400hp Legnum [Archive] - Club VR-4 Forums

i3ooyah

16-07-2005, 08:14 AM

so i ran into Paul Ohlsen @ ohlsens developments at the "legal" :P drags and he said he just finished working on a white legnum which was pushing out around 400hp on the standard turbo's

telling me its the fastest legnum hes ever driven and to come into his workshop to do some more work 2 my car. So hopefully if the owner doesnt mind im gonna give Paul a call and see if he can elaborate on the mods of this car.

Anyone heard anything about this mystery legnum with a mines ecu?

bradc

16-07-2005, 09:29 AM

my mate has a galant that is getting a link ecu that I've been talking a bit about over the last week or so, he is hoping for around 350hp or so.

I may just have to talk to ohlsens and see what they are prepared to do to my car :D

dickytim

16-07-2005, 09:51 AM

yeah this sounds like either Freddy or another guy who was on these foums a while ago, He came to our Bastion Point meet.

ShadyNZer

17-07-2005, 07:44 AM

freddy was tellin me when i bought my eyelids off him that some performance ppl were saying his is the fastest legnum theyve worked on, cant remember who he said tho...so yeah might be him...

p1_

18-07-2005, 11:07 PM

yeah this sounds like either Freddy or another guy who was on these foums a while ago, He came to our Bastion Point meet.

What he said.

paulmc

18-07-2005, 11:21 PM

do you know any spec on these cars?

spy

20-07-2005, 08:32 AM

Hey

Ive got a Mines ECU in my car. It's only putting out about 288hp at the wheels, and I think about 405Nm.

bradc

20-07-2005, 11:42 AM

288hp at the wheels is very impressive, what mod's have you done?

paulmc

20-07-2005, 11:48 AM

Hey

Ive got a Mines ECU in my car. It's only putting out about 288hp at the wheels, and I think about 405Nm.

Going by my rolling road results that is around 390bhp at the flywheel /Hmmm

bradc

20-07-2005, 12:00 PM

thats why I wanted to know what mods have been done. It's also fairly local, so it would be cool if I could have a look at your car Spy

Freddy

24-07-2005, 09:28 PM

Yes, thats my Legnum that Paul Ohlson is talking about. I Really need to get it on a dyno to get exact figures.

bradc

25-07-2005, 11:50 AM

Freddy, would you be keen to share what work has been done on your car?

m1vrf

25-07-2005, 01:15 PM

FREDDY. Can you tell me what you have done & had fitted. Really struggling to get decent information. Got a 96 legnum tt. Got hks induc, powerflow 2.5 exhau, apexi super fuel, gredy boost cont, supra fuel pump & fuel cut defencer. Need more, know intercooler and then turbo upgrades maybe an option, but advice on types, where I can locate them would be a help, cheers, Jon

-LegnumVR4-

25-07-2005, 08:47 PM

If u look in the members cars u can get a spec list on most cars here. U will find that its some trick ECU tuning that the MINES ECU has. :smug:

Freddy

26-07-2005, 11:58 PM

Yes, Legnum VR4 is right, most of the grunt comes from the Mines ecu. The other mods I have done are whats listed in CVR4 cars (Freddy)

bradc

27-07-2005, 02:28 AM

So who fitted the Mines and how much was it?

dickytim

27-07-2005, 06:31 AM

Brad from memory the mines is a plug and play, one went for $7-800 on trademe a while back they are murderously expensive new.

bradc

27-07-2005, 07:42 AM

But you would need an expert tuner to set it up though. I have tons of work to do on it first though.

AllBeItMine

27-07-2005, 09:00 AM

the link plus installed and tuned for $2k is a bargain. and there is nothing wrong with a link ECU. most of the guys who do rally's and motorsport events at a club level here in NZ use those as ECU's on their cars.

remember. the ECU just allows you to set the ignition, fueling and boost characteristics of the engine. One ECU may have more features than another or show the ignition and fueling at higher resolutions, but at the end of the day, its not the ECU that makes the car go fast, its the tuner.

bradc

27-07-2005, 09:41 AM

what I'm trying to figure out is what computer is actually the best though. While there is definately a big differance in the skill of the tuner, there must be some ECU's that are better than others.

bradc

27-07-2005, 09:44 AM

http://www.nzperformance.co.nz/store/view_product.php?product=M803C8AY7

That is $4380 for the unit only, no tuning. There must be a reason for it to be so expensive.

Kenneth

27-07-2005, 10:52 AM

http://www.nzperformance.co.nz/store/view_product.php?product=M803C8AY7

That is $4380 for the unit only, no tuning. There must be a reason for it to be so expensive.

Same reason some clothes are 10x more expensive than others... brand power. There might be a difference in build quality, i know there is in clothes but in the end they both do the same thing.

Do you intend on racing hard out, or do you want a nice daily ride as well? you have to look at the application and formulate a solution to fit, rather than finding a solution and working your problem around that.

Yes, i am a ANALyst ;) lol... wait till tomorrow night, i should be fair drunk then :D

dickytim

27-07-2005, 07:45 PM

As Kenny said it is all about brand name etc, personally I like the Microtech units, I am biased I know someone who works with them quite regularly.

AllBeItMine

28-07-2005, 12:37 AM

its not just brand. the motec is a good unit. self learning and correcting ECU - tune it once and leave it.

i would imagine with the cheaper ecus like a link you would need to re-tune it with mods. at the end of the day you get what you pay for... but you don't need to pay the earth.

some ECU's are for track use only. have inputs for logging brake temperatures for example, or can track when the driver used the brakes, how long for and if he was carrying the optimum speed through a corner... you obviously don't need this level of depth of information for street use.

Wodjno

31-07-2005, 11:55 PM

its not just brand. the motec is a good unit. self learning and correcting ECU - tune it once and leave it.

That sounds good. But is it really gonna hapen ??

ako

01-08-2005, 12:10 AM

That makes no sense - of course it happens. Some ECU's will also run/tune themselves to a degree with regards to ambient temperature, baro pressure etc.

Andy is right (ABIM) - it comes down to how its tuned. The LINK and microtech units are very similar in regards to pricing and capabilities, the only reason you pay more for another unit is because it will have features that others dont - boost control, datalogging of more than the engine, etc etc. At sub $2K for either they are great value for money, and easily tuned by a number of workshops in NZ.

If you cant justify thousands on a full ECU, have a look at just an S-AFC. They key with the TT VR4 is getting rid of (well, raising) the fuel cut, and taking a LOT of excess fuel out of the equation. An s-afc will be able to do this, at the expense of screwing your ignition curves a bit - still gets you more power at the end of the day though, and if tuned right is totally safe.

Sorry to take over the thread by the way - Freddy, it'd be good to see your car go down the 1/4!

Wodjno

01-08-2005, 12:12 AM

Explain that agin .. ? I think i missed summat there ??

Freddy

02-08-2005, 12:48 AM

Sorry to take over the thread by the way - Freddy, it'd be good to see your car go down the 1/4! by AKO

No Problem, some interesting reading has come from it. /Hmmm

bradc

24-08-2005, 08:35 PM

Hey Freddy, will you have able to come to this Dyno day? It will be interesting to see what your car does.

Freddy

25-08-2005, 01:47 AM

Sorry havent been watching the threads. When is it? On another thread it said the 3rd of Sept which I can make. Plan would be to dyno the car as is, then again after down pipes are done. Also Brad C I notice your car has flares. I have just fitted some to my car (97) and they dont quite match up to the skirts (flares wider at that point). Can you give me a width measurement of the skirts, (front & rear) where they meet the flare please. I may have to purchase facelift skirt kit.

bradc

25-08-2005, 02:20 AM

http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10653

Thats the thread there, good to hear that you will be there! I'm not quite sure what you mean about the flares, can you explain it again?

Do you mean how wide the side skirts are from the body of the car?

bradc

25-08-2005, 02:22 AM

btw, where did you get the arches from? You See is keen on getting some for his car.

Also, are you getting Ohlsens or Pitstop to do the downpipes?

You See

25-08-2005, 06:16 AM

Freddy, That wasn't you that got the set off TradeMe for $120, was it... /grr
Would be awesome if you could make the dyno on the 3rd... :thumbsup:

bradc

25-08-2005, 08:21 AM

Hahaha, some one is jealous :D

Freddy

25-08-2005, 12:56 PM

I got them off a wrecked 2000 Legnum about a year ago and finally got around to fitting them. But once fitted, found they dont marry up to the skirts (that run under the doors & rear panel) on the 97 model. Think I have sourced some facelift skirts today.
I saw the flares on trade me, for a galant I think.
You see should grab them as the front will fit and order some rear flares from Mitsi.
Ohlsons will do the down pipes.

bradc

25-08-2005, 08:27 PM

The last time I was at Kempy's they had a facelift legnum with side skirts, that is another option for you to consider.

You're going to have a very interesting looking Legnum. Any news on a mold for your front grill?

Freddy

25-08-2005, 08:51 PM

not yet, sorry. :embarasse

spy

26-08-2005, 10:15 AM

288hp at the wheels is very impressive, what mod's have you done?

Sorry its taken so long to reply, i've just moved house and finally got things setup.

I haven't done any mods, but when I brought the car it had the Mines ecu, HKS filter, and I think its an HKS 3" exhaust. Also it has a bigger intercooler, which a mate told me looks like a supra one, not sure about that though. It also has a 6 puck brass clutch. Im not sure about internals, or fuelling, or turbos for that matter.

bradc

26-08-2005, 11:41 AM

Thats nice, you've bought yourself a nice car then :D I'm interested to see what Freddys car will get with his Mines ECU.

I'm also keen to see how much my 206hp figure will be increased with my headers and exhaust.

Freddy

27-08-2005, 06:26 AM

Have you got headers or are you refering to the downpipes? I understand headers cost a bomb to get fabricated and installed unless someone is manufacturing them.

dickytim

27-08-2005, 11:11 AM

Have you got headers or are you refering to the downpipes? I understand headers cost a bomb to get fabricated and installed unless someone is manufacturing them.

I believe Brad is refering to Down pipes as oposed to headers or manifolds

bradc

27-08-2005, 11:41 AM

downpipes, the things that go down from the back of the turbos and bend 90 degrees towards the back of the car, then i've got a complete system down the entire rest of the car.

If you're thinking of manifolds, I won't get those made until I get new turbos.

Freddy

27-08-2005, 12:48 PM

Cool, you had me excited there for a minute. Someone building headers for VR4s, imagine that. :2thumbsup

bradc

27-08-2005, 08:39 PM

I'll have something arriving soon, it is a secret at this stage :D

i3ooyah

28-08-2005, 10:23 AM

not a very big secret since u mentioned new turbos so can guess whats next :P

bradc

28-08-2005, 11:43 AM

no, you're completely wrong! I do intend to get turbos eventually, but that is a good year or more away. I can't tell you what it is yet.

BTW, what was your actual dyno result?

You See

28-08-2005, 12:24 PM

I know something you don't know.... /Nuuu

You See

28-08-2005, 12:59 PM

Yeah, i3ooyah what did your dyno pull anyway?
I drove passed Subwrx on Friday, but didn't bother pulling in as your car wasn't in sight.

i3ooyah

28-08-2005, 10:06 PM

yeah dude coz i picked it up around 2ish

i aint telling till bradc tells first :P but it pulled a extra 28kw's at all 4wheels with the new mod

dickytim

29-08-2005, 06:40 AM

28kw sounds like an EBC, or an aftermaket computer.

You See

29-08-2005, 06:56 AM

28kw sounds like an EBC, or an aftermaket computer.
Yep, sounds to me someone's got an aftermarket computer...TELL TELL TELL!! /yes

bradc

29-08-2005, 08:21 AM

http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/auction_detail.asp?id=34038502&permanent=

thats my secret

I intend to use the throttle body, intake manifold and exhaust manifolds, but after that, anything is up for sale. I'll make a new thread in the NZ Chat for it once I've scavenged everything I want.

dickytim

29-08-2005, 08:29 AM

how much you want for the heads ?

bradc

29-08-2005, 08:37 AM

no idea. I am thinking about getting the heads ported too and putting them into my car, then my standard ones will be available for anyone again! You're first on the list though.

As I said, I'll make a thread for it in the NZ section when I want to start selling stuff, and we can all fight for it then. I also intend to play with it for a while, I'm not used to seeing engines in real life that I can pull apart and look at.

zentac

29-08-2005, 07:34 PM

thats what Im doing over the winter, but Im over boring the block as well. May drop in a stroker kit £'s dependant.

bradc

29-08-2005, 08:23 PM

I think that will be me in 2 years time. I want to concentrate on getting things like manifolds, intake, body work, all intercooler tubing and gauges first, then work on things like boost controller, ecu, whatever else once my car has all the ground work done.

bradc

29-08-2005, 08:25 PM

come on i3ooyah, my secret is out, how much did you pull?

and now that you're not going to get your car dynoed this weekend, are you still interested in coming along to say hello?

i3ooyah

31-08-2005, 08:30 PM

going out friday night so if i do i'll be late

i didnt post cause i havnt been online for a few days but yeah i got a greddy emanage, pulled 152.3kw at 5829rpm with current mods then after install 180.8kw's after install

bradc

01-09-2005, 07:42 AM

Thats a very similar power output to mine when mine was stock, what mods did you have at 152.3kw?

180.8kw's is very impressive, can you feel a big power difference?

AllBeItMine

01-09-2005, 10:51 AM

see what a good tune and getting the fueling right on these piece of junks cars can do...

You See

01-09-2005, 10:55 AM

pulled 152.3kw at 5829rpm with current mods then after install 180.8kw's after install
...right!...180.9 is now my goal!! /Nuuu

bradc

01-09-2005, 11:06 AM

yep, mitsi could have had about 240-250kw from the engine, and reduce fuel consumption at the same time!

i3ooyah

01-09-2005, 10:33 PM

haha cheeky bastards :P

yeah i was quite surprised, $1400 for a 28kw power gain at ALL 4wheels, so definately a recommened power mod for me.

still running standard boost so getting a eo1 in a month or 2 or 3

can feel it up in the higher rpm's but down low it feels weak compared to before, torque was down from 830nm@2000rpm to 790nm

the mods b4 that was a catback exhaust, airfilter which was just sitting in the engine bay but i fixed that (finally) by moving it to where the battery was and putting a carbon fibre heatshield blocking it off. very happy with how it turned out cause after 40mins of hard driving i popped my bonnet open and the metal on the airfilter was still icy cold :D and a bigger front mount for the bling :P

will replace my cooler pipes in the weekend hopefully and might put it back on the dyno just to see how much of a difference that makes.

bradc

02-09-2005, 08:05 AM

hmmm, do you have an auto or manual? It seems strange to me that you got almost the same power as mine with all those mods, from when mine was stock. Did you ever get your car measured at stock?

Maybe it is just that the torque performance dyno measures a little bit more optimistic than the dyno you had your car on.

dickytim

03-09-2005, 07:06 AM

word on the street is that Torque performance dyno is "optamistic", this is fine as long as you take it to the same place each time you will still have a good idea of any increase.

bradc

03-09-2005, 07:43 AM

Yeah that doesn't surprise me, 154kw is quite a bit from a stock VR-4. I wouldn't be surprised if it was about 145-150kw.

You See

03-09-2005, 10:51 AM

Once my car's fully tuned on Gary Capper's new dyno, I'll also take it to Torque's dyno day to see what the difference the 2 read. :scholar:

valmes

03-09-2005, 11:49 AM

Yeah that doesn't surprise me, 154kw is quite a bit from a stock VR-4. I wouldn't be surprised if it was about 145-150kw.

Are those numbers from the wheels? 205BHP... :inquisiti just doesnt sound right... /Hmmm

bradc

03-09-2005, 12:47 PM

of course it is at the wheels. I think that at 154kw/206hp my car would be about 290hp at the engine, and now with 159kw/214hp it is about 300hp at the engine.

i3ooyah

04-09-2005, 01:34 PM

You See

04-09-2005, 02:44 PM

I think I've still got my previous clutch if you're interested i3ooyah? ...hadda get it replaced with a 2600lb Heavy duty one as the standard one couldn't cope with my setup. :rifle:

i3ooyah

04-09-2005, 11:18 PM

thats cool man, looking to upgrade from the standard one

OSiRiS

07-10-2005, 02:19 AM

[H0TVR4] aka [PURSPD] from my club has just completed alot of work. Something along the lines of standard turbo housings but bigger compressors (can't remember the exact term right now LOL mind block), twin external wastegates (1 off each turbo, venting to atmo), twin exhausts (1 off each turbo).

The pull never ends and it sounds like a... Can't friggin' describe it!

He's had alot more work done to it, but that's all I can say for now ;)

bradc

07-10-2005, 04:39 AM

what club is that osiris?

maori_by_nature

07-10-2005, 05:46 AM

they in chosen few

bradc

07-10-2005, 08:13 AM

osiris, is it a white legnum with an evo style bonnet? I saw it going down Barrys Point Rd on Tuesday or Wednesday, it looked really nice.

Any chance you'd be able to tell us where he got the work done, any performance figures, and what has actually been done. Thanks

OSiRiS

11-10-2005, 03:08 AM

bradc; yes we are in Chosen Few. I run the site at www.chosenfew.co.nz

He owns the Pizza Shop (can't remember what the name is) in Orewa so you'll usually see the car around there.

We have a club dyno day coming up real shortly and hopefully we can get his car on the rollers if it's out of the workshop in time. Then I can give you some proper figures :)

I'll get some pxts of it this weekend :)

bradc

11-10-2005, 03:20 AM

Where is the dyno, is it torque performance? I'd be keen to come along and watch.

OSiRiS

12-10-2005, 11:44 AM

Yup Torque Performance.

I'll keep you updated on the exact time and date :)

bradc

12-10-2005, 07:23 PM

cool, just keep us updated

OSiRiS

15-10-2005, 10:42 PM

I know it's a **** pic but lol it was at night on my PXT fone :P

MunkyWrench

14-03-2006, 01:34 PM

i like that kit, it looks especially good on the dark cars.

anyone know the effect all this hp has on the driveline? i just got my 96 manual legnum vr4 and changed the clutch and put new rotors/pads in. everybody keeps saying 'don't launch it man theyre not a launching car' and 'dont launch it or you'll blow the back diff'......??? anyone?

also, the ohlsen website seems to be gone...

look out for BGG411 in chch!

OSiRiS

14-03-2006, 01:37 PM

Yup. I don't know how many clutches he has gone through, or gearbox rebuilds. But he absolutely rapes the pants off this Legnum spinning all 4 wheels on launch.

dickytim

14-03-2006, 06:46 PM

How many EVO 5's do you see blowing their diffs ?

How many EVO 5's do you see blowing their gearboxes ?

How many EVO 5 owners do you see launching their cars ?

I used to launch my VR4 all the time, the only trouble I ever had with the diff is that the AYC went in it, nothing to do with the diff at all.

The only reason I don't launch it hard now is that i don't want to do my clutch again any time soon.

Oblivion

26-06-2012, 11:59 AM

Did this car ever get a dyno figure / 1/4 mile time?

J man

27-06-2012, 06:06 AM

iv'e done two and half diffs if you drop the clutch to hard to much excpect to see parts of you're diff on the road both the diffs i killed were from changing gears at high revs comming out of corners i.ve got a evo 8 ayc diff way better!! as for gearbox i've just stripped it and it looks like new

roryfromnz

11-09-2012, 02:24 AM

Hey did the evo 8 diff just bolt straight in??

Subaru ETA

11-09-2012, 02:51 AM

Did this car ever get a dyno figure / 1/4 mile time?

To answer that question - mike and I purchased that car after it was stolen and recovered. All the good bits had been stolen but in all honesty, I don't think there was that much cool stuff on it.

Car was stripped and parts sold. Shell was scrapped

Subaru ETA

11-09-2012, 03:02 AM