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Ryan
08-03-2010, 03:17 AM
Bin spies rubbished
By GREGORY KATZ - SMH
Last updated 09:19 08/03/2010



It's the new front in the UK's nanny state - microchips placed in rubbish bins to monitor how much people throw away.

A pro-privacy group warns in a new report that more than 2.6 million of the chips have been surreptitiously installed in what is seen as a first step toward charging those who toss too much.

Proponents say it's a bid to push recycling. Opponents say it stinks.

"They should mind their own business," said Terry Williams, an unemployed Londoner who thinks the government is meddling. "I believe they have gone too far. It's not like we are throwing away anything that is illegal."

The advocacy group Big Brother Watch found through a series of Freedom of Information requests that many local councils are installing the microchips in rubbish bins distributed to households, but in most cases have not yet activated them - in part because officials know the move would be unpopular.

"They are waiting for the political climate to change before they start using them," said campaign director Dylan Sharpe, who predicted that families that produce large amounts of rubbish would be fined.

The rubbish microchips are now part of the British information grid, which already includes a heavy reliance on closed-circuit television surveillance and cameras to monitor the population, particularly on the crowded public transportation system.

"This is yet another piece of surveillance that the councils are taking on in our daily life," said Sharpe. "With this information they can tell if we are home or not, and the information is stored on their database, which is not that secure."

He said the "pay as you throw" policy councils are planning to implement would discriminate against large families that generate more waste and might encourage people to burn their refuse - or dump it illegally - rather than pay extra.

"That's what's happened in Ireland, where they're tried this," he said. "Over the last 10 years we've seen a massive increase in CCTV, and the introduction of laws allowing police to search at random. There has been a general trend in this country toward gathering as much data as possible."

But Gary Hopkins, a councillor in Bristol, said the microchips will be a useful tool in an innovative programme to reward people who reduce household waste, not part of a secret plan to charge those who produce high volumes.

"It's voluntary, not compulsory," he said. "A compulsory plan would not work. We've managed to persuade the people of Bristol to participate in the recycling programme. We want to encourage the people who aren't using it to join in as well."
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The government's ambitious information-gathering plans go still further. Security officials working on counterterrorism plans have lobbied for greater powers to track every email, text, and phone call made in the UK. The country already maintains an extensive DNA database that is, per capita, the largest in the world.

Then there are the alleged "nanny state" initiatives designed to use laws and regulation to modify troublesome social behaviour. The government in January banned some drinking games and bar promotions in an effort to curb binge drinking, and a government-funded design effort is under way to produce a shatterproof pint glass so drunken "lager louts" will be less able to break glasses and use the shards as weapons.

The government may even get involved in the effort to help young women have a better self-image by requiring advertisers who retouch photos of fashion models to print disclaimers making clear that the airbrushed models don't look that great in real life.

The thinking is that this would make women less like to try to starve themselves into perfection.

The use of microchips in rubbish bins has spread dramatically in the last year, the new study shows.

Microchips were first fitted into some British rubbish bins eight years ago, and the debate over whether the state has the right to weigh or otherwise analyse residents' refuse has surfaced periodically since.

In 2006, then-British environment minister Ben Bradshaw told Britons that they might someday have to pay for the amount of waste they produce - arguing that the practice would encourage people to waste less and reduce pressure on landfills while making recycling more popular.

His successor, David Miliband, moved to lift a ban which prevented local officials from offering financial incentives for recycling - further clearing the way for the use of rubbish-monitoring microchips.

The nature of the chips and their exact purpose vary across the country: Some of the chips are intended to sense the weight of the garbage piled into a bin. Others are meant to track the whereabouts of the bin itself, or check whether it has been emptied.

None of the chips are used to charge residents in so-called "pay-as-you-throw" plans - at least so far. But many believe the microchips are part of a stealth plan to increase fees and fines.

"It makes me very angry," said Nat Spencer, 35, of London. "I've been thinking of moving out, it's gotten that bad.

Kieran
08-03-2010, 09:19 AM
....in what is seen as a first step toward charging those who toss too much...

:thinking: :coat

martin_y
08-03-2010, 10:22 AM
Oh no, they're going to tax that too, now??

swinks
08-03-2010, 12:59 PM
Yes. Our bins in South Kesteven are chipped already, and Lincolnshire counsil is considering to introduce pay-as-you-throw :bigcry:
Apparently nowadays gov is negotiating with major supermarket chains introducing vat on food.

martin_y
08-03-2010, 01:10 PM
Swinks, I dont think you understood my post ! lol! I was referring to "charging those who toss too much" !!

Confused
08-03-2010, 01:17 PM
We already pay to throw out our rubbish,.

It's called council tax, and for years we've been paying more, and receiving less.

Ghost_2008
08-03-2010, 07:34 PM
I work very closely to a local council........... virtually in the town hall but not quite and I know of atleast £10,000,000 which has been: Sqandered, lost, stolen or paid out to people, and this is one London Borough........ if you apply that to every Londcon borough except maybe, Kensington and Chelsea, Westminster...... your looking at hundreds of millions of pounds....... and a lot is waisted on schemes like this one, in reserach an developement this has probably already cost us millions alone, to get the money back that they lost in the first place...........

it take the pi55!!!

Spirit
08-03-2010, 08:41 PM
It's called council tax, and for years we've been paying more, and receiving less.


Tell me about it, and business rates is even worse !!

We have to pay over £400 a month in rates and we get NOTHING for that ! The business estate we are on is privately owned, so no street lighting etc, and we even have to pay to get our rubbish collected !!!!

What an absolute con :ranton:

Turbo_Steve
08-03-2010, 09:31 PM
How exactly do the chips work, then?