My single turbo pics and results!

[rajvr497]

Just tought i would share some pics and the results of the single turbo setup i did for a friend.
380HP ATW @ 392 FT-LBS TQ @ 20psi boost

Garrett t3/t4 journal bearing turbo
Tial 44mm wastegate
2 rear stock manifolds ported
2'' runners.
aem water/meth kit
evo 7 injectors



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[rajvr497]

Had to stop @ 380whp due to spark plug blowout.
did a re-gap now its on 22psi so hopefully we are on the 400whp mark!!

[hbkuk1]

I can't see the pics :( what ecu are you running?

[Nick Mann]

At the wheels? Strewth!

[MarkSanne]

Wow!!! Awesome!!!

[Davezj]

they are some great results, 380hp at the wheels, which meas the engine is makeing about 430-450hp at the fly.

i do have a couple of questions though.

did you have any issue with the position of the MAF, with a cone filter directly on the input. do you get a reliable air flow mass measurement.

how are you monitoring the engine?
are you measuring AFR, EGT, coolant temp, oil temp, or just using the AFR.


i would like to see some print outs of the dyno run just to see what the power and torque deliviry is accross the rev range this type of single turbo conversion gives.
i would presume it is all top end 5000rpm plus. so a print out would be good to see.

[foxdie]

I second Davezj - I wanna see graphs to see turbo response :)

First thought is, if there's notable lag, could a sequential system be built to use a single (or perhaps both) TD03 just to get the car moving? :)

(Brain is already racing thinking about control valves to help build boost like the sequential systems in Subaru's)

[Davezj]

it will be interesting to know if this setup with filter on the front of the MAF works well at low air supply as well as high air supply. being able to remove the air box will give me a lot more scope for the TD04 conversion inlet pipework to the turbos.

[rajvr497]

here is the dyno printout guys.....
AFR/KNOCK/COOLANT TEMP ETC was monitored trough evoscan.
At this point we started getting spark plug blowout as shown on the dyno graph at about 5500rpm upwards....
did not have enough time to gap plugs and go again.The car now runs 22psi after gapping the plugs the other day smooth.
Everything was done by me including the tuning!

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[rajvr497]

Will visit the dyno soon again after some more mods!

[Humpty's Revenge]

Just tought i would share some pics and the results of the single turbo setup i did for a friend.
380HP ATW @ 392 FT-LBS TQ @ 20psi boost

Garrett t3/t4 journal bearing turbo
Tial 44mm wastegate
2 rear stock manifolds ported
2'' runners.
aem water/meth kit
evo 7 injectors



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Not bad at all

A few questions please:-

Why are you still using the MAF ?

What size compressor trim option are you using ?

Is the engine internals standard ?

Any head work done ?

What plugs are you using ?

Are they standard coil packs ?

Any plans for modified plenum ?

Could you not use a bigger wastegate ?

/thankyou

[rajvr497]

Sure Steve,in order to run the system without a MAF would require a full management and we just didn't have enough cash so we stayed with the stock ecu.The turbo is a 60 trim stage 3 garrett t3/t4,the engine is stock nothing was done to the internals,stock coils and wires range 7 NGK iridiums.Went with the 44mm wastegate just in case we decide to use a bigger turbo.
Modified plenum in the making but for another single turbo setup this one is remaining as is.....here is a pic of the modified plenum for the next build.

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[hbkuk1]

Nice job looks good

[Humpty's Revenge]

Sure Steve,in order to run the system without a MAF would require a full management and we just didn't have enough cash so we stayed with the stock ecu.The turbo is a 60 trim stage 3 garrett t3/t4,the engine is stock nothing was done to the internals,stock coils and wires range 7 NGK iridiums.Went with the 44mm wastegate just in case we decide to use a bigger turbo.
Modified plenum in the making but for another single turbo setup this one is remaining as is.....here is a pic of the modified plenum for the next build.

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/thankyou Raj

[Davezj]

here is the dyno printout guys.....
AFR/KNOCK/COOLANT TEMP ETC was monitored trough evoscan.
At this point we started getting spark plug blowout as shown on the dyno graph at about 5500rpm upwards....
did not have enough time to gap plugs and go again.The car now runs 22psi after gapping the plugs the other day smooth.
Everything was done by me including the tuning!

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Thank for the pic of the dyno run.

It makes power lower on the rev range than I would have thought, and holds it well. Very nice.
Is the graph definitely the at the wheels figure? Because if it is that would be really really nice.
Is the car running stock cams?
did you open the gap or close the gap on the plugs, i presume you colsed the gap up, what did you gap them to 0.5mm, 0.6mm, 0.7mm, 0.8mm, 0.9mm?
I presume the blips in the power curve is the spark blow out you were talking about.
I presume the water methanol injection helped a lot to keep the knocking under control.
What fuel are you using, I presume petrol, and not E85, and what octane rating is the petrol if you are using petrol. I know in some countries you can only get 93 or 95 octane where as in the UK 98-99 is available.
So a setup like yours would run even better in the uk.


Sent from my space-aged gizmo

[rajvr497]

The dynos we have in trinidad can only read WHP Dave.Stock cams but plans are being made to install some regrinds from adam soon,
Car made that 380whp on 95 octane gas and water meth which helped a lot to keep knock under control.
Plug gap was reduced from 0.8mm to 0.6mm which cleared up the spark plug blowout.The aim was to make 400 WHP on a stock head/block,coils,wires etc.
Didn't expect to make that amount of HP due to the stock manifolds we used but i guess porting the outlet flange to 2'' helped alot....:)

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[rajvr497]

just a short clip running on the dyno....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDZmK-ZpI6o

[foxdie]

Raj, what you've achieved is great, it's just got that feeling of being too good to be true, I base this feeling on;

* Running it on 95 RON, I realise you have meth but... 95??
* Looking at the speedo in that dyno video, it looks like he's doing a run in 1st gear
* The video doesn't show the actual dyno readouts

Also, where was the IT sensor and what was its readout? I presume the temp on the sheet is the AT. Where the IT is placed could wildly skew the results.

If you have truly achieved this, I tip my hat to you :)

[SAF68]

Only 380 Awhp @ 20 psi with T3 turbo ?? You have a big problem Sir ....

Saf

[rajvr497]

Speedo is not working Jason that's malfunctioning.....lol
and yes 95 octane and water meth.
will be visiting the dyno again soon hoping to cross the 400whp mark will make a proper video this time showing the dyno results this time lolz......

[foxdie]

Speedo is not working Jason that's malfunctioning.....lol
and yes 95 octane and water meth.
will be visiting the dyno again soon hoping to cross the 400whp mark will make a proper video this time showing the dyno results this time lolz......

I look forward to it. Any VR-4 making more than 350 HP interests me greatly ;)

[Davezj]

The dynos we have in trinidad can only read WHP Dave.Stock cams but plans are being made to install some regrinds from adam soon,
Car made that 380whp on 95 octane gas and water meth which helped a lot to keep knock under control.
Plug gap was reduced from 0.8mm to 0.6mm which cleared up the spark plug blowout.The aim was to make 400 WHP on a stock head/block,coils,wires etc.
Didn't expect to make that amount of HP due to the stock manifolds we used but i guess porting the outlet flange to 2'' helped alot....:)

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That is a cracking result. particularly as you only have 95 octane fuel.
thanks for posting back with the answers.

i too look forwand to the next installment of the dyno runs. looks like some good videos to come.

[Davezj]

Only 380 Awhp @ 20 psi with T3 turbo ?? You have a big problem Sir ....

Saf
SAF68 would you like elaborate on your statement.
the majority of the people on this forum do not have the tuning background that you have, so making a statement like that is not very helpful.
if you would like to make some helpful and constructive comments they are always welcome and i would like to hear what you have to see on the situation.
what exactly is so bad about it.

[rajvr497]

I await his comments,Dave!
because to me stock manifolds,stock heads,stock block hell everything is mostly stock and a journal bearing t3/t4 turbo 380-400whp @ 20-24psi for me is a great accomplishment.

[Bobby~d]

Great job Raj. Keep up the great work pal.


Dw@r!k@

[CANDEE]

Is the turbo a TA3410? and what exhaust housing are you using?

[rajvr497]

Is the turbo a TA3410? and what exhaust housing are you using?


It's a garrett t3t4 turbo Jeremy,60trim, A/R 0.63 turbine housing

[rajvr497]

Thanks alot bobby!

[CANDEE]

It's a garrett t3t4 turbo Jeremy,60trim, A/R 0.63 turbine housing

Will be interesting to see the compared results when mine will be running - TA3410(60-1) with the .82 exhaust housing. But i have a custom manifold & regrinds.

[SAF68]

I all ,

First you need to understand the limit of the stock plenum , stock thorttle body ... with same parts on tinny 19t vs T3 , i made 485awh

Look the engine of my old setup to confirm :

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T3 move a ton of air vs 19T ..@ the same boost you can have the same power that i made or for sure more...

Many peoples want to go with big plenum , Big TB , Big fuel ramp , bigger valves ...But how many guy know the HP limit off all parts ?? Trust me , just a little bit ... :(

To know the limit , it's not very difficult , just show the mitsubishi family and all dyno with stock and performance parts .. For exemple , see the GTO/3000GT , Diameter of stock TB , volume of the stock plenum and you'll understand ;) With same diameter or volume , the GTO can go to +800awhp

Remember , to make power , you'll need AIR and timing ( of course , fuel to have a good mixture ) The Mitsubishi galant parts is not restrictive to give you more air.
An other exemple , check the valve size of 6A13TT vs 2JZ Supra ;)
Sorry all , but it's very difficult for me to explain in English , with French , no problem ..

Please all , stop to spend a lot of money on stupid performance parts ..Remember , some performance parts are only for buisness and win a lot of money but no more power ...
For me the best way if you want to upgrade your engine go with :

-First : Flowbench of the heads ( remember more Air = more power , engine is an air pump no more)
-Cams ( little bit more duration and lift )
-1 big turbo T3/T4
-Fuel ( walbro 485lph and bosh injectors )
-Conrod and piston
-Change the ****ing coils with stock 3000GT
-Change the ecu with stand alone

ENjoy 600/700awhp easy

Saf

[Adam.Findlay]

I all ,

First you need to understand the limit of the stock plenum , stock thorttle body ... with same parts on tinny 19t vs T3 , i made 485awh

T3 move a ton of air vs 19T ..@ the same boost you can have the same power that i made or for sure more...

Many peoples want to go with big plenum , Big TB , Big fuel ramp , bigger valves ...But how many guy know the HP limit off all parts ?? Trust me , just a little bit ... :(

To know the limit , it's not very difficult , just show the mitsubishi family and all dyno with stock and performance parts .. For exemple , see the GTO/3000GT , Diameter of stock TB , volume of the stock plenum and you'll understand ;) With same diameter or volume , the GTO can go to +800awhp

Please all , stop to spend a lot of money on stupid performance parts ..Remember , some performance parts are only for buisness and win a lot of money but no more power ...
For me the best way if you want to upgrade your engine go with :

-First : Flowbench of the heads ( remember more Air = more power , engine is an air pump no more)
-Cams ( little bit more duration and lift )
-1 big turbo T3/T4
-Fuel ( walbro 485lph and bosh injectors )
-Conrod and piston
-Change the ****ing coils with stock 3000GT
-Change the ecu with stand alone

ENjoy 600/700awhp easy

Saf

Are you serious?
a pair of 19T TD04's will deliver a hell of a lot more air than a single T3/T4 ever could.
although this build does leaves alot to be desired in the likes of reusing stock manifolds etc he has done bloody well to get the power he has done on a limited budget (not everyone can afford forged pistons, conrods and stand alone engine management). and trust me I know a thing or two about these engines.

I would like to see you make 700whp from a T3/T4 the same size as used on this car. try that out and let me know how it goes.

[Humpty's Revenge]

/popcorn

[SAF68]

Yes i'm serious , how much cfm delivery the 19T HL vs Precision 6466cea or 6262R or old GT3082R or GTX T3 turbo???

Please , give me an answers and you'll see that i'm right .. This a link to help to decid about your answer : http://www.stealth316.com/2-turboguide.htm


I would like to see you make 700whp from a T3/T4 the same size as used on this car. try that out and let me know how it goes.

Excuse me with respect but looool !!! Do you know my new setup ? Do you know what i have on my galant? Do you know how many awhp i have now with stock heads, stock cams , stock valve ?

Answer is No , but to make easy , i will go with my camera to make a movie just for you and and manys pictures about my setup , and you'll understand how much awhp i have ... To be sure , more than 800awhp..

Saf

[rajvr497]

hey SAF do you have the dyno chart showing that you actually made 487whp?
i am not saying that you are not telling the truth,its just looking at an engine cant really tell me the power output also i will just like to compare it with mines...:)
and the t3t4 turbo is not really a big turbo its only efficient till 490whp.Another thing is i strongly believe that a pair or TD04 19T's will supply a lot more air than the t3t4.
also you need to remember nothing was done to this engine and its components everything factory........

[Adam.Findlay]

TD04HL-19T peak flow is 44 Lb/min

60 trim T3/T04E aka T3/T4 is 53 Lb/min

a pair of TD04HL-19T turbos flows 1.6 times more air than a 60 Trim T3/T4 can.

giving Raj's power figures if you extrapolate it out purely from an airflow stand point, the extra airflow pair of TD04HL-19T's would provide over a T3/T4 would be 380hp x ~1.6 = 608hp

I think you are getting your turbo sizing confused. just becasue a turbo has a T3 turbine flange does not make it a T3/T4 turbo. A T3/T4 is a hybrid very commonly used it utilises parts from two old garret 'T' series turbos. the turbine from a T3 turbo and the compressor from a T04E. this promotes betterspool up than the T04E turbo and more airflow than the T3 turbos. this is in no way comparable to a Precision 6466cea, 6262R, garrett GT3082R or GTX series turbos.

the more modern precision, Garrett, Holset, Borg-Warner etc are great turbos but we aren't talking about those here.
My point was if you were to use a old T3/T04E 60 trim the same as Raj has used and you used it on an equally stock engine the way he has you would have similar results.

go on then chap. prove to me you have a 800whp 6A13TT..

[Nick Mann]

hey SAF do you have the dyno chart showing that you actually made 487whp?
i am not saying that you are not telling the truth,its just looking at an engine cant really tell me the power output also i will just like to compare it with mines...:)
and the t3t4 turbo is not really a big turbo its only efficient till 490whp.Another thing is i strongly believe that a pair or TD04 19T's will supply a lot more air than the t3t4.
also you need to remember nothing was done to this engine and its components everything factory........

Raj - check out this thread by SAF:
http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthread.php?67613-Dyno-19T-HL-AEM-EMS-E85-Manual-galant-VR4-We-need-to-talk-loool
Although he hasn't updated it yet to 800bhp!!

[swinks]

TD04HL-19T peak flow is 44 Lb/min

60 trim T3/T04E aka T3/T4 is 53 Lb/min

a pair of TD04HL-19T turbos flows 1.6 times more air than a 60 Trim T3/T4 can.

giving Raj's power figures if you extrapolate it out purely from an airflow stand point, the extra airflow pair of TD04HL-19T's would provide over a T3/T4 would be 380hp x ~1.6 = 608hp

I think you are getting your turbo sizing confused. just becasue a turbo has a T3 turbine flange does not make it a T3/T4 turbo. A T3/T4 is a hybrid very commonly used it utilises parts from two old garret 'T' series turbos. the turbine from a T3 turbo and the compressor from a T04E. this promotes betterspool up than the T04E turbo and more airflow than the T3 turbos. this is in no way comparable to a Precision 6466cea, 6262R, garrett GT3082R or GTX series turbos.

the more modern precision, Garrett, Holset, Borg-Warner etc are great turbos but we aren't talking about those here.
My point was if you were to use a old T3/T04E 60 trim the same as Raj has used and you used it on an equally stock engine the way he has you would have similar results.

go on then chap. prove to me you have a 800whp 6A13TT..
Thank you Adam!
I thought no-one gonna step in and provide some simple facts. :thumbsup:

[scott.mohekey]

Excuse me with respect but looool !!! Do you know my new setup ? Do you know what i have on my galant? Do you know how many awhp i have now with stock heads, stock cams , stock valve ?f

No, because you're incredibly cryptic and keep everything very tight lipped as if it's all trade secrets.