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billybobboot
30-09-2015, 08:05 AM
Ok last job engine is almost built last job is injectors was thinking of going 500-550cc are these going to be about right from what i worked out they should be. Im running wilbro and afpr and running civic coils.

Adam.Findlay
30-09-2015, 09:38 AM
go Injector dynamics ID1000
you will be running 550's near their limit with TD04's

billybobboot
30-09-2015, 12:40 PM
Thought 550 was enough. 1000 seams a bit high dont it?

swinks
30-09-2015, 01:06 PM
IMO, 560cc from Evo 6-8 should be enough for range 500ish, otherwise get some RC 750cc with 340lph fuel pump.
Adam, ID1000 is rather overkill in this setup.

BTW, don't forget distance washers for a fuel rail, 560cc or RC 750cc are taller injectors than stock VR4.

billybobboot
30-09-2015, 02:23 PM
I was thinking evo or rx7fc (have 6 spare 550 rx7 fc ones) im not going near 500 will be around 400. If i go more i can change injectors later if they do prove a problem

Colin Wiltshire
30-09-2015, 05:27 PM
IMO, 560cc from Evo 6-8 should be enough for range 500ish, otherwise get some RC 750cc with 340lph fuel pump.
Adam, ID1000 is rather overkill in this setup.

BTW, don't forget distance washers for a fuel rail, 560cc or RC 750cc are taller injectors than stock VR4.

Would these 750cc injectors be a straight fit-ish as in the correct impedence with no resister pack?

swinks
30-09-2015, 06:42 PM
I'm afraid not, they are low impedance designed for Evo. Great quality tho.

Adam.Findlay
01-10-2015, 06:29 AM
1000cc isnt overkill. The modern 1000ccs have idle quality as good if not better than the stock 390's and they are easily available. And can get them with adaptor collars so they drop straight in.

Davezj
01-10-2015, 12:03 PM
Just out of interest how much are they With conversion coils?

is it an NZ supply or USA or EU company. Just thinking about shipping and import duty and VAT (Value Added Tax).
Basically we have to add 1/3 to the cost of anything you can buy in NZ plus shipping.

swinks
01-10-2015, 05:42 PM
Dave, Indigo-GT and Ross Sport have them in stock.
Not cheap at all.

Davezj
03-10-2015, 11:20 AM
I was interested in seeing how much they cost in NZ to gauge what a reasonable price was. As everything car related seems to be cheaper in NZ.

swinks
03-10-2015, 06:39 PM
I was interested in seeing how much they cost in NZ to gauge what a reasonable price was. As everything car related seems to be cheaper in NZ.
Yes, cheaper, but once you hit with duties, vat and handling fee on top it becomes even more expensive than here in UK.

Davezj
03-10-2015, 08:28 PM
This is why I wears asking about price.
The Ross sport website is not working so I can't check price on there. I will have to check indigo gt as I have no idea what the cost is of the id1000 injectors.

swinks
03-10-2015, 08:34 PM
Ross do sales via MLR (PM way) or telephone. They haven't got fully functional website.

Davezj
03-10-2015, 09:00 PM
I have had a look at indigo-gt and it looks like the injectors are sold separately in singles and they are £415 each which does not sound right. It does not say that it is a set of 4 for £415 sure they can't be £415 each

Adam.Findlay
03-10-2015, 09:36 PM
Going rate is about 130-140NZD each. Regardless of where you buy them from.

swinks
03-10-2015, 10:08 PM
I have had a look at indigo-gt and it looks like the injectors are sold separately in singles and they are £415 each which does not sound right. It does not say that it is a set of 4 for £415 sure they can't be £415 each
Yes, it's price for 4.

Davezj
03-10-2015, 10:20 PM
Ok that is a bit more realistic. Still expansive £600 plus for a set. If you can get someone to split a set with you.
Interesting to see what it cost in NZ.

Adam.Findlay
04-10-2015, 09:52 AM
http://www.nzperformance.co.nz/injector-dynamics-fuel-injectors/injector-dynamics-id1000-1000cc-fuel-injector.html

http://www.nzefi.com/product/bosch-1000ccmin-top-feed-fuel-injector/

Im going with the Bosch EV14's from NZEFI for my car

Davezj
04-10-2015, 11:55 AM
cheers adam.
so it is about £450 for id1000 not sure if that is including the GST (removing GST at 24% from below calc which i assume is possible £342) this is including the top size converted.
and about £288 without GST for the bosch or £357 with GST (therefore GST is about 24%) this is including the top size converted and wiring plug.

so in the UK we could buy the bosch injector for £288 with combined duty and VAT at about 30% the cost will be about £375 so if shipping is £25 about £400 total.

Id1000 shipped and duty and vat paid in the uk £445 plus the same shipping £25 it is about £470

obviously i have had to make some assumption in the colculation but they seem resonable.
this is a substancial saving over the UK price. there is no real point to this apart from a price comparison.

billybobboot
04-10-2015, 01:26 PM
mmmmm still 1000cc seams high, as if cant get the fuel low enough will always run rich, allthoug that said the fcon and the fpr and wilbro fuel pump it should be able to be set low enough,

bosch seam best as they give the plug adapter too, only other thing will the fuel rail need to be raised or lowered with these i know they come with adapters but would i need the adapers or will i need to raise the fuel rail and use the adapters, i hoping to keep stock rail as mine has has the feeds changed and the link pipe at the back has the uprated gto kit fitted.

lateshow
04-10-2015, 07:38 PM
I have Bosch EV14 850cc that fit straight in....although they seem a bit loose but work well. And I am very pleased with the quality of the series I bought.

billybobboot
06-10-2015, 07:52 PM
850cc seams better size i take it there is no resistors needed?

bit loose is ok as i and mod the stock plactic spacer and make it a little shorter quite easly.

i really am after something the right side to backly to a direct fit plug isnt an issue just dont want to be messing about with resisters and massivly messing with the hight of the fuel rail as with the rear feed pipe it makes it more difficult as the piping is bigger than stock.

billybobboot
06-10-2015, 07:54 PM
the 850cc are a far better price than the 1000cc ones the extra just really upps the price for 4 for about £250-300 to 4 for £470-£500

billybobboot
06-10-2015, 07:58 PM
do we have 11mm or 14mm fuel rail? can messure mine just have to find the fuel rail to start with

billybobboot
08-10-2015, 10:09 PM
anyone know the answer to this? are the fittings 11mm or 14mm? wanna get these ordered asap.

Dice
09-10-2015, 07:49 AM
The ID1000's work fine on stock turbos with 98 or E85 ethanol. NZ and Australian members have used them extensively and found no issues with low fuel conditions, these are better in every respect. I have a set in my Galant.

billybobboot
09-10-2015, 07:54 PM
do like the 1000s just the extra cash for something im not going to use seams a waist, 850s will do the job and not come close to being maxed 850s it will be, I don't mind spending money but if it just going to use the extra I would much rather use the extra cash on other bit that need changing, if 850s really wont do it ill go for 1000s but cant see me getting close to the 850s let aloan the 1000s,

so question do I need 11mm or 14mm tops?

Adam.Findlay
10-10-2015, 07:50 AM
yeah the 1000's have better atomisation so return better economy.
1000's are so cheap these days your silly not to get them.

11mm tops

billybobboot
10-10-2015, 08:55 AM
Other thing is will the 1000s fit strait in or will i need to change the rail hight? As its not a problem but just means a little more work and need the car running by end of month due to mapping and mot is now causing issues as it due 2nd nov. So need to order these today.

billybobboot
10-10-2015, 08:56 AM
Im asuming there just wire up and go no resister needed ect as thats just another pain to deal with as got lots of wiring to do with the coil packs

Adam.Findlay
10-10-2015, 10:58 AM
yes correct length.
yes they are high impedence
they will require new connectors to be wired into the loom as the EV-14's use a bosch connector not a Denso one.

all things which can easily be found out with <30 seconds on google.

billybobboot
10-10-2015, 01:27 PM
I could find out if they needed a resistor. New conectors wasnt issue as new this was if it needed resistor i didnt wanna get involved in. All ordered will have to wait for them to turn up.

swinks
10-10-2015, 01:50 PM
I may be wrong, please do correct me...:)
Those high impedance injectors are 12 Ohm and stock vr4 injectors are 16 Ohms. Not exact match.

billybobboot
10-10-2015, 06:51 PM
Lower ohms slightly but still not low impedance injectors might be part of the diffrence between bosch and denso injectors maybe.
I dont know if it applies to injectors be low ohms normaly means more power to the component. Although it may mean the injector needs min of 12 ohms or it can run down to 12 ohms.

billybobboot
10-10-2015, 07:00 PM
Just read into this high impedance injectors run between 12-16 ohms there fully compatable its just the amount of power they can handle. E.g. you can give them all the power you want but they will only run as low as 12 ohms.

They use the same theory as car speakers the lower the ohms the hotter they wire and system gets the lower you go the faster the responce of the system.

A 12ohms injector will open and shut quicker than a 16 ohms but still works in the same way but runs a little hotter but isnt as fast as a low impedance injector but these run hot. From what i can work out they dont quite opperate in the same way but you get the idea. 12ohms is the highest speed high impedance injector you can get

billybobboot
10-10-2015, 07:03 PM
You cant low impedance injectors with high ohms ecu but you can run high impedance injectors with a low impedance ecu.

Davezj
10-10-2015, 09:06 PM
You cant low impedance injectors with high ohms ecu but you can run high impedance injectors with a low impedance ecu.

Can't you put a resistor in parallel with the injector to reduce the over all resistance the ecu see.
So if you have a 12 Ohm injector and put a 12 ohm resistor in parallel and the ecu will see 6 ohms. This just an example.

billybobboot
11-10-2015, 11:06 AM
um i was looking at getting ready to strip my fuel rail and i have a question, why have i got bosch injectors in both the 2 fuel rails i have?

do the stock ones run bosch but with a denso plug? as these clearly have stamped licence bosch on them that on all 12 i have. they dont even look bosch injectors not denso.

billybobboot
11-10-2015, 11:14 AM
ah forget that are bosch but have a diffrent connector to the 1000s