for myself. so for the time being jess will drive the airtrek and ill drive the primera.

rossco hit the nail on the head - for the sort of money you pay for an airtrek, there isnt really much out there apart from subbies. the airtrek is in the right price range and i would have to say the ones i have driven handle very well..and brake well!! some clown changed lanes in front of me on a road test while i was..lets say testing its performance and it pulled up very well!

[KiwiTT]

Any particular one. Our family used to have one of these
http://uniquecars.carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/portal/alias__uniquecarsau/tabID__203009/ArticleID__5961/DesktopDefault.aspx

[Subaru ETA]

not that old! poss a HZ ute or a VK - VL. i want to build a v8 for one

[KiwiTT]

I think the VC/VH were lighter :D

[Rossco Type-S]

Airtrek
Newer
Better fuel economy
Cheaper to tune
Roomier (ish)
Higher Up (for her)
Fast (for him)
Same lovely autobox (for brad)

VR4
Better looking
Much MUCH nicer engine sound
Sportier handling
Superior grip levels
Better brakes (yes!)

I disagree with an Airtrek being roomier (if compared to a Legnum). And fuel economy is only barely better.

I also disagree with the VR4 having superior grip levels. I would rate them quite even in that regard and that is with Airtreks having factory 215/60/16 tyres.

And finally brakes are way better in an Airtrek

[Turbo_Steve]

My VR4 has Evo 8 wheels and tyres on it (so admittedly it's modified) but I am confident it will destroy an airtrek in a corner: AYC makes a HUUUUUGE difference. Admittedly, you're correct that this is traction rather than grip, however simple physics is enough to show that the VR4 has a lower centre of gravity and as such will be more stable under cornering.

I'll contact an airtrek owner and we can find out!

Don't get me wrong: I am not knocking the airtrek: in fact I am sorely tempted by one!

As for the braking thing - maybe. I've only driven one, so the brakes may not have been 100%, however I strongly suspect they won't handle the sort of abuse the VR4 brakes will on a track (and that's not saying that the VR4 brakes are anything special! - they're not!)

The Airtrek is an awesome family car, and the big windows, more-modern styling (inside and out) and high celing all contribute to a roomy feeling cabin.

It's also cheaper to modify than the VR4.

It's heavily endowed with WIN, it's just a subtly different proposition to the VR4.

I'm sorry if I came across as bashing the Airtrek - I am not!

[miller]

I wouldnt put the Airtrek into a corner at any more than 70% of what i would with the VR4.

Simples.

After that its simply an awesome car, beautifull to drive and very smirk satisfying knowing its potential! Mine is debaged and im betting 99% of road users havent a clue what it is

[Subaru ETA]

is it bad that i have already starting getting quotes for a re flash etc before i have even found an airtrek to buy?? :p

[miller]

is it bad that i have already starting getting quotes for a re flash etc before i have even found an airtrek to buy?? :p

Nope thats very sensible, as in stock form they will feel sluggish compared to the VR4, thats until you realise you need to be in 6000rpm upwards band!

and that its a 4pot!

Mine badly needs the reflash! I need to save the pence to send it to Ben!

[Subaru ETA]

going to go have a look at this one -

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Mitsubishi/auction-264028672.htm

[Turbo_Steve]

Reflash, some minor exhaust tweaks......maybe an intercooler......and eventually a nice big TD05-18G :D

[Adie]

going to go have a look at this one -

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Mitsubishi/auction-264028672.htm

From the pics in the ad, the K's and the price without seeing it, but comparing it to the others you have shown ad's for it seems to be top of the barrel imo.

Hope the car yard doesn't try stiff you on price/trade in this time:)

Out of curiosity does anyone know what turbos these use? and what they boost standard?

[miller]

They are a TDO4-13 i think and boost .8bar as stock i think


hmmm whats $14k in GBP? IS that a lot?

anyways! Snap with the silver Airtrek!

[miller]

Here is where all the Airtrekers of theis world hang out, theres plenty of knowledge in here!

http://airtreker.com/forum/

[Adie]

They are a TDO4-13 i think and boost .8bar as stock i think


hmmm whats $14k in GBP? IS that a lot?



Cheers thanks for that:)

It GBP it works out to be this much
13,999.00 NZD

=

6,214.24 GBP

[Subaru ETA]

for those who are interested....

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.nz/vehicles/archive/Airtrek5214-web.pdf

[KiwiTT]

Global Prestige Cars

^^ Yeah, they buy cars from car yards.
I posted your experience on another forum here (http://www.gpforums.co.nz/showthread.php?postid=6774989#post6774989)

Here is another point of view

Is that the one down on the Strand in Parnell? Next to the shell servo? If so, then they (if still owned by the same family) are one of the best importers around, they only ever bring in high grade stock from Japan, they are ultra fussy & of course they pay more for the stock, hence you do. As mentioned, if its the same owners & they are doing what they have always done, then you got it wrong.

RE: Motorama

what he did is called "hydraulicing" (sp). From my time as a car dealer it was made abundantly clear that this was an illegal activity & we could get in major **** for it. What the window card states or advertised price, is the price. The reason for it is finance companies have been caught out in the past, its obviously a way of showing a deposit or at least a larger one. As has been mentioned Enterprise cars (and a few others) have been doing it for years, the only way they get around it obviously having the load built into the window price off the bat.

[Rossco Type-S]

Nope thats very sensible, as in stock form they will feel sluggish compared to the VR4, thats until you realise you need to be in 6000rpm upwards band!

I find the VR4 sluggish compared to the Airtrek. My VR4 is tipronic though, yours might be manual.

[Rossco Type-S]

They are a TDO4-13 i think and boost .8bar as stock i think


hmmm whats $14k in GBP? IS that a lot?

anyways! Snap with the silver Airtrek!

Bigger than that TD04-16T 1.0 bar in 1st and 2nd 1.3bar in 3rd, 4th and 5th.

[bradc]

Heh, nahh Miller's is an auto. Imagine how much faster it would be again than a manual :)

What does a stock Airtrek do on a Dyno?

[miller]

VITAL STATISTICS
Model Mitsubishi Airtrek Turbo-R
Engine type Four cylinders, turbo, 1997cc
Power 240bhp @ 5500rpm
Torque 253 lb ft @ 2500rpm
Transmission Five-speed automatic
Suspension (front and rear) MacPherson struts, lower wishbones, coil springs, anti-roll bar
Tyres 215/60 R16
Fuel 22.7mpg (combined)
Co2 238g/km
Dimensions 4465mm length; 1750mm width; 1540mm height
Acceleration 0 to 60mph: 6sec
Top speed 120mph
Insurance Group 17
Price £22,995

[Subaru ETA]

going to go have a look at this one -

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Mitsubishi/auction-264028672.htm

all things going well i should own this one tomorrow :D

[KiwiTT]

If you must ... well done. It looks good and the dealer looks good too.

Hey at least it is silver like mine. :D
note: I think mine should be "real" silver after my last service and repair.

[bradc]

That one does look very clean. Are you giving me the carbon dash?

[Subaru ETA]

yup i went in there today and the sales man was very straight up. he wouldnt trade my car however because he said that he would probably insult me with the price. he did give me a decent cash price for the airtrek which im happy with. just gotta get teh old man in there tomorrow to give it a check over body wise.

so next week i should have 2 mitsis.... for sale thread will be updated as soon as i know this has gone ahead

[Subaru ETA]

im not trading it brad so not at the moment sorry... i think that having it will help selling it, even if it doesnt get me any extra money

[Rossco Type-S]

all things going well i should own this one tomorrow :D


Nice.

Before you do anything else change the fuel pump and the factory BOV, the factory ones are rubbish and don't handle any tuning at all.

[miller]

Nice! Get some pics up! In fact i think we needs a seperate 'Silver Airtrek' thread!!



Mike

[Subaru ETA]

do you think we should start our own club? :p i pick it up tuesday :D

[miller]

do you think we should start our own club? :p i pick it up tuesday :D

I think at this rate we at least deserve our own room/sub forum on CVR4 :chugchug:

[Subaru ETA]

could a red person change the name of this thread?

any of you who have got airtreks, do you have mmcs? mine does so im just trying to find a 'map' to work out how to move around it

[Subaru ETA]

well its parked in the driveway - salesman called and it was ready this arvo :D

[Rossco Type-S]

well its parked in the driveway - salesman called and it was ready this arvo :D

Cool. Planning upgrades already?

[Subaru ETA]

ummm not at the moment.. ill get the sounds sorted first. the MDS system in it is pretty cool (like mmcs but touch screen and the radio doesnt run through it)

ill put the boot tee in it once i have fitted a boost gauge. then ill get it remapped

[Ryan]

Nice :)

[KiwiTT]

but still a :3d: /grouphug

/rally :mexicanwav
/applaude

[White Lightning]

could a red person change the name of this thread?

Done.

[Rossco Type-S]

ummm not at the moment.. ill get the sounds sorted first. the MDS system in it is pretty cool (like mmcs but touch screen and the radio doesnt run through it)

ill put the boot tee in it once i have fitted a boost gauge. then ill get it remapped


Boot tee?

Have you got someone in mind for the remapping?

[Ryan]

Think he probably meant to say "boost tee", a Turbosmart MBC /yes

[OnBoost!]

So the VR4 is gone now?

[KiwiTT]

I think it is still for sale :(

[Rossco Type-S]

Think he probably meant to say "boost tee", a Turbosmart MBC /yes

lol. Now that you mention it that is kind of obvious.

No real need for a MBC as you can raise the boost through the reflash. I guess it could be useful if you want hi/lo boost though.

Factory BOV will probably throw its toys when you raise the boost.

[Ryan]

Hmmm, these Airtrek's are gaining appeal.

[Rossco Type-S]

Hmmm, these Airtrek's are gaining appeal.


Yeah the ability to reflash using the very cheap EvoScan program is a huge selling point. Especially as the transmission is on the same ECU, so you can improve the shift times etc at the same time.

[Ryan]

Another question... is there a stock ATF cooler, if so is it the same one found on a VR-4?

[miller]

Another question... is there a stock ATF cooler, if so is it the same one found on a VR-4?

I havent had chance to nosey round underneath at the ATF setup. I will need to soon as mine is due a gearbox flush etc

Im also hoping to change the TMIC to a FMIC maybe availing of my standard VR4 intercooler.


Mike

[Rossco Type-S]

:laugh:
Another question... is there a stock ATF cooler, if so is it the same one found on a VR-4?

It certainly has a cooler, the same as an Evo 7 GTA, not sure if that is the same as a VR4.

Later Airtreks had two transmission coolers

[Ryan]

This may seem a daft question but are they AWD or FWD?

[miller]

Awd!

[Rossco Type-S]

To those with Airtreks, you want to order a set of these as the stock ones are almost certain to cause a boost leak at or before 80,000kms

http://www.streettunedmotorsports.com/parts/milspec_evo_throttle_body_shaft_seals.htm

These are a hell of a lot better than the OEM part

[Subaru ETA]

yup ill be sorting out a reflash when $$ allows. torque performance have given me quotes on what they can do to it. at the moment tho ill just fit the turbosmart boost tee.

mine has MDS in it which is cool. i have been playing around with it and you can do things like bring up a worm graph of how fast you have been going!!

i still have the vr4 - its parked at my parents place at the mo. in the weekend im going to pull out of it stuff i want for the airtrek like battery etc, give it a clean and then it will be for sale.

[Rossco Type-S]

mine has MDS in it which is cool. i have been playing around with it and you can do things like bring up a worm graph of how fast you have been going!!



Really cool until it is used in court as evidence against you!

[Subaru ETA]

lol..it has a reset button :p

[SquattingDog]

yup ill be sorting out a reflash when $$ allows. torque performance have given me quotes on what they can do to it. at the moment tho ill just fit the turbosmart boost tee.

mine has MDS in it which is cool. i have been playing around with it and you can do things like bring up a worm graph of how fast you have been going!!

i still have the vr4 - its parked at my parents place at the mo. in the weekend im going to pull out of it stuff i want for the airtrek like battery etc, give it a clean and then it will be for sale.

I have a spare OpenPort 1.3U cable which may do the trick on your Airtrek, if you're keen. Its for sale.

I can give you some pointers too, if you're not familiar with flashing.

[Rossco Type-S]

I have a spare OpenPort 1.3U cable which may do the trick on your Airtrek, if you're keen. Its for sale.

I can give you some pointers too, if you're not familiar with flashing.

How much are you looking for the cable? Also is it just datalogging or is it reflash as well?

[miller]

Wheelbase dims for those who havent seen this and also the official Mitsubishi Brochure. Forgive me if this has been posted already!

Cheers

Mike

[Subaru ETA]

first impresions -

it doesnt have the throw you back in your seat feel the vr4 does (that said im running just over 15psi in my vr4) however if you look at the speedo as you floor it the speedo does rise very rapidly! i was reading that it has 343nm of torque at 2500rpm! so you can imagine that acceleration is pretty quick. i havent taken it on the open road yet but i would imagine it would be very handy for overtaking.

transmision is very smooth - cannot fault the gearshift! plus the tiptronic is very responsive. im still going to do a trans service on it asap just so i know where i am at with it.

handling - as said i havent taken it on a open road yet, however i have thrown it into some corners pretty quick and it seems to be well poised.

the MDS system is pretty cool - at the moent i have it showing the volt metre, distance to empty, average speed and km/l. it has quite a few features including service history, organiser, graphs of you trip etc. its in jap obviously but im look for a walk through to work it all out.

in the next week or so im going to give it a birthday - oil change, spark plugs and driveline fluids. to do the spark plugs i have to take the intercooler off, but that in only a couple of bolts so no dramas.

ill get some pics up when i get around to taking some!

[miller]

Yes your right, i get the exact same feeling, like you need to be 2500rpm for it to feel like its fast!

Im still looking to Amsoil my ATF as soon as i can.

Anyways...just spotted this on ebay uk!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2002-Mitsubishi-airtrek-Turbo_W0QQitemZ310198205556QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAuto mobiles_UK?hash=item483940fc74

[Subaru ETA]

i like the rallirt bit on the tailgate and the ralliart grill. i have actually email someone from trade me about a rallart grill and am awaiting a response

[Ryan]

Sounds like fun Dave and by the sounds of things, easier to change the plugs too!

Don't be shy with the pictures. I'm especially interested in that MDS system.

[Rossco Type-S]

first impresions -

it doesnt have the throw you back in your seat feel the vr4 does (that said im running just over 15psi in my vr4) however if you look at the speedo as you floor it the speedo does rise very rapidly! i was reading that it has 343nm of torque at 2500rpm! so you can imagine that acceleration is pretty quick. i havent taken it on the open road yet but i would imagine it would be very handy for overtaking.

handling - as said i havent taken it on a open road yet, however i have thrown it into some corners pretty quick and it seems to be well poised.



Comparing factory and factory the Airtreks feel faster until about 5,000rpm, then the VR4 feels faster.

Handling wise the Airtrek has the better chassis so isn't pushed to the limit until trying to take bends quite a bit faster. Of course once you reach the limit, the VR4 has AYC compared to a mechanical LSD in the Airtrek. Because of the lower centre of gravity, it is alot easier to throw a VR4 around a 90 degree city street at 50km/h

[bow dn]

Dude ur on the right track with the Commodore thats a good move across... and the best thing about a Vl commie is all the bigger skyline braks etc fit so you can put a huge 8 in hahaha

[Subaru ETA]

took the airtrek up to mangawhai last night. i was vey happy with its over taking ability. plus when i got up the ass of someone...they pulled over!! must be the fact there was a big car behind them with the headlights shining in on them!

i was very pleased with the tiptronic in it too. shift time was close to instant and it was good not having to take my hands off the wheel to do it.

i drive up there all the time and i did find myself getting into some of the corners a bit too quick (how i would drive the galant). id say i could throw it into a corner at about 85% of the pace i can the vr4.

overall i am very pleased with the way it goes. a very smooth, refined ride

[Ryan]

Nice one Dave, glad that it meets your expectations. What is the stock wheel and tyre size?

[Rossco Type-S]

Nice one Dave, glad that it meets your expectations. What is the stock wheel and tyre size?


They are 215/60R16, so going to 17s or 18s really improves handling

[Ryan]

Thanks :) Would EVO VII wheels fit for example?

[Rossco Type-S]

i was very pleased with the tiptronic in it too. shift time was close to instant and it was good not having to take my hands off the wheel to do it.



You can reflash it to be even quicker though. Detracts from the smoothness a little though because it makes the auto shifts faster and more noticeable as well, but only under load.

Do you find that left in Auto, it gets a little "confused" by hills with the torque converter switching in and out of lock up? Again this is reflashable.

[Rossco Type-S]

Thanks :) Would EVO VII wheels fit for example?

Yeah but the rolling diameter would be different if you used the same tyres so the speedo wouldn't be accurate.

That being said, I have seen several on trademe with Evo 7 wheels and tyres

[bradc]

235/50/17 is 2mm in diameter bigger than stock. 235/45/18 is about 4mm bigger.

[miller]

Do you find that left in Auto, it gets a little "confused" by hills with the torque converter switching in and out of lock up? Again this is reflashable.


Wow is this true? I had put it down to having to rev the 4pot to make it change up!

Under what part of flashing is it changed? How easy is it?


Cheers

Mike

[Rossco Type-S]

Wow is this true? I had put it down to having to rev the 4pot to make it change up!

Under what part of flashing is it changed? How easy is it?


Cheers

Mike

I am not sure how easy it is. The guy who has been doing my tuning has tuned lots of Airtreks, and it took him a few years to perfect all of the gear box tweaks.

Of course once you have the map, the flashing is easy.

Do you have a flashing cable?

[raph]

Guys( UK) the Outlander Turbo was also sold in the EU--with a Manual gearbox!

look http://www.autoscout24.de/Details.aspx?id=vrmdl3wnvmec

[miller]

Of course once you have the map, the flashing is easy.

Do you have a flashing cable?


Not personally but know someone who does!

[SquattingDog]

Airtrek
Newer

Yes


Better fuel economy

Hell no, same fuel economy, on the track my RVR (same engine as the Airtrek) guzzled 45L in ~150KMs, daily driving it sucks down 45L to 330 - 350KMs...VR4s use just as much, but not more (barely if any).

Remember that the 4G63T is the most fuel INefficient 4-cylinder engine ever developed in the world. It's just damn strong and can make big power, which is why people (I'd say WE, but this IS a rather 6A13TT biased forum haha) love it. ;)


Cheaper to tune

Cheaper than a PFL, yes, same price as a FL to tune if you're EVOScanning/ECUFlashing it up


Roomier (ish)

Not really, much the same


Higher Up (for her)

Yes, until you drop it to it's knees ;)


Fast (for him)

No, until you turn up the boost, throw a front-mount at it, drop in a larger turbo, injectors...you get the picture ;) Mind you, same goes for a VR4, and the Airtrek is probably ~100kg lighter....definitely torqier stock with the TD04-15T.


Same lovely autobox (for brad)

This is a PLUS? Get a manual/manual conversion kit f*** autos!



VR4
Better looking

This is personal preference, the look of the Airtrek is growing on me. The VR4 looks good, but it's very 1998.


Much MUCH nicer engine sound

4G63T FTW, love the 4G's sound so have to disagree with you :P


Sportier handling

Out of the box, yes indeed


Superior grip levels

Mainly due to a better factory suspension set up, and lower centre of gravity, but yes


Better brakes (yes!)

NO! They use nearly identical brakes with (almost) the same sized rotors and calipers.

But still, why sell one to buy the other. Sidegrading imo. Still to each his own, I can understand the whole "I want something newer" and "looks bad for clients when she goes vrrrmmm pssshh" - hell I feel the same way about my RVR lol.

Resolution:

Keep the VR4
Buy the Airtrek

Use the Airtrek as a daily and the VR4 as a weekend warrior

OR

VR4 for you
Airtrek for her

Yes the Airtrek has a roomier engine bay, but it's not that wonderful to work in either. Get a Mirage GL 1.3L hatch if you want a roomy engine bay ;)

[bradc]

Weight of an NZ new auto Airtrek is 1520kg, so about 50kg lighter than an Auto Legnum.

[miller]

Seeing as we are taking individual points........


(same engine as the Airtrek)
Technically its not, lots of different bits and additions since the EVO 1,2,3 &4


Not really, much the same
Yes the Airtrek is roomier than the VR4, dont know about your RVR



This is a PLUS? Get a manual/manual conversion kit f*** autos!
Oh another person who has ended up in the wrong marque due to stupidity and/or financial reasons. Please go and visit your EVO forums and rant about sh1t autos, frankly your view on that isnt fair or welcome on the VR4 forums.

[bradc]

Lol Mike, I haven't ended up with a manual for financial reasons, I have spent a lot of money over the years making sure that all of my cars are manual :) You know I think your views on manuals are 'further out there' than my views on autos.

[miller]

rant deleted

your not worth it Brad

[bradc]

Lol, you take things WAY too seriously :) I can laugh at myself, remember the thread where I broke the selectors on my green car? I posted that up just so I could get a laugh from all of the replies. I did however fix it for free in about 20 minutes :)

If your auto gearbox ever dies, I suggest you keep it quiet, because I will have a lot of fun with it :)

As I've said before, the VR-4 auto is one of the best autos ever, in tip mode it is brilliant, but it still isn't as good as a manual box, the extra 7% power at the wheels, much shorter gearing and 50kg less weight make a VR-4 with a manual gearbox a lot more frantic and fun to drive. I've done about 45,000km in auto VR-4's, and around 65,000km in my first Legnum, an auto GDI I bought back in 2003, and I love the autos, I really do, but personally I prefer the manuals for the reasons above, and their increased reliability.

[miller]

you see i accept your views on autos, what i dont accept is your constantly chirping and downing attitude to all auto owners. You are alienating 95% of this forum in doing so.
I miss driving a manual car from time to time, then I get in the VR4 and it is just sooooo good all round package.

If my auto ever breaks you will be the first to know dont worry Brad! I look after it though so there is no reason it should ever break.

Mike

[miller]

anyways Brad, i must stop ranting now, my good lady has a stack of pancakes ready for me on the table!

[bradc]

I don't diss auto owners, I just point out every so often when a new user posts that they should be aware that at times for no apparent reason they autos can blow up, even if they are well maintained. Witness Ariadne.

Now if you English weren't so focused on whinging about things, you'd try and find fixes for things that regularly break in the autos like the wave spring, which is what a few people in Aussie have recently perfected so that their autos don't just go pop for no reason.

[miller]

Now if you English weren't so focused on whinging about things, you'd try and find fixes for things that regularly break in the autos

Now you have offended me..............

[Atik]

In case you didnt know Brad, Mike is Scottish :whistle:

[bradc]

Does that mean his surname is Llwelyn?

[AlanDITD]

Does that mean his surname is Llwelyn?

no that would be welsh you dumb tree!

[bradc]

I know that :)

[miller]

all you colonials pipe down.....especially you NZ'rs at the back!



/catfight


:chugchug:

[Ryan]

all you colonials pipe down.....especially you NZ'rs at the back!



/catfight


:chugchug:

Ahem - weren't you also a colonial at one stage Mike? :book:

[miller]

Ahem - weren't you also a colonial at one stage Mike? :book:

me personally no, ancestors never accepted it either. Union Jack/St George never flew from the GPO and doesnt make up any of our national flag!


Anyways, i digress.....Rossco have you had yours remapped then? Whats the difference after it?

[Ryan]

Apologies, how ignorant of me, upon a more thorough reading of Irish history of course they (Ireland) weren't :chugchug:

It doesn't makeup a part of my national flag either - at least... any more. :guitarist

[Johny]

so how similar is the engine and gearbox in this to the gt-a?

[Rossco Type-S]

so how similar is the engine and gearbox in this to the gt-a?

Engine (block and internals) and gearbox are identical.

Manifolds - intake and exhaust are different.

Turbo/intercooler etc are different.

Injectors are 450cc vs 510cc

Cams are the same.

Airbox is the same, but the MAF is different.

I believe the throttle assembly is the same, but I am not 100% sure.

[Johny]

very interesting

[miller]

Rossco have you had yours flashed yet? did it make a big difference?

[Ryan]

Rossco have you had yours flashed yet? did it make a big difference?

I seem to remember reading somewhere that he had? 180kW atw IIRC.

[Rossco Type-S]

Rossco have you had yours flashed yet? did it make a big difference?

Yes it did, especially the gearbox changes.

But then I developed a boost leak in the BOV, and now I am having some other issue, it appears that the wastegate actuator has crapped itself. Alternatively, the ECU may be in "safe" mode, but the engine light is not on, and it has never given any fault codes.

Until I can sort out the issues, I am running a factory tune.

I am also about to upgrade the injectors to Evo 7 560cc

[Rossco Type-S]

I seem to remember reading somewhere that he had? 180kW atw IIRC.

Correct

[Subaru ETA]

right so i have discovered that all car yards are full of **** wit car sales men who are all the ****en same!!

when i first looked at the car i noticed that the power steering belt was cracked. the saleman tried to tell me that its ok because it passed compliance like that!! i wasnt overly concerned because he would have to update the WOF when he sold it and it would be picked up then (in NZ registered car dealers cannot sell a car with a WOF more then 30 days old)

when we picked the airtrek up jess drove it home. when i jumped in it a couple days later i noticed that the WOF had not been updated. i couldnt get hold of the salesman but i sent him a text. his response was that he had forgotten about it and that if i went my self to get the WOF done he would pay me back. I said no im bringing it back.

so i took it back to him and he said "o i thought you wre going to do the WOF yourself"... after a little argument he booked it into his workshop. i took it there the next day and they failed it ON THE POWER STEERING BELT! i took car car back to the compliance centre who complied it in the first place (name and shame it was Fast track compliance) and i was told to **** off and they were not interested. my old man then contacted his contact at VTNZ who then went down and ripped the staff at the compliance centre a new one.

anyway i took the car back to the car yard with the fail sheet and the salemans response was "so what, I SOLD THE CAR AS IS, WHERE IS"...by law a registered car dealership cannont do this. what i had agreed to was that i would get a good discount cash price if i serviced it myself - i said nothing about the belt.

my argument is that if they had got the WOF updated before they sold the car, which they are required to by law, they would have had to replace the belt anyway!!

so then my old man pulled rank on him (he is a contractor to LTSA) and told him that the car was coming back and i was to get a refund as he had breached the sale agreement which stated it would have a new WOF.

so then yesterday i get a phone call from the salesman and he left a message saying "bring the ****en car in, he will sort the belt and the WOF and i never want to see you or that ****en car again."

SO to make sure he doesnt see me, or anyone else again - AVOID GLOBAL PRESTIGE CARS IN PARNELL!!!

[Ryan]

I'm sorry to hear about this Dave. And yes, my car failed on cracked PAS and alternator belt too so obviously it is a WOF requirement.

I would suggest making a submission to the Consumer Affairs department maybe?
http://www.consumeraffairs.govt.nz/

[miller]

Oh that sucks, hope it doesnt taint your ownership of the Airtrek!

[Subaru ETA]

alternator belt is not a WOF requirement, only the P/S belt. its getting an alarm installed at the moment and then im taking it back. i shell see how we get on and see if any further steps are needed!

[Ryan]

Fair enough - they showed me the condition (fubar) so replaced it anyway :)

That car company sounds like one to avoid nonetheless.

[fuel]

That sucks man and it really doesn't help the reputation of used car dealers.

Yes dealers CAN sell a car without having to honour the CGA or not have to have a WOF less than 28 days old, but only if they sell the car via auction or tender process. This is how dealers can offload their trade ins or cars they don't wish to retail and have people coming back to them. But given your car was on the lot at full retail price, of course there is a bit of bartering involved and if the dealer was sneaky enough he could even claim your offer was a tender, but you could easily argue this isn't the case.

Have a look at both the CIN card you would have signed, and the vehicle offer and sale agreement which both should have been accompanied by their own terms, conditions and clauses. If there is no where on the sale agreement that the vehicle is sold as is and specifically notes that the CGA does not apply to this sale, then the dealer does not have a leg to stand on.

Trust me not all dealers are like this, some of us play by the rules and try and establish a customer base who would come back to us for repeat business.

I've only found a few car yards in Auckland I would happily recommend, and one of them being Millars Car Center out in Henderson, though they don't have many performance cars.

[wintertidenz]

Wow that's really bad, dob them in... if you had to threaten them with getting the place shut down or fined just to get the work done, then it makes you wonder who else has been ripped off by the place.

[Subaru ETA]

welli just got back from the car yard. at first the boss avoided me, but when i picked it up he tried to have a go at me.... so i decided to make quite a scene in front of all his customers. :D

so my advice is STAY AWAY FROM GLOBAL PRESTIGE IN PARNELL...THEY ARE A BUNCH OF PRICKS!

[Ryan]

Did you perform an impromptu haka? What kind of a scene exactly? Hey - is that sirens I can hear in the background?!? :p

[Subaru ETA]

not quite :p

i just made the point in a very loud fasion in front of every one that he is a ****er of the highest order, he didnt go by NZ laws when he sold the car and now i have had to waste a day running around after his **** up which he wont cop to...

needless to say the people looking at the 04 merc kompressor wagon walked straight out the door :p

sad thing is tho he was really good up to the point the he got the money. i was actually going to get the mother in law to go have a look at some of the cars....as you can imagine that is not happening now!

[Ryan]

Good stuff :guitarist

[KiwiTT]

On a side note: BuyRight cars has this one now.
http://www.buyrightcars.co.nz/Vehicle_Detail_15.aspx?CategoryId=&pageId=1&ProductId=416766

A bit late I know, but given the hassles you had with your dealer, it is worth pointing out to others that when you have/know a good dealer and you are in no hurry to buy, it may be worth waiting until this dealer does get the car you want.

[bradc]

My VR-4's top tank split after about 2 weeks of ownership, they replaced it for me that very same day with a new radiator. They even gave me a courtesy car!

[KiwiTT]

Yep. BRC are good. Will put them top of my list when I ever consider a replacement. I want to get a good car (which I did - and others) and good after-sales service (which I did - and others)

btw: Brad, you are nearing your 20,000th post. Need to give it some careful consideration. :D

[Johny]

do airtreks have any cup holders?

[Subaru ETA]

yes - 2 in the front and 2 in the rear. the front of the centre console folds down and the rear ones are in the rear arm rest...what a random question lol

[Johny]

not really i had a look through two different kinds this weekend and couldnt find any obvious sign of them lol

[Subaru ETA]

looking at joining Club Airtrek are you? :p

[Johny]

i dunno i was mostly being nosy lol

[Rossco Type-S]

not really i had a look through two different kinds this weekend and couldnt find any obvious sign of them lol

The front of the centre console folds up and conceals them.

[Rossco Type-S]

I have just purchased a 19T compressor kit to go in my car. I had thought of converting to a TD05, but I decided to stick with the TD04 to keep the bottom end.

The 19T will allow me to hold the factory 18psi of boost right to the 6500 shift point or put the boost up to as much as 26 or even 27psi. I think I will set it up with high/low boost and have the factory 18psi as low and then 20 to 22 psi as the high setting.

Here are the compressor maps for a 15T and 19T. Basically the 19T can flow 25% more air efficiently.

[fuel]

where did you get the 19T from?

[Rossco Type-S]

where did you get the 19T from?

Japan - through E-bay Australia

[Rossco Type-S]

19T Kit and electronic boost controller have arrived now. Hopefully I will get a chance to install everything in the weekend.