We have Bass

[VR457]

Here you go - a rough and ready bass install. Box is too high and the load cover does not fit. However, the box volume is fine for the subs.

Equipment - 2 x Kicker Solobaric 15's (the old ones) / 1 x Tru Tech Sledgehammer / lots of wiring, fuses and distribution blocks (mostly concealed).

Power - around 1500 - 2000 WRMS (that is the sub limit, the amp can easily double that if given the right power supply)

Weight - Amp - 12 kgs / Sub + Box - 43 kgs.

Sound - well, come and listen at the RR on 26th March......

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[Colin Wiltshire]

Sweet bass

[Atik]

Holy crap! Where's the boot gone? /lol

Do you really need 2000w? I find 200w ear-drum thumping enough! :p

[foxdie]

I'm toying with doing something like Battery to Boot for something a little crazy as this /woot

[Humpty's Revenge]

WHAT DID YOU SAY?/bananaroc

[Nick Mann]

Knowing your love of good sound, I am looking forward to hearing it!

[Atik]

I can hear it from here!

:D

[VR4Kaos]

now i am looking forward to hearing this jamil !!!

[Turbo_Steve]

That's nice. Utterly ridiculous, but very nice :)

[VR457]

Bring your own CD's! You know what individual music tastes are like...

Hope the people at the place don't mind, but then whose going to be listening?

Still need to finish sound deadening, tweaking the midrange from an amplifier stuck under the box and ultimately, make a box that looks nice and fits better. Still, it took me two years to get here, who knows what form of laziness will strike!

[foxdie]

Pendulum! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogMNV33AhCY&hd=1)

[Nick Mann]

I'd have to agree Jason, although I'd sneak this track (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hszZmFRPqx8&feature=BF&list=ULTahVfEaSPbk&index=14) in first!

[VR4Kaos]

prodigy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voBNpdXkLnU

[VR4Kaos]

on second thoughts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgTB_xt11bA&feature=fvwrel

[Nick Mann]

Chemical Brothers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8Q5j9kXT_o) about 14 seconds in the bass part of your system gets a work out!!

[VR4Kaos]

it's all bout dubstep Nick lmfao

[foxdie]

Dubstep and D&B for the win!

Prodigy are pretty awesome too, Warriors Dance is my favourite track on that whole album :)

[VR4Kaos]

always knew you had good taste Jason matie

[Atik]

Nah, it's gotta be this one here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK2tWVj6lXw

[VR4Kaos]

Nah, it's gotta be this one here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK2tWVj6lXw
lmfao i prefer this tbh Atik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wufqTAc_ids&feature=related

[VR457]

You meanies! I was trying to listen to some Dire Straits and Radiohead earlier, courtesy of wife, to finetune the system. However, on my own i let loose the Terry T remix of Xhibit's Paparazzi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTlWvYtMmVk) and Omg! rattling body panels, inside mirror too blurry to see behind and so on. Mayhem a run!

I scored 142.8 db on Termlab when it was in the Saab. The sound in this setup seems clearer, maybe the cabin design being an estate helps the soundwaves to form better.

Only downside is a 'friend' borrowed the car one day, ramped the amplifier into clipping and overcooked one of the voicecoils. So now it does not kick in properly until a decent volume level.

[Nick Mann]

Call me what you want, but I need some kind of tune/melody. Endless repeating noises without that become irritating!

[Gizmo]

Dubstep and D&B for the win!

Prodigy are pretty awesome too, Warriors Dance is my favourite track on that whole album :)

110% Agree! =D

[Turbo_Steve]

Prodigy just isn't that Bassy, though. Love them, but short of "Hyperspeed" and maybe one or two of the "Charly" remixes - it doesn't actually go that low.
Pendulum goes much lower. However, the lowest of the low still has to be "Slam" -- nothing they've done since goes deeper.
For true depth, though, it HAS to be deep, nasty, DubStep :D I just can't listen to it for too long, though - after 45 minutes, I'm bassed up and need something less sinister.

[Oggie]

Dude you have a small building in your car!!!


Here you go - a rough and ready bass install. Box is too high and the load cover does not fit. However, the box volume is fine for the subs.

Equipment - 2 x Kicker Solobaric 15's (the old ones) / 1 x Tru Tech Sledgehammer / lots of wiring, fuses and distribution blocks (mostly concealed).

Power - around 1500 - 2000 WRMS (that is the sub limit, the amp can easily double that if given the right power supply)

Weight - Amp - 12 kgs / Sub + Box - 43 kgs.

Sound - well, come and listen at the RR on 26th March......

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[VR4Kaos]

lol @ Steve your spot on bud
is anyone else entering the sound off as well as the rolling road lmfao

[foxdie]

Deadmau5 - Raise your Weapon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnwfTHpnGLY) isn't bad, starts quite sedate, then it drops, proper dirty. Naughty I tell you, naughty!

[sonicsoundzdj]

lol @ Steve your spot on bud
is anyone else entering the sound off as well as the rolling road lmfao

I would if u was going lol.
Jamil do you have your door speakers upgraded and amped up? Or just big subs?

[VR457]

Bring on some vr4 soundoffs!!!

Lots of track suggestions there - maybe i need to upgrade the subs! The Chemical Brothers track sounds worth it, also Pendulum is there though i prefer i couple of tracks from their first album for the bass content.

Dubstep - it's awful in general, though some tracks from the Steppas Delight album and the Burial albums are good.

For bass it's D&b all the way for me! Love the pace, melody, squelchiness and all round feeling compared to dubstep which just seems to plod on.

Anyone got a good home stereo, try Bass i Love You and see how low that track goes.

[VR4Kaos]

i am going Mark but wont be entering no sound offs tho with stock door speakers in the fl and rainbows/genesis door speakers in the super dont think i got the ingrediants lol

[Humpty's Revenge]

Sorry guys but its got to be this:-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN7MqRjy3cA

[sonicsoundzdj]

You can get some good audio test tracks in cd/download with a wide array if sounds and frequncy to test and tune your system. There worth a go.

As far as music, gotta agree with Jamil. Not into my dubstep

[chris300zx]

sorry guys but got 1.5 k in th boot of mine an always has to be this track when showing off.......!!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIzSZH6oqeM

[VR4Kaos]

and for the hip hop bass lovers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0JJKHfiGis

[VR457]

Last tune is deffo up there! Altern 8, 'watch your bass bins i'm telling ya' i have not heard in years.

And please don't knock Five Star. They were my favourite when i was a teenager!

[VR457]

Guys, what do you think of these fixings for the sub? Will it hold it in place if i crash????

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[Roberto]

I'll be building a system in The Replacement during the summer.

This:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rhqovo1Nit8
Will be one of the first tracks on......

[Nick Mann]

Heh - remimded me of New Order, Confusion, Pump Panel Remix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLwrdp8RV5A&NR=1). :D

[VR457]

Hey Nick. What do you think of the bungee cord fixings?

[VR457]

i am going Mark but wont be entering no sound offs tho with stock door speakers in the fl and rainbows/genesis door speakers in the super dont think i got the ingrediants lol

You seriously got that setup? I need a listen mate...

[Nick Mann]

Bungees look interesting bud! They should hold for most stuff but a big impact might test them. Could you bolt a bracket in somehow to the load hooks?

[VR4Kaos]

You seriously got that setup? I need a listen mate...

i woulden't embarrasse myself more than i already do Jamil lol

[VR457]

But Genesis and Rainbows man!

[VR4Kaos]

but look at your effin boot mate !!!

[VR457]

Bungees look interesting bud! They should hold for most stuff but a big impact might test them. Could you bolt a bracket in somehow to the load hooks?

I should do that to be on the safe side although the box is wedged in really tight. I keep trying to work out what would happen if about 20 guys slammed the box really hard from the rear.

The main idea was to make a box small enough to bolt onto a rear strut brace. That would mean 12" subs max and i don't want to go that way.

[VR457]

Yeah thats the bass side but the mids and amp i got are not up there with the best. Old Rockfords and Vibe amplifier here...

[CANDEE]

I should do that to be on the safe side although the box is wedged in really tight. I keep trying to work out what would happen if about 20 guys slammed the box really hard from the rear.

The main idea was to make a box small enough to bolt onto a rear strut brace. That would mean 12" subs max and i don't want to go that way.
What about rok straps (http://www.rokstraps.com/products/products.html)?

I had them in my old leggie with a 20ishkg box(Ported 18mm mdf box with a decent sub in it) and it never moved at all...
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I now have them in my Galant and have an even heavier box and sub, and have even been to the track including spinning the car, and gravel roads and the box has never even moved....

Note below pic is another of my old subs with the strap install over the top.. lol
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[VR457]

So the strap goes over the box and is screwed down into the panel? I like the idea of these straps, just need more ideas on the fixing please.

[VR457]

If you see this Jeremy, what length of strap do i need?

Ps - what's the DLS sub sound like?

[CANDEE]

Hey Jamil,

Off a quick measurement my ones are 55ish inches long from end to end(should come in pairs). :) I run them over the box screwed into the MDF floor on both sides in the Galant.

In the leggie, I had them secured on the seat bolt mounts, but this wouldnt have stopped the box bouncing up and down.

You could mount them to the wheel wells via bolts?

The DLS sounded very nice, clear and punchy even in a not so great ported box, but it didnt have the output of the RE(made 138.6 db off about 500RMS), even in a correctly designed enclosure.. :( I now have an Image Dynamics iDMAX 12 in the car which is just as clear, but louder even in a sealed box.. :P Am going to build a ported box for it soon. :)

J

[VR457]

Thanks for the info on the straps. The box is mounted on an MDF floor anyway so i can secure it like that.

IDMAX 12 sounds like the way to go. The response curve on BB6 Pro looks like a JL 13W7, ie low and so you would not need a large box to pound. For ported i would have thought a lot of the lows would be sacrificed for the punchier sound but it depends if the music you listen to needs that. What freq. are you planning to tune it to anyway?

Anyhow, i can screenshot some graphs if you get round to designing a ported box!

[Davezj]

You have to try this track i love it
voodoo child by rouge traders

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m7PfRxeh3Q

[Davezj]

Or this but just the first 19 seconds turn it right up and it will make you s**t your pants. it would test you step quite nicely i think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxYw0XPEoKE

[VR457]

The first track the speakers can deal with no probs. It would go ear scrapingly loud. The second, ok till 17 secs then Blam! That really would wake someone up!

[Davezj]

the second one if you didn't know what was coming is a bit of a shocker and the track is old enough now that a lot of the younger generation will never have heard it.

if have the stereo loud enough to make the opening 15 second loud it really will take you by surprise.

[CANDEE]

Thanks for the info on the straps. The box is mounted on an MDF floor anyway so i can secure it like that.

IDMAX 12 sounds like the way to go. The response curve on BB6 Pro looks like a JL 13W7, ie low and so you would not need a large box to pound. For ported i would have thought a lot of the lows would be sacrificed for the punchier sound but it depends if the music you listen to needs that. What freq. are you planning to tune it to anyway?

Anyhow, i can screenshot some graphs if you get round to designing a ported box!
No worries re the straps, they are very useful. Will have to find another set for my mates install once I get into that.. lol

According to the ID site they recommend 2.5cuft @ 28ishhz, listen to a lot of d'n'b & dubstep(Pendulum, Concord Dawn, Sal Dub etc), and the missus's is a bit of a basshead as well....

Gettin bass out of the Galant is proving a tall order after how easy the Leggie was to get loud... PB was 142.2 db @42 hz with a DD 9512 d2, e-audio 3000d, 4g power wire and a 350ish cca battery... lol

[VR457]

I have plotted some graphs for you - a) sealed (pink line) b) 2.5 cu.ft@28Hz (blue line) c) 3.0 cu.ft@25Hz (green line). I have included the incar transfer response as 6db per octave at 70Hz.

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The tradeoff for the 3 cu. ft box is the increased lag in the sound under 32Hz or so. However, above that, the sound is tighter, almost comparable to sealed. But look at the output and the flatness of the amplitude response from 30Hz!

Is your Galant a normal Saloon? Does it have a rear metal shelf and a ski hatch? If so, you can consider a 4th order bandpass design.

[CANDEE]

A 3cuft box will be hard to fit into the car, I already have issues with a 1.5 gross box with the battery in the back too... lol

The galants have a metal rear shelf, but they have a big opening behind the seats, though that will be sealed when I move my amp into the back of the car again... :)

[VR457]

With a bandpass you could have the port facing the back of the seats, firing into the gap. The amp could be mounted on the rear of the box, in this case, the side facing the boot.

[foxdie]

Was searching through my old backups when I found this on MP3, would be perfect for Jamil to play :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj9_yW8tZxs

[VR457]

So, after the brief demo at the Midlands RR, would anyone care to add comments and suggestions? Thanks.

[foxdie]

You made the glassware shake inside Rev It's waiting room!

[Atik]

WHAT???

:d


Its frigging mental. Internal organ vibratingly mental. Love it :D

[Humpty's Revenge]

I personally think that the overtones on such orchestral sound tracks initially needed to be a little spontaneous on the infractions with a distortion be deeper than a barreton with articulation with mono undertones!.

[Atik]

Wot he sed!

:p /lol

[VR4Kaos]

I personally think that the overtones on such orchestral sound tracks initially needed to be a little spontaneous on the infractions with a distortion be deeper than a barreton with articulation with mono undertones!.
:iagree::givemebee

[Nick Mann]

It made me giggle! And PMSL at Mr. Bump! That is worthy of a short video when you get a chance!

[Kimmo_]

Nice variety of music, keep it coming.

-k-

[VR457]

Mr Bump needs a video definitely. Just don't have enough res to do this!

Thanks for the comments esp, Steve....????!!!!!

It didn't sound too loud outside the car but inside was good for most days i think. Still thinking if i can afford some new subs that will take the power the amp can chuck out.