Oil Pressure Gauge

[BraindG]

(collating into one thread)

Looked at a few threads for a few ideas, I've landed on the following combo, this leads on from my oil light flicker (http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51619)thread.

As i have 1 Din space im going to get this 3 position (3 x 2"/52mm) Gauge Pod - fits standard radio slot (http://www.rspec.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=445)

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I've only got a few pennies to spend atm, so will only go for the pressure Gauge so looking at theses.

52mm Smoked Super White (Light & Beep) Oil Pressure Gauge (BAR) (http://www.rspec.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3_82&products_id=308)

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52mm Stepper Motor Super Blue (Warning) Oil Pressure Gauge (http://www.rspec.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3_105&products_id=493)

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Ill need a sandwich plate, so i think this is the one?

Oil Pressure/Temperature Sender Adaptor (M20 x 1.5mm) (http://www.rspec.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=87_89&products_id=382)

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Smaller Oil Filter.

AMSOIL SDF-13 (http://www.performanceoilsltd.co.uk/super_duty_oil_filter.html)


Any other recommendation on 52mm Gauges?

Do i need anything else other than whats listed above?

Thanks

[Atik]

Dont think so Barry. I have a couple of gauges to go on my car and have almost the same bits as you listed above. Sandwich plate (and bits) and the gauges (and bits. I still need to fabricate my clock pod to mount the two gauges but if you use the triple slot thingy above, it'll be fine. I've seen Nev's setup and it looks good.

No sure if you realise, if you fit one gauge, you'll have two empty holes in under the stereo :p

[BraindG]

yeah, realise there will be two empty slots, id buy more, but.... wedding coming up soon :)

[Atik]

Hehe, only messing.

I know people have rated the R-Spec gauges, and the ones with the peak button have been well received by people. I bought cheapo ones from eBay, but if I keep the car long-term, I will try to get myself those peak buttoned R-Spec ones.

[Pugme]

im getting oil gaiges next month, the car sits quite low and has just had a spf 20 fitted, is there any other way other than a sandwich plate to plumb in oil gauges?

[miller]

Personally would prefer the gauges higher so my sight lines didnt have to travel down off the windscreen.

R-Spec gauges are the dogs danglies, really suit the VR4. Good choice

[White Lightning]

The only other thing you may need is some additional cable and connectors to extend the signal cable from the oil pressure sensor as the supplied cable will probably not be long enough.

[andyleaves]

As Miller said, I was thinking about that pod slot thing, but I think I would spend too long looking at the gauges and not the road...
Got myself some spare pillars and gonna mould some pods onto that...
I got a spare unused, prosport smoked psi boost gauge, you can have its the red and white version similar to above, but has a slightly thicker rim...

[John TheAntique]

The only other thing you may need is some additional cable and connectors to extend the signal cable from the oil pressure sensor as the supplied cable will probably not be long enough.

The R-Spec cable supplied will just reach a pillar pod on the drivers side.

[BraindG]

Thanks for the responses everyone, I think I have solved the issue. I'll upload pics and description to the light flicker thread shortly .

I'm going to shelve buying a gauge for now.

[666damned]

got them series gauges fitted myself .......but down the side of the front screen,running cabling through dash and over inner wheelarch.......boost/oil pressure/oil temp......really nice gauges...ability to daisy chain them as well.....only need a single power supply then use cables(supplied) with each gauge......

[BraindG]

Oh, hai....

Been looking at Gauges again, found the following deal on Ebay.

"ANY 3 GAUGE OFFER - Prosport Super White Series (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANY-3-GAUGE-OFFER-Prosport-Super-White-Series-/110857713042?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19cfa27592)"

53049


This fantastic offer is for Any 3 of the following Prosport Smoked Super White gauges

Boost – Psi (Mechanical)
Boost – Bar (Mechanical)
Oil Temperature (Electrical)
Oil Pressure (Electrical)
Water Temperature (Electrical)
Volt (Electrical)
Vacuum (Mechanical)
Rev Counter
Air / Fuel Ratio (Electrical)

Please confirm at the checkout the 3 gauges required.

I found a few threads which rated them so I don't think offer is to shabby?

So, i need 3 but which? i searched a few threads and found a common theme seems to be, oil temp, oil pressure and boost.

But I was thinking maybe having the following combo..

Oil Pressure
Air/Fuel Mix
Boost

I do however have boost on my EVC, so maybe..

Oil Pressure
Air/Fuel Mix
Oil Temperature

If you had to choose 3 from the list above, which would you and why?

Thanks
Barry

[Nick Mann]

How is it measuring the AFR? Is it a narrowband gauge?

[BraindG]

How is it measuring the AFR? Is it a narrowband gauge?
No idea :(

http://rspec.co.uk/performance-gauges/stepper-motor-touch-series/52mm-smoked-stepper-motor-touch-air-fuel-ratio-gauge

[swinks]

air/fuel is a narrowband Barry. Not worth a hassle.
Get oil pressure and temp.

[Nick Mann]

Yep, I agree with Mr. Swinks! The AFR will not give you any accurate info, just generalisations. I'd leave that and get something else.

[jayp]

I had on of these, it will just swing wildly at idle and read rich at an throttle input, and lean when decelerating. Useless for any kind of monitoring, but I gues it looks cool if that's your thing.

On a plus point tho it did make me realise how useless the factory o2 set up is.

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[swinks]

On a plus point tho it did make me realise how useless the factory o2 set up is.

???? :rolleyes4

[jayp]

Ok maybe that does need a bit of clarification.
With the narrow band set up the ecu sees AFR's as a voltage between 0 and 1. The resolution is too low, hence why they flick back and forth.
With wideband its between 0 and 5, giving it a higher resolution and allowing the control to be more accurate.

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[BraindG]

I had on of these, it will just swing wildly at idle and read rich at an throttle input, and lean when decelerating. Useless for any kind of monitoring, but I gues it looks cool if that's your thing.

On a plus point tho it did make me realise how useless the factory o2 set up is.

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You talking about the afr or all gauges?

[Nick Mann]

I'm sure Julian is taking about the narrowband AFR, Barry.

[BraindG]

Cheers nick.

So I'm thinking
Oil pressure
Oil temp

Not sure about last, maybe water? Or boost..

[jayp]

You talking about the afr or all gauges?

Yeah sorry the narrow band afr gauge

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[BraindG]

swinks where did you get your gauge holders from? - i liked the look of them as they sit nice and cleanly on the pillar.

[BraindG]

Ill need a sandwich plate, so i think this is the one?

Oil Pressure/Temperature Sender Adaptor (M20 x 1.5mm) (http://www.rspec.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=87_89&products_id=382)

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What else do i need to make this work? other than the gauge - Are there any cables/sensors i need to buy?

THanks.

[swinks]

swinks where did you get your gauge holders from? - i liked the look of them as they sit nice and cleanly on the pillar.
They are Vumaxx holders. Very handy indeed, you'll get different mounts to dash/pillar to your choice. With pillar I used only ball-head base mounted with bolt.
Here is the website:
http://www.vumaxx.com/
and eBay auctions:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=vumaxx&_sacat=131090&_odkw=gauge+holder&_sop=15&_osacat=131090

[BraindG]

They are Vumaxx holders. Very handy indeed, you'll get different mounts to dash/pillar to your choice. With pillar I used only ball-head base mounted with bolt.
Here is the website:
http://www.vumaxx.com/
and eBay auctions:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=vumaxx&_sacat=131090&_odkw=gauge+holder&_sop=15&_osacat=131090

Thank you sir!

[swinks]

What else do i need to make this work? other than the gauge - Are there any cables/sensors i need to buy?

THanks.
You will get sensors with gauges. Most kits has one. It's very unlikely to get gauge without sensors, but better check description twice.
All you need is bunch of wires to get them thru firewall. One for oil temp signal, other for oil pressure signal.

And, please Barry, use a top range sandwich plate, i.e. Mocal, SARD, etc.! They will cost in range of 40 - 60 GBP.

[BraindG]

And, please Barry, use a top range sandwich plate, i.e. Mocal, SARD, etc.! They will cost in range of 40 - 60 GBP.

I just checked on here and ebay, but can't find anything for mitsubishi, could you spoon feed me a link to both a Mocal and SARD sandwich plate we can use?

Thanks
Barry

[BraindG]

They are Vumaxx holders. Very handy indeed, you'll get different mounts to dash/pillar to your choice. With pillar I used only ball-head base mounted with bolt.
Here is the website:
http://www.vumaxx.com/
and eBay auctions:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=vumaxx&_sacat=131090&_odkw=gauge+holder&_sop=15&_osacat=131090
I've just been looking at the gauge holders on http://www.autodials.co.uk (http://www.autodials.co.uk/products/198-vumaxx-gauge-holder-52mm-carbon.aspx), specifically the image of the package and the bits included - Looking at your gauges (https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/287798_305733079522209_239428316_o.jpg), i don't see the sun cover thingy or the rubber flexy boot in the image of the packaging, do you know where can i find them?

[adaxo]

You not need a sun covers in Manchester :lipseal

[swinks]

I've just been looking at the gauge holders on http://www.autodials.co.uk (http://www.autodials.co.uk/products/198-vumaxx-gauge-holder-52mm-carbon.aspx), specifically the image of the package and the bits included - Looking at your gauges (https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/287798_305733079522209_239428316_o.jpg), i don't see the sun cover thingy or the rubber flexy boot in the image of the packaging, do you know where can i find them?
Rubber boot is included in a package, it must be inside a cup holder.
Sun visors I've bought them separately:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_nkw=gauge%20visor&_sop=15

[BraindG]

Rubber boot is included in a package, it must be inside a cup holder.
Sun visors I've bought them separately:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_nkw=gauge%20visor&_sop=15
Ah, cool - ok, thank you!

[swinks]

I just checked on here and ebay, but can't find anything for mitsubishi, could you spoon feed me a link to both a Mocal and SARD sandwich plate we can use?

Thanks
Barry
Can't find Mocal plate with 1/8 npt fittings. There are plenty of 1/2 bsp fittings ones tho. In that case 2 adapters involved: 1/2 bsp to 1/4 bsp, and 1/4 bsp to 1/8 npt. Yhm... not sure if this is the best solution.

[BraindG]

Can't find Mocal plate with 1/8 npt fittings. There are plenty of 1/2 bsp fittings ones tho. In that case 2 adapters involved: 1/2 bsp to 1/4 bsp, and 1/4 bsp to 1/8 npt. Yhm... not sure if this is the best solution.

Not sure i like the sound of adapters, think ill stick with the one i linked.

Thank you for checking and looking for me Tomasz /GJ

[BraindG]

K, just to post what i've found and save me searching for ages later on when i come to buy the stuff..

Pod.
Vumaxx Gauge Holder 52mm (http://www.autodials.co.uk/products/198-vumaxx-gauge-holder-52mm-carbon.aspx)

AFR.
Innovate MTX-L Wideband Gauge (http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/MTXL.php)

Oil Pressure/Temp
Innovate MTX-D: Digital, Oil Temperature & Pressure Gauge (http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/MTXD.php)

[CANDEE]

Get a sandwich plate like these Barry:

http://www.rhdjapan.com/trust-greddy-oil-pressure-and-temperature-sensor-attachment-block-standard-type-21794

http://www.fortyone.co.nz/parts/view/38373.html

http://www.bloxracing.com/bloxshop/index.php?route=product/product&path=106_111&product_id=437

I think M20 is what we need for our filters. :)

[swinks]

M20 is correct size

[jjayokocha]

Buy yourself a universal 3 pod pillar that is bout half the size of our std pillars, respray the std pillar black and then screw the universal pod onto it job done like mine :)

56390

[BraindG]

I'm not so keen on how its attached to the pillar tbh, i'm following in Tomasz's footsteps and getting some Vumaxx ones, infact... one arrived today! - just need to get the AFR Gauge now.

56405

/rally

[BraindG]

Right, i've hovered over the buy button all day now, i can't make up my mind!

Should i get a oil/temp (http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/MTXD.php) gauge or AFR Gauge (http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/MTXL.php) first?

[alan]

afr see its not so hard

[adaxo]

Right, i've hovered over the buy button all day now, i can't make up my mind!

Should i get a oil/temp (http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/MTXD.php) gauge or AFR Gauge (http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/MTXL.php) first?

Afr from Innovate and get a cheaper oil temp pressure, they (oil temp/pressure) pretty simple so not need to be that expensive, I think

[SEAN-NZ]

id go for the o2 sensor first

[amsoil]

im getting oil gaiges next month, the car sits quite low and has just had a spf 20 fitted, is there any other way other than a sandwich plate to plumb in oil gauges?

I do prefer to fit a take off from the main oil gallery but you will know these cars engines better than me so not sure if its possible or practical.
If its not then the 13 filter is shorter and used by many with the spacer plate system.

[elnevio]

I've never had a clearance problem with the 20 filter and a sandwich plate?

[jayp]

I've never had a clearance problem with the 20 filter and a sandwich plate?

+1 here, mine sits about 3 inches above the under tray, so no fear of scraping, or catching!

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[jjayokocha]

Ye same here, sambo plate & oil filter still leaves plenty of clearence

[galantnight]

(collating into one thread)

Looked at a few threads for a few ideas, I've landed on the following combo, this leads on from my oil light flicker (http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51619)thread.

As i have 1 Din space im going to get this 3 position (3 x 2"/52mm) Gauge Pod - fits standard radio slot (http://www.rspec.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=445)

uploaded/3/1282809624.jpg

I've only got a few pennies to spend atm, so will only go for the pressure Gauge so looking at theses.

52mm Smoked Super White (Light & Beep) Oil Pressure Gauge (BAR) (http://www.rspec.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3_82&products_id=308)

uploaded/3/1282810356.jpg



52mm Stepper Motor Super Blue (Warning) Oil Pressure Gauge (http://www.rspec.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3_105&products_id=493)

uploaded/3/1282810490.jpg


Ill need a sandwich plate, so i think this is the one?

Oil Pressure/Temperature Sender Adaptor (M20 x 1.5mm) (http://www.rspec.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=87_89&products_id=382)

uploaded/3/1282810025.jpg

Smaller Oil Filter.

AMSOIL SDF-13 (http://www.performanceoilsltd.co.uk/super_duty_oil_filter.html)


Any other recommendation on 52mm Gauges?

Do i need anything else other than whats listed above?

Thanks

When you put the sensors into the sandwich plate do they just screw in or do you put something like ptfe tape on them to stop them leaking??

Got the same as this one that Barry showed in picture.

TIA jOHN

[John TheAntique]

John, I found I had to put ptfe tape in.

[galantnight]

John, I found I had to put ptfe tape in.

Thanks John that's what i needed to know :)

[elnevio]

Yep, agree with that. PTFE tape a definite help, although it may seal okay without it. /yes

[Nick Mann]

I think that the threads are often tapered, but even then they seem to rarely form an oil tight seal without PTFE. I got into the habit of always using PTFE when putting sensors & bungs into a sandwich plate.

[billybobboot]

I used a small copper washer on all my oil relocation kit and on sensors then used a little ptfe tape on all the an joints. The person from japan that fitted my system used silicon which didnt really work while car is in bits ive stripped all the system and used new copper wasers or ptfe

Work of warning watch the seal on the sandwich plate they dont always seal!!

[galantnight]

Thanks everyone all done now and looks all ok, just used th ptfe tape.

[Braddy40]

Has anyone had a problem with their sandwich plate threading? I recently bought a universal plate on ebay and the three blanking bolts wouldn't tighten fully but wasn't sure if they were meant too and on removing them completely ruined the thread. The sensor was also a bad fit but once again wasn't sure if it is meant to be a one time fitment and not mean for removal.

[peter thomson]

I've always used ptfe tape for those fittings as they tend to leak if not used

[Davezj]

Has anyone had a problem with their sandwich plate threading? I recently bought a universal plate on ebay and the three blanking bolts wouldn't tighten fully but wasn't sure if they were meant too and on removing them completely ruined the thread. The sensor was also a bad fit but once again wasn't sure if it is meant to be a one time fitment and not mean for removal.


i think the threads are 1/4" NPT which is a conical thread. so you do it up until you feel resistance and then stop and this should lock the threads together and make a seal.
if you over tighten this style of thread they tend to trash themselvles.
technically you should not need any tape on the threads as they should fully lock and seal, but i am with peter on this i always put a few wraps of ptfe tape round the threads before doing up.

[Braddy40]

i think the threads are 1/8" NPT which is a conical thread. so you do it up until you feel resistance and then stop and this should lock the threads together and make a seal.
if you over tighten this style of thread they tend to trash themselvles.
technically you should not need any tape on the threads as they should fully lock and seal, but i am with peter on this i always put a few wraps of ptfe tape round the threads before doing up.

OOps! Sounds like I may have trashed mine then. I was wondering why the blanking bolts didnt screw in fully and I over tightened the temp sensor as it didnt seem to have enough of the actual sensor showing through the other end to give a good reading. Fortunately the ebay seller is supplying me with another. Many thanks for the replies and help. 787007870178702

[Braddy40]

Has anyone had problems with oil temperature gauge readings ?
I finally fitted a digital micro oil temp gauge but am unsure if the gauge is broken, fitted incorrectly or that the sandwich plate and sensor is taking a mixed reading as its very close to the front turbo. The digital gauge gradualy flickers up from about 30 -100 . It then continues to rise from 100 and starts jumping to 150 and back to 101, 150 , 102, 150, 103 ...until finally reaching 150!
All oils and coolant are new and engine is in great condition so this isnt reflecting a true reading. My next step will probably be buying a cheap non digital gauge and see if the needle jumps up and down. Thank you in advance for any help on this issue.

[TAR]

sounds like its broken. For general driving I wouldn't expect it to be higher than around 90 degrees.

:happy:

[Braddy40]

sounds like its broken. For general driving I wouldn't expect it to be higher than around 90 degrees.

:happy:

Thanks for the reply. I was going to ask the average temp. Just need to work out if it is the gauge or the sensor that broken.