F*ckin dole bludgers

[col1n]

what the f*ck is this corrupt country coming to
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250993/Single-mum-finds-mansion-net-gets-YOU-pay-7-000-month-rent.html?ITO=1708&referrer=yahoo

should sent the bnp round

[paulg23]

I spent 6 months of last year out of work... got £64 a week. Have paid all my taxes for 30 years, never claimed anything before. It's totally outrageous. Must be driving people to support the BNP.

[karr1981]

its crap like this that makes me feel bad when I do have to claim, even though i always pay taxes when working, I'm looking at having to claim some help for maybe 2 months whilst i line up a new job this year, and I was close to not even bothering cause of the image of it, its only cause I physically cant afford my rent that I've signed on :-S

[Atik]

Its disgusting :furious4: Now I dont feel so bad for dodging my taxes all these years*




* thats a joke

[giblet]

I find it funny that articles like this help get the BNP support, when I know of plenty of "white" people milking the system. At the end of the day, the blame lies with the government for being such pushovers and dishing out so much cash in the first place.

Regardless of skin colour, background etc there are plenty of people out there who will happily milk the system and not bother working. However there are also the genuine folk who cant work or have proper reasons to claim

[col1n]

:iagree:
i was just made redundant on friday and id hate to make a claim cos i know ill get beans and the time it takes for the idiots at the jobcentre to sort the claim out , so the next thing is either support the taliban or immigrate to oz.
we have family over there and as for qualifications for jobs we have a shedload
the missus being a specialist nurse and me being a fully qualified chef
i also do welding.
the sooner someone gets rid of this CORRUPT government, the better
rant over

[SGHOM]

My nephew matt works as a customer advisor for the benefits agency. After he has paid his mortgage and bills. He is left with less money than a giro :-(

he has had to move back in with his mum and rent the house to make ends meet. It sucks!

[chris g]

This government corrupt...?

And you expect the alternative, the tories, to be less corrupt...?

I was going to say wake up and smell the coffee...

...but it's the sickening odour of cheating, greed and bribery in the city/banks..

[orionn2o]

The tories would do a better job than Labour.

At least David Cameron will be an elected PM.

[chris g]

We are into contentious and dangerous territory for a forum like ours...

but, Cameron, elected maybe, but a better job...?

[orionn2o]

I guess really time will tell.

We can hope massively that the Labour spin machine can't fool too many more stupid people that the recession stole all the country's money. Not the massive overspends by a useless government attempting to fix every problem by ineffectively throwing lots of money at it.

The biggest issue we have now (apart from Blairs tactical changes of boundaries to fix the election). Is also that sooo many voters in this country either :

a) claim massive benefits and dont want to lose that
b) have a cushy council job that over pays and gives a fantastic pension and they don't want to lose that.

that its not very difficult for the people who have to fund all of this to vote against.

[Beastlee]

Civil service posts are not over paid but yes we do get a great pension.....it makes up for the crap pay and expenses package we get.

[chris g]

So it's a question of...

sorting problems by cutting spending/reducing services...

and thus improving health/education/housing/defence etc

..so many people receiving massive benfits whils unemployed/long-tem sick

..so many council jobs with high pay/easy work and great pensions

And tory governments have never altered boundaries to improve electability

And the bailout of the bankers did not cost us billions above govt spending

It's just profligate govt spending that damaged the nation and its' finances...

[orionn2o]

Civil service posts are not over paid but yes we do get a great pension.....it makes up for the crap pay and expenses package we get.


I think they are overpaid compared to some of their private sector equivilants.

I know girls fresh out of school with no qualifications picking up an easy £30k+ a year for a job that really is no more than secretarial work.

p.s. I'm not saying they are all overpaid, but I bet there are plenty of people earning more than they should.

Oh and that pension is going to cost the country for years and years to come.

[chris g]

Ask so many health/council/education/civil service staff about how low pay gives you a fantastic pension...

Ask the same staff who have lost jobs about how secure their job is and how fantastic is the pension

Ask all the unemployed, long-term sick and disabled who are on minimum amounts about how they are coping on 'massive benefits'...

[Nutter_John]

I used to work under local government within a Uni , the pay was crap so I got a better paying Job .......

Who ever wins the next election is screwed as this current one has totally destroyed the country , My children will be paying for this mess to be fixed for the next 50 years

[orionn2o]

Health... I bet there are lots of managers in hospitals raking it in
Education.. teachers brand new earn a starting salary of between 21k and 30k out of london. Up to 35k in london
Civil service.. like previously stated, I bet there are loads of cushy numbers out there.

I don't seem to remember saying anything about long term sick and disabled, but I bet theres loads of people out there on nice little earners.. cue thread in first post.

[chris g]

My NHS pension will cost YOU until I die but I will have paid in for over 30 years and my conditions were agreed as such because YOU will not do my job..

And if you think that my pension is fantastic compared to CEO in big business, bankers and Camerons' friends then I think you will be wrong

We have a tory minister IIRC, cannot decide how and where he is paying his tax - he like many before him is earing well, avoiding tax and then tells us how to live...

I do nor believe that current govt have done as well as they should but no faith in Cameron and his cronies in the city, banks and media doing anything better

[chris g]

" massive benefits..." = unemployed, sick, disabled...

[orionn2o]

My NHS pension will cost YOU until I die but I will have paid in for over 30 years and my conditions were agreed as such because YOU will not do my job..

And if you think that my pension is fantastic compared to CEO in big business, bankers and Camerons' friend then I think you will be wrong

We have a tory minister IIRC, cannot decide how and where he is paying his tax - he like many before him is earing well, avoiding tax and then tells us how to live...

I do nor believe tat current govt have done as well as they should but no faith in Cameron and his cronies in the city, banks and media doing anything better

Are you the CEO of your NHS department?

[chris g]

Sensitive and difficult subject for a place like CVR4...

I think I need to step back from the 'soapbox'...

[orionn2o]

" massive benefits..." = unemployed, sick, disabled...


Now your putting words in my mouth.

I just said there were people out there claiming massive benefits... which there are - cue thread at top. I also implied there are probably lots of them. Which is probably true.

I did not say that everyone was on massive benefits. did i?

[Beastlee]

I think they are overpaid compared to some of their private sector equivilants.

I know girls fresh out of school with no qualifications picking up an easy £30k+ a year for a job that really is no more than secretarial work.

p.s. I'm not saying they are all overpaid, but I bet there are plenty of people earning more than they should.

Oh and that pension is going to cost the country for years and years to come.

So why then, after 15 years in, am I only earning £20k with my only benefits being my sick pay and a pension (which will be worthless by the time I get it) for a high level IT job covering half of Germany plus one site in Brunei? I cannot stay in a hotel costing more than £70/night, I cannot claim any expenses whilst away and I have to go cattle class on the 18hr flight. There's no overtime, no job security any more and no other IT posts left for me to move to. Oh and becuase of the cutbacks i can't actually get any training to prepare me should i have to leave the CC. I took a job in Germany becuase it's the only way I could afford to carry on living on the wages the CC pays...

Starting pay for an E1 (Basic clerical post) is £15K I don't know where you're getitng the £30K from but in the civil service that's the start of two grades above me and they are major project managers and decision makers.
Please don't tar all civil servants with the MPs and certain other high level staff that abuse the system. I certainly have never met one who was over-paid.

[chris g]

No, back on it again...

I am not CEO of course...

It is the obscene payment such people receive and then speak of who should have pay cuts, lose jobs

And such individuals are in warm embrace of the tories who in turn are supported by business, bankers and the city...

Greed at the highest level of business is criticised and then the army of greedy benefit claimants and the low paid on easy jobs/big pensions are in return criticised

But its the greedy at the top who decide cuts in pay, worse conditions and then unemployment for so many...

[WildCards]

All political parties are as bad as each other, the only decision to make is which colour you like the most. I do have a dislike of Winky though, he's so corrupt it's beyond a joke, he is definately not PM material, regardless whether his party stays in power or not.

I'd also speculate that for every civil servant earning what they perceive to be low wages there is another earning considerably more than they should.

[chris g]

You said...

that sooo many voters in this country either :

a) claim massive benefits and dont want to lose that

Massive benefits...
... ask unemployed, sick and disabled about the 'massive benefits'

Sorry, trying to step away from the soapbox...

[orionn2o]

So why then, after 15 years in, am I only earning £20k with my only benefits being my sick pay and a pension (which will be worthless by the time I get it) for a high level IT job covering half of Germany plus one site in Brunei? I cannot stay in a hotel costing more than £70/night, I cannot claim any expenses whilst away and I have to go cattle class on the 18hr flight. There's no overtime, no job security any more and no other IT posts left for me to move to. Oh and becuase of the cutbacks i can't actually get any training to prepare me should i have to leave the CC. I took a job in Germany becuase it's the only way I could afford to carry on living on the wages the CC pays...

Starting pay for an E1 (Basic clerical post) is £15K I don't know where you're getitng the £30K from but in the civil service that's the start of two grades above me and they are major project managers and decision makers.
Please don't tar all civil servants with the MPs and certain other high level staff that abuse the system. I certainly have never met one who was over-paid.


Well i'm not making the numbers up Lee, thats what she earns.

Now different councils (this one is in London) may have different budgets etc? Who knows?
But I wouldn't believe that because you are having these problems, there are people like that all over the UK.

We also have to add, this if a department appears to be failing, they appear to set up a new one to oversee the first one. How ridiculous!

[orionn2o]

You said...

that sooo many voters in this country either :

a) claim massive benefits and dont want to lose that

Massive benefits...
... ask unemployed, sick and disabled about the 'massive benefits'

Sorry, trying to step away from the soapbox...

Yes many many many many people do receive massive benifits, that is true. Fact.

I didn't say all of them. so don't split hairs

P.S. I realise that this stuff obviously relates to you quite heavily, and i'm not trying to imply that you are:

overpaid, rubbish at your job, not seeing financial issues in your department etc. All i'm saying is that there are plenty of departments out there which are not pulling their weight, and plenty of benefit cheats/people who could work and don't/etc

[chris g]

So we are in the **** as a nation because we have a majority of people draining our finances...

...idle people receiving massive benefits and those that are lucky to work, are another majority who are overpaid in easy jobs and expect to receive fantastic pensions...

And the greed of the bankers and the city who are hand in glove with the tories are not to blame for any drain on our finances...

And if such entrpreneurial, risk-taking and profit-making individuals were a drain at all, it is nowhere near as big as the drain on our finances by the benefit scroungers and the job-for-life/golden pensions for council staff, teachers, nurses and othe public employees...

Sorry, if I had known that 30yrs in the NHS with a return-to NHS pay of 24k was so damaging to the nation, I would not have asked for any pay at all and happily gone to work for nothing and lived in a cardboard box...

[Turbo_Steve]

Actually, I think you're both right.

SOME people are doing rather well in their government jobs, and indeed on their benefits. I think it's a minority.

What I WOULD like to see is better performance management:
Out in the commercial world, it can be very difficult to hold onto your job if your performance is sub-standard. It seems the hardest working people in the NHS, in the Government, in education, are bizarrely the least incentivised.

Okay, so grading a teachers performance is potentially pretty tricky, as is a nurses. But I feel sure it can be done accurately.

Middle Managers? Now they're VERY easy to grade, as are senior managers!
Let's see some performance related bonuses, and some much more sensible salaries: how about some really tricky targets with a pretty decent compound bonus at the end of it?


Benefits....now this is where it gets a bit trickier......but I feel certain that there is plenty of work out there that needs doing super-extra cheaply for many many companies and government agents.

For example: someone goes around cleaning streets and sweeping up. Someone goes around changing light bulbs in street lights. Someone needs to paint youth clubs, schools, etc etc etc

If you're able bodied and sat around getting paid for nothing, how about you HAVE to go out on a government sponsored work session to earn your giro?
The company involved in any government contract HAS to take on a specific percentage of 'trainees' across the company. The company 'employ' them essentially for free, but have to supervise them and train them. The 'trainees' learn a skill, and do some valid work, and collect their Giro.

If they do a good job, you could even have a bonus scheme, and references etc etc.

Now here's the really warped bit: Health assessments. By comittee. Who have a range of "cost focussed" options tied into the "trainee workers" scheme, with a view to getting poorly (and perhaps the 'less poorly') people back out and working.

Most of these poorly people WANT to get up, out and do something! A huge number of then are in the situation where actually EARNING their benefits would make them feel better about themselves.....so let's let them do it!

I know someone who has been off work for 4 years with depression.....okay, it's a serious medical condition, but it's not a constant inhibitor from earning!

Child rearing - So you've got kids and no job? Need a council house? Fine...here ya go. Need to eat? Well sorry, but it's food coupons for you, not cash.

Basics (fridge, freezer etc) are provided on a rental basis: you break it, you are going to have to pay for it to be replaced...or it doesn't get replaced.
Want cash? Well, unfortunately, if you're registered as a "stay at home mum" then the only way you get hard cash is through your kids: get them reading before they are 4yrs old and you get a nice big payout as a reward. Get them doing algebra before secondary school? Hey maybe you get some holiday vouchers!

Performance Incentivisation is the way forward.

[orionn2o]

lol I didn't imply you were overpaid Chris ... but i bet theres an admistrator above you that is! Or if there isn't, there probably was and he's been given a handsome pay off because he was ineffective.

And yes I agree with Steve.

[stuey]

...loads of basically sensible stuff....


This 'should' be the way forward for all levels of benefits claimants and those working in the public sector including contractors and civil service. More accountability and a HUGE re-working of the benefits system as a whole is desperately needed..
eg. The Australian 'nothing for the first 2 years' after immigration seems to work quite well....

[scc]

Years ago when I worked for many years as a qualified chartered engineer with multiple degrees under my belt and many decorations to my name I was earning much less than the salary of a secretary as mentioned above. It really sucks! The uk is full of smart people and the government does not reward them!

How much salary would one expect to feel comfortable in the uk? I read in the papers that 80k is the ball park figure for most people. I've not seen an engineer earn that at all!

Rant over
scc

[SGHOM]

£80k??? ..... Years ago, as house bashing sparky, I would not have got out of bed for less! How times have changed :-(

[steelie600]

80k i bloody wish, im a city and guild level 4 qualified truck mechanic, full factory Volvo training to master-tech level. Winner of technician of the year 2 times. and im now running the Parts department due to injury, guess what I earn???.............

19k!!!! thats what all my qualifications and skills get me!!!

[SGHOM]

I Rewired some maisonets in Sheffield many moons ago. Absolute easy peasy . Labour rate was £550 per flat + extras. I was done by 2pm most days. After I paid my lads, (cheaply) I was taking home £2k per week!

Last proper job I had was Reading the paper and doing crossword part time for £45k! :-)

[chugg]

/popcorn

[Johnny_Cashed]

Ask so many health/council/education/civil service staff about how low pay gives you a fantastic pension...

Not an attack on you Chris, but I'm tired of the general consensus that "to do what's right" we have to pay the usual army, teachers, health service workers more than we currently are. How can someone say that working as a nurse/midwife WITHOUT a degree is underpaid at 19kish starting salary with a secure good pension and chance for overtime, when you have people working for years in factories at 12-13K, rubbish stakeholder pension and no chance of progression? Look at other countries, Germany in particular.

I believe their armed forces earn much less than they do here, I KNOW that midwifes earn substantially less than they do here (via an ex who went over as a student midwife to stay with a midwife in Germany).

[shaun1978]

So why then, after 15 years in, am I only earning £20k with my only benefits being my sick pay and a pension (which will be worthless by the time I get it) for a high level IT job covering half of Germany plus one site in Brunei? I cannot stay in a hotel costing more than £70/night, I cannot claim any expenses whilst away and I have to go cattle class on the 18hr flight. There's no overtime, no job security any more and no other IT posts left for me to move to. Oh and becuase of the cutbacks i can't actually get any training to prepare me should i have to leave the CC. I took a job in Germany becuase it's the only way I could afford to carry on living on the wages the CC pays...

Starting pay for an E1 (Basic clerical post) is £15K I don't know where you're getitng the £30K from but in the civil service that's the start of two grades above me and they are major project managers and decision makers.
Please don't tar all civil servants with the MPs and certain other high level staff that abuse the system. I certainly have never met one who was over-paid.

Just a question Lee, is your pension not index linked ? I know my forces and plod pensions are.

[chris g]

Promised myself I would not join in again but...

Incentivisation - a cracking phrase - competition between services maybe...?
NOT so helpful in health, education, or other public services...?
Disparity of provision, unequal funding, imbalance of staff and specialist services/eqpt...?

Overtime, as a Nurse...?

Which century are you living in...

OT went out years ago if not decades ago in NHS

And extra hours you do when work demnds it have to be taken as time in lieu...

And that is so easy to do in an overworked, understaffed NHS...

Nurses and other work LOTS of extra time without extra pay

Care is provided, NHS keeps going by grace and favour of staff...

And as for pensions of many public employees...

Many NHS staff are worse off than Nurses...

so index linking of low pay pension is really so good eh...

God, I have got to stop reading this thread...

My blood pressure and seeing patients - not a good combination...

[miller]

£80k??? ..... Years ago, as house bashing sparky, I would not have got out of bed for less! How times have changed :-(

well that had to come to an end. £80k, lets get this straight...that wasnt after tax /employee wages / overheads ? was it?

As a Design Engineer with years of study i found it very very very disheartening to hear these stories of site labourers earning more than me per week than what i would in a month. They would be ringing me up with the most basic/elementary forehead slapping questions of all time /grr :lost:

Im thinking this recession should level the playing field somewhat. Hopefully it will like others said REWARD those that have worked hard at education and still work hard at their job.

Mike

[Turbo_Steve]

Incentivisation - a cracking phrase - competition between services maybe...?
NOT so helpful in health, education, or other public services...?
Disparity of provision, unequal funding, imbalance of staff and specialist services/eqpt...?

Overtime, as a Nurse...: Which century are you living in, OT went out years ago if not decades ago in NHS. Extra hours you do when work demnds it have to be taken as time in lieu, and that is so easy to do in an overworked, understaffed NHS. Nurses and other work LOTS of extra time without extra pay.
Care is provided, NHS keeps going by grace and favour of staff...
As for pensions of many public employees, many NHS staff are worse off than Nurses, so index linking of low pay pension is really so good eh...

God, I have got to stop reading this thread... My blood pressure and seeing patients - not a good combination...


Bless you, Chris, for taking this so personally! The trouble is that people only know from their own experience, or from the lies that the media tell them, what to expect from the NHS.
Don't let it get you wound up: It's nice to hear the point of view of someone on the "inside". My Mum worked for the NHS for many, many years, and I've worked for various education authorities and for (what was) the old DHSs as it used to be, and I know things have been getting worse since then.

I DO think you can measure someones performance at work, irrespective of what the work is. You have to be careful using "metrics" to measure performance in something like education / healthcare, as there are a lot of aspects to it outside of the technical stuff.

But look at it this way: people do hours and hours outside their paid contract, and someone, somewhere, knows that this is happening. And someone knows, in your team, who is good at their job, and who is a bit of a slacker.
How about the guy busting his balls to cover for a weaker team member gets a nice bonus at Christmas? Or maybe offered the chance to take up a role where they can change things for the better?

It's not an easy fix, unfortunately, and needs skilled people who understand the job (properly!) to make it work. Managers need to be forced to shadow members of staff for a week to go through what they do: a reminder of what it's like "on the ground".

[chris g]

Hi Steve,

Interesting to read your views...

but still uncertain about incentives/competition between services, local authorites and, god help me, 'providers'...

But politics, like religion, on CVR4 - not subjects or place to engage...

..especially with bigots, the ignorant, racists or fascists...

[orionn2o]

..especially with bigots, the ignorant, racists or fascists...

Its good to see you have such a highly respectful view of the members here!

[chris g]

Hey

Those subjects and this environment do NOT go together

And it's 'especially' worse if any people are as described

It does not include you...?

Then no need for offence...

[orionn2o]

Thats fair game and I agree with you. I didn't take it personally, apologies . it was a smart ass comment!

[Turbo_Steve]

uncertain about incentives/competition

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating competition between services: it's like asking your milkman to meet the same targets as your builder, it doesn't make sense.

What I'd want to see is certain management targets (for example, delivering my own personal scheme :) ) rewarded with bonuses for all the staff involved, top-to-bottom. So yah, it maybe costs a few million to kit out the whole NHS, but everyone ends up with some extra money in their pocket for the success.

Incentives are down to seeing staff compete with each other nationally across the same service, for example. And again, this is difficult to implement on the ground (nursing, teaching, doctoring etc) but gets easier and easier as you head up the the tree into higher management.

For example, a while back everyone started publishing league tables. 5 years later, a lot of places have had to pull their socks up and sort out poor performance. It's essentially an extension of this, but with a view to working WITH the people actually doing the work.

Don't misunderstand - the league tables (especially for hospitals) have created a lot of their own problems,
but they've certainly shaken up the school system (mostly for the better).

[chris g]

Competition for schools - not convinced

League tables - emphasis on exam/test results

Not really measure of good education - education that broadens children - develops them as thinkers/communicaters/individuals

And then seeking exam/test results leads to schools choosing pupils to get results and money

Less able are left for other schools...

[WildCards]

What do you think should be done then Chris?

[chris g]

So much stuff to cover and so little time...!

A few thoughts...

Not fully formed but gist of my views...

Private control of public services and resources should change

Gas, water, coal, electricity are national resources - not for control by business

Health and education amongst other should not be in competition

Co-terminous boundaries for health/LA/education - better planning/services

Education should stop 'exam/results mean everything' mentality

Acceptance by public that services cost money and some things
e.g nuclear weapons, are unusable and too expensive

Disengage from US/UK slavish relationship - we are europeans and much more of our present and future is so linked

Money and industry/skills can then be turned to useful production and directed into other areas

Taxation to be progressive and effective - no avoidance

To each according to need, from each according to ability

Benefits for those in need - public works to give employment

Housing programme - for every council house sold one is built

Maintain green belt as much as poss

Accept UK land and resources are limited

Limit all entry to uk from OZ/NZ/canada/rest of commonwealth/europe/world

Have tolerance of rest of world and push development/independence of other nation states - relationships of cooperation not exploitation - by our Govt, businesses and corporations

Just a few broad ideas for now..

[chris g]

And it will prob never happen...

Too many vested interests now we have given away the family silver, created empires and leverage for some individuals/businesses

[miller]

So you want to join the Euro then Chris!

[chris g]

I could join the eurozone but my economy is not big enough or stable enough to allow it...

But we have been part of europe for centuries and worked with them for mutual benefit

? EFTA amongst various ventures...

Predominantly our business/economic future surely lies with europe as well as mutual defence...?

[chris g]

Could we go it alone...?

Or even more dangerous, go it with the USA - a great ally for the future and safety of our nation

If nuclear defence drives that alliance then we are doomed...

[Turbo_Steve]

Chris, that's a massively expansive list - why aren't you running for parliament?

[chris g]

You could not afford my pay needs or pension demands...:-)

[miller]

As far as i see the Eurozone the UK is well and truly a member, bar the silly little paper stuff we use for money here is coloured differently!

[funkstardelux]

the pound only survives on a market of credit and the london stock exchange. in reality this country is in debt and has not manufacturing of its own. the major companies are foreign owned.

[swinks]

And my few p... as I'm dealing with granted benefits on daily basis.
Well, system sucks! Must be changed immediately, otherwise will explode with massive public riot.
It is so corrupt you wouldn't believe. Most common beneficient profile is: white unskilled, illiterate, alcohol or drug abuser under 25yr old.
Overall, net benefits income is always better than net salary from any sort of basic job. Do your math, and see... being employed is not worth a hassle. Hence you have so massive procentage of young people unemployed.
Sometimes I'm coming back home literally sick after interviews (I'm workin in social services). They know how to abuse system and are quite happy with it.

[col1n]

oops, what did i start, anyway everyone has a point and everyone is right in their own way. and swinks has hit the nail on the head

[Johnny_Cashed]

Overtime, as a Nurse...?

Which century are you living in...

OT went out years ago if not decades ago in NHS

And extra hours you do when work demnds it have to be taken as time in lieu...

And that is so easy to do in an overworked, understaffed NHS...

Nurses and other work LOTS of extra time without extra pay

Really Chris? OT is not used then? Interesting, since one family member works for the NHS (physio) and ex of mine works for the NHS (midwife) and three of her house mates (nurses) all got OT payments. The physio HAS earned ~£300 for a weekends overtime, this in not conjecture, myth or overheard conversations, but actual experience.

"And that is so easy to do in an overworked, understaffed NHS..." hands up anyone that works in an office that has NOT been "asked" (ie told) to work past normal working hours for a specific project, or at a certain time of year (ie end of year stocktake).

[chris g]

Well blow me down, OT back in the NHS...

In one of the business/Foundation Trusts...?

Will def have to get me back in there...

Just hopes it's a Trust that pays OT to Nurses...

Don't care if them low paid/pension seeking ancillary/catering/admin staff don't get it

Really looking fwd to going back into the NHS...

Thirty years experience and offered lowest pay for my grade...

Can't wait...

[WildCards]

Male nurse?




/smirk



:p

[chris g]

Yo there, boy...

bring out them stereotypes boy...

WGAF, as long as I can get OT and pad my pension...

[swinks]

Well blow me down, OT back in the NHS...


Don't think so. IIRC, from 2005 public health sector can't sign new contracts which has option of "overtime" paid extra more. Nowadays, contracts use to have "excess hours" which are paid as regular hours.
If anyone is doing old "overtime" it means he/she is on old contract.
Well, nevermind...

[chris g]

If I can't pad my golden index linked pension...

Damn, damn, damn...

[WildCards]

Yo there, boy...

bring out them stereotypes boy...

WGAF, as long as I can get OT and pad my pension...

I'm sorry mate, this thread is far too serious, I felt some much needed piss taking was in order.

[chris g]

And you pick on me for that...?

Why not the blue rinse brigade, with the, 'lets get the benefit scrounging, lazy pension seeking public employees, commie pinko, fag, bastards, hang-em high attitude...

[WildCards]

I saw a cheap blow and went for it. (<- I've set you up there)

I also only needed to type 3 words, I'd end up writing paragraphs if I started on that lot and as i'm technically at work...

[chris g]

Nooooo.....

Not setting me up.....?

for some comical or cutting remark...?

[WildCards]

Wasted, wasted I tell thee

[chris g]

I have skipped threads now and passing my time elsewhere...

on someones crutch or clutch thread it seems...

Afraid to ask what it's really about...

You should pop over and see...

Oh sorry, it's you and yours...

[WildCards]

/Nuuu

[chris g]

A higher level of conversation eh...?

[Pablo]

wow! so the moral of the story here is anyone got a mansion for rent an also i'll need a donation of 2 children! im off to punch my boss in the face so i lose my job an can sign on....