Retard question here:

[damien]

I see alot of cars described as 'Facelift', what exactly does this mean thanks.

[elnevio]

Hehe - don't worry!

It means slightly different things between UK cars and JDM ones.

JDM cars, i.e. mainly Galant and Legnum VR-4s, were facelifted in 1998, and got the bigger bumpers, revised tailgate/lights (estate) and slightly different bumper lip/lights (saloon), as well as a couple of other tweaks, such as the auto VR-4's power being upped from 260PS to 280PS in line with the manual.

UK cars received a couple of facelifts, in approx 1998 and 2000. These changed things like the bumpers, badging, interior options, engine options, wheels, brakes, extra seatbelt in the rear. The tailgate was not changed on the estate though, so retained the 'prefacelift' rearend like the prefacelift Legnum.

[AlanDITD]

please dont use the word retard....it may offend 79% of the users on here...

[bradc]

Indeed, because 79% of users have prefacelifts :D

[elnevio]

What about the other 46%? :quasi:

[dinger1983]

Indeed, because 79% of users have prefacelifts :D
and your point

[aboo]

The 46% have the better looking cars:)

[Kieran]

The 46% have the better looking cars:)
:iagree:

[AlanDITD]

my point had nothing to do with cars...

[elnevio]

Probably a good thing that the original question was answered by the second post!

[apeman69]

Facelift: giving an old biddy some 'corrective' surgery to try to make her look better but everybody knows she will never look as good as when she was in her prime i.e. pre-facelift.

[Kieran]

Facelift: giving an old biddy some 'corrective' surgery to try to make her look better but everybody knows she will never look as good as when she was in her prime i.e. pre-facelift.

....Is the right answer!!:guitarist

The fact that NZ's most prolific goat violator prefers the fail-lift tells you all you need to know...

/STP :D

[Turbo_Steve]

Fail lift is a bit Marmite - aspects of it are huge cosmetic improvements......but other aspects ruin it!

[Wodjno]

The 46% have the better looking cars:)

If 79% were Pre-Facelifts /Hmmm

The other 46% would be Facelifts /yes

So yourself and Kieran are both saying that Facelifts are better looking /hammer /whip

Basic Math :p

[Kieran]

If 79% were Pre-Facelifts /Hmmm

The other 46% would be Facelifts /yes

So yourself and Kieran are both saying that Facelifts are better looking /hammer /whip

Basic Math :p

I can't even make sense of that if I use Man-Maths?!!! /help :vulcan:

[Atik]

What about the lowly 1% that have a PFL with a FL front end?

[aboo]

If 79% were Pre-Facelifts /Hmmm

The other 46% would be Facelifts /yes

So yourself and Kieran are both saying that Facelifts are better looking /hammer /whip

Basic Math :pYour right Glen. I did have a few tinnys that night & picked it up wrong:oops: . The PFL is the better looking car

[Wodjno]

Your right Glen. I did have a few tinnys that night & picked it up wrong:oops: . The PFL is the better looking car


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[damien]

What about the lowly 1% that have a PFL with a FL front end?

I think that might be what I have.

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/thumbs/1122/Mitsubishi-Galant-VR-4-Estate_2.jpg

Is this the FL rear?

[Kieran]

I think that might be what I have.

Yeah, for some reason UK cars retained the Pre-FailLift tailgate on the estates. The saloons did sport the Fail-lift tail lamps though.

Whilst no-one knows for sure, I wouldn't be surprised if the reason for this is because of the tail lamps and the red reflective strip that runs along the rear of the Fail-lift tailgate. I suspect their shape would have fallen foul of EU Type-Approval regulations.

/EDIT - and yes that is the Fail-lift rear in that picture.

[bradc]

Yep, thats the newer style from 1998 to 2002

[damien]

Yeah, for some reason UK cars retained the Pre-FailLift tailgate on the estates. The saloons did sport the Fail-lift tail lamps though.

Whilst no-one knows for sure, I wouldn't be surprised if the reason for this is because of the the tail lamps and the red reflective strip that runs along the rear of the Fail-lift tailgate. I suspect their shape would have fallen foul of EU Type-Approval regulations.

/EDIT - and yes that is the Fail-lift rear in that picture.

Yeah I like the look of mine better, that looks a bit Star Trekkish.