can someone interpret this please>

[Scanny]

i cant help but notice the camber on my back wheels and i dont really like it, not do i understand why my back wheels are cambered distinctly enough to see a difference from the front wheels so i would like to know why. i cant scan thanks to my printer and laptop not talking to each other so i will have to type it out so someone can put it into english for me.

primary angles specifications
initial min max final
FRONT caster left 5.26' 3.00 6.00 5.29
right 5.11' 3.00 6.00 5.13

camber left -1.38 -1.05 -0.05 -1.45
right -1.28 -1.05 -0.05 -1.29

toe left -1.25 -0.09 -0.09 0.01
right -0.19 -0.09 -0.09 0.00
total -1.44 -0.18 0.18 0.01


REAR camber left -3.04 -2.00 -1.00 -3.04
right -3.12 -2.00 -1.00 -3.13

toe left -0.11 0.00 0.18 0.09
right 0.07 0.00 0.18 0.09
total -0.05 0.00 0.36 0.18

thrust angle 0.09 xxxx xxxx 0.00


secondary angles specifications
initia min max final
SAI left 8.24 5.50 8.50 8.24
right 8.19 5.50 8.50 8.19

included angle left 6.47 xxxx xxxx 6.39
right 6.51 xxxx xxxx 6.49
toe out on turns
max turn inside
toe curve change
setback front 2mm xxxx xxxx 2mm
rear 6mm xxxx xxxx 6mm

track width diff 9mm xxxx xxxx 9mm
wheel base diff -4mm xxxx xxxx -4mm
front ride height
rear ride height
frame angle

apologies for the layout. i did put spaces everywhere so it appeared as it does on the report but the forum software has cleared them all and shoved everything together

[Subaru ETA]

I assume your car is lowered?

[Badger_01]

Woah your rear camber was servilely on the piss, might be why your been having problems

[Subaru ETA]

Nope, that camber measurement looks about right for a lowered VR4

[Badger_01]

Really? Crap I havent even lowered the rear yet and mines at 1.62 and isnt it with the new rules/law that camber cant be more than +1 or +0.5 from factory?

[Subaru ETA]

That's if you are getting a low volume cert.

If you search there is a camber mod that Gly posted ages ago

[Badger_01]

That's if you are getting a low volume cert.

If you search there is a camber mod that Gly posted ages ago

Which I'll have to get for coilovers anyway and yep I know about that, already have everything for it when the time comes haha

[Nick Mann]

Richie - as above, looks okay for a lowered VR4. Rear camber increases as you lower the car.

Reece - If I have read everything correctly, factory spec is 1-2 degrees of camber and yours is 1.6. Surely that means yours is in spec?

[Badger_01]

Reece - If I have read everything correctly, factory spec is 1-2 degrees of camber and yours is 1.6. Surely that means yours is in spec?

Yeah its in spec, but it wont be when I lower it :P

[CANDEE]

Reece the rules are that you can you take the maximum negative camber allowed in spec and then add 0.5 degrees. Ie the front is 0.5 deg + 0.5 deg so you get 1 deg. The rear on ours is 1.5 deg + 0.5 = 2 degrees.

Ive been told by a certifier if you give them an alignment sheet with the correct specs(within 30 days old) and it doesnt "look over" for photo's then it can be over that... Hell my right rear has 2.5 deg atm..

[Scanny]

as far as i know it is lowered by 60mm which looks good but its too impractical for me and the ride is too stiff. its just looking at the back wheels that concerns me. the curves of the car make it look like its not straight anyway but i dont like the negative camber look even though it is supposedly good for handling. im not sure its good for the suspension though. my logic being that if it is designed to be straight and it isnt then there must be excess stress on something even though there will be built in tolerances

[Subaru ETA]

Ok well if you don't like it, raise it.... Seems pretty simple

[Scanny]

its only that simple if you simplify it to that level and i wont. i have a set of standard springs but then the car will be too high. i dont want standard height but i dont want too stiff either. im looking for a 30 - 40mm drop but without rattling the car to bits on the poorly repaired roads round here

[Badger_01]

get some damping adjustable coilovers then

[Pugme]

I've no idea how much negative camber im running, but it hasnt done any harm to my suspension, just means I have to swap the tyres over every six months! Lol

[Subaru ETA]

Well live with it then. You don't want to spend money on it so you will have to live with how it is unless you fit some nice height and dampener adjustable coil overs

[Davezj]

This good advice, if you want the ride height and stiffness to your liking, coil overs and adjustable dampers is the only way to go.
They are great especially when you can adjust the damper stiffness from inside the car electronically while driving. I have not got that bit sorted yet but a belated chistmas present from my wife will be ordered soon from tein, motors and adjuster screw tops, I have everything else for the job but the motor and adjusters on there own will cost £150.
Good job my wife loves me.

[Scanny]

i had coilovers on the V6 and didnt like them. i found the car skipped when it hit a bump instead of sliding but im not sure if that was the nature of the coilovers or the settings i had at the top of the struts. out of about 12 possible settings i had them all set at the 3rd click. i didnt have the car long enough to play with them and see what difference those settings made to the ride or car control. i could use the rear ones as long as i dont want to adjust the height but i would need a pair of fronts. im not sure if i want coilovers though or just try and find a set of springs that i can live with. spax do a 40mm drop but i have no idea how stiff they are

[Davezj]

doesn't N/A V6 suspension fit straight no to a VR4 all round, maybe a slightly soft spring used on the V6.

just transfer it all over and set it to it's softest setting that should do it.
if your suspension is like most others, like teins, full colckwise is hardest and fully anticlockwise is the softest. so you had you suspension set to almost the hardest setting it could be. which is no wonder you were a bit bouncy round rough corner.
i have mine set to the softest it can be and that is still quite hard. i would only use the harder setings for a on track use with very smooth tarmac.

[Subaru ETA]

As soon as you lower it you will get negative camber. You have said you "don't like the look" of negative camber.

You either have to go back to standard or do the camber mod. I have a feeling you wont want to do the mod, so you will have to go back to standard height.

As for coil overs - you either had **** ones, or they were set up ****!

[Scanny]

i dont have standard V6 suspension. the coilovers are still on it and the standard items were binned by the garage who fitted the coilies

what are progressive springs?

[The Vee]

progessive springs are ones which are designed to be firmer as they compress. IE they should give a reasononable ride over normal road but on rougher surfaces or cornering, as the spring compresses it will stop too much pitching or roll (theoretically). I believe Eibach are like this and aren't a bad spring if matched with correct damper eg bilstein. However, it is worth remembering that in general, most aftermarket springs will stiffen the ride and lower the car by some degree so camber will always be affected unless you do the mod mentioned by others.
Also worth noting that if you fit wider wheels the neg camber can help to reduce rubbing on the wheel arch. Lower the car, increase camber and rubbing may well result.

[Scanny]

i think i am going to have the stock springs put on. wider wheels wont be a problem as i am sticking to stock EVO wheels as they are guaranteed to clear the brembos but there are other issues. the exhaust was straightened this morning after catching the tailpipe on a speed bump a while ago and the sump has dents on it so it has been caught a few times although when is anyones guess. it looks good with a 60mm drop but its too uncomfortable (never thought i would complain about that) and its too impractical for an everyday car