braking

[Lillywotsername]

When it boils down to it...... As Pete says, it is down to the individual.

You all have to do what you feel is right for YOU and your CAR.

It doesn't matter how someone else is driving ( as long as it is sensibly of coarse) you all have to go out there to have fun and come home safely that is the main thing.

[Nick Mann]

I never seem to have cars in front of me ............

At the risk of spamming further:

The car in fron never has cars in front of it. The most normal reason for this is that it is holding every other bugger up!

[WildCards]

When it boils down to it...... As Pete says, it is down to the individual.

You all have to do what you feel is right for YOU and your CAR.

It doesn't matter how someone else is driving ( as long as it is sensibly of coarse) you all have to go out there to have fun and come home safely that is the main thing.

While that is true, if you know the proper technique you can at least practise it within your own limits with a view to gaining more speed, decreasing your lap times and being a better driver.

Glenn, wake up old man, from what i've heard you could do with some of this advice

[Wodjno]

Glenn, wake up old man, from what i've heard you could do with some of this advice

[SGHOM]

Here's an example. not the best... but the vids are in short supply.
Mallory park;
As we come past Edwin's, & around coopers, we are not carrying a great amount of speed. maybe 80 mph max. If you look to the left, you'll see the braking cones. IMHO these need to be ignored if you've got decent brakes. we can slow from 80 to 20 in a much shorter distance than that.

Just keep your eye on the brake lights, & you'll see what I mean.

http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19898

[Wodjno]

Here's an example. not the best... but the vids are in short supply.
Mallory park;
As we come past Edwin's, & around coopers, we are not carrying a great amount of speed. maybe 80 mph max. If you look to the left, you'll see the braking cones. IMHO these need to be ignored if you've got decent brakes. we can slow from 80 to 20 in a much shorter distance than that.

Just keep your eye on the brake lights, & you'll see what I mean.

http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19898

It's not working properly Derek

Theres only footage of a bunch of warm up laps

[psbarham]

at the risk of getting the tin opener out and opening this can of worms back up

braking depends on driving styles , some people do the slow in fast out approach and use the traditional apex (the classic racing line)the late braking approach can work because the speed of the car before the apex is slower and the throttle should be in a neutral position if not slightly open which keeps the car stable before the throttle is increasingly applied as you exit the corner, this approach is generally the accepted fast way round the track , but some people just can't get on with it .

others use the late apex high corner speed style (squaring the corner off ) i am one of these, i spent too much time racing bikes to be able to change, this involves breaking a bit earlier but releasing the brakes earlier to maintain the corner speed all the way up to the late apex , and using the natural over steer of going in fast and turning hard to slow the car that bit more and because you get back on the throttle harder because you are straightened up sooner (less time turning) and the suspension spends a lot of compressed which saves it tying itself in knots , which in turn means the car is less likely to get unsettled for long enough to cause a problem , this method is very useful when racing for nipping up the inside of people on the exit of a corner ready for the drag race to the finish, and for scaring the crap out of doddering old farts on roundabouts

there are numerous variations on each of the above , and as already stated by everybody else its a personal preference thing and what feels best in that particular car , for example , i tend to get a lot more sideways in the corsa van than i do in the Galant , just because it feels happier doing it , the Galant is probably a lot more stable doing it than the van , but its down to feel (ooh eer missus )
ask any professional racing driver confidence is every thing , if your not confident in doing it then you won't do it well

right enough of my ramblings . back to the Bacardi

[Wodjno]

at the risk of getting the tin opener out and opening this can of worms back up

braking depends on driving styles , some people do the slow in fast out approach and use the traditional apex (the classic racing line)the late braking approach can work because the speed of the car before the apex is slower and the throttle should be in a neutral position if not slightly open which keeps the car stable before the throttle is increasingly applied as you exit the corner, this approach is generally the accepted fast way round the track , but some people just can't get on with it .

others use the late apex high corner speed style (squaring the corner off ) i am one of these, i spent too much time racing bikes to be able to change, this involves breaking a bit earlier but releasing the brakes earlier to maintain the corner speed all the way up to the late apex , and using the natural over steer of going in fast and turning hard to slow the car that bit more and because you get back on the throttle harder because you are straightened up sooner (less time turning) and the suspension spends a lot of compressed which saves it tying itself in knots , which in turn means the car is less likely to get unsettled for long enough to cause a problem , this method is very useful when racing for nipping up the inside of people on the exit of a corner ready for the drag race to the finish, and for scaring the crap out of doddering old farts on roundabouts

there are numerous variations on each of the above , and as already stated by everybody else its a personal preference thing and what feels best in that particular car , for example , i tend to get a lot more sideways in the corsa van than i do in the Galant , just because it feels happier doing it , the Galant is probably a lot more stable doing it than the van , but its down to feel (ooh eer missus )
ask any professional racing driver confidence is every thing , if your not confident in doing it then you won't do it well

right enough of my ramblings . back to the Bacardi

Feck Me

I nearly woke up there

Someone talkin sense for a change

Instead of "This is the way you do it" and "This is the way you don't"

As i stated earlier

This Thread is going nowhere fast

Although PSB just slowed it down a bit

[KiwiTT]

Just a thought, we probably do not need to brake as hard and let the AYC take us through the corners a bit faster than what we would expect to do without AYC. This should help to increase track times. When I see comparisons on TV between the EVO and the WRX, this is the defining difference.

I suspect some slower drivers do not yet know how much they can trust their AYC.

NOTE: I would recommend good tyres too!

[psbarham]

Feck Me

I nearly woke up there

Someone talkin sense for a change

Instead of "This is the way you do it" and "This is the way you don't"

As i stated earlier

This Thread is going nowhere fast

Although PSB just slowed it down a bit

thankyou sir , see a useful post on how to slow down a car and a thread in one go , sheer talent if you ask me

[WildCards]

Feck Me

I nearly woke up there

Someone talkin sense for a change

Instead of "This is the way you do it" and "This is the way you don't"

As i stated earlier

This Thread is going nowhere fast

Although PSB just slowed it down a bit

It's all useful information to those that don't know or have never been told.

[Wodjno]

It's all useful information to those that don't know or have never been told.

Or dangerous

[WildCards]

Or dangerous

Driving is dangerous. Everyones gotta start somewhere Glenn, how else are you going to learn?

[Wodjno]

Driving is dangerous. Everyones gotta start somewhere Glenn, how else are you going to learn?

But learning a totally different style of driving from the norm ! Is best left to the track

And i know it's dangerous Thats what makes it such a Buzz.

And for me ! Driving within a comfort Zone is not exciting !

But fighting the car for every little bit you can get out of it, is

But as i said from the start This thread is a total waste of time, except for people to say how good they are at driving and how crap everyone else is..

If you want to learn properly then get some lessons on track

[Throbbe]

If you want to learn properly then get some lessons on track

Seconded. Pound for pound about the best way to make your car go faster, and it makes future cars go faster too. Needless to say, I haven't taken my own advice, but of course I'm a great driver and everyone else is crap.

[WildCards]

But learning a totally different style of driving from the norm ! Is best left to the track

I disagree i'm afraid mate, learn a new skill and practice it, whenever and wherever you can as long as it's safe to do so.

And i know it's dangerous Thats what makes it such a Buzz.

And for me ! Driving within a comfort Zone is not exciting !

But fighting the car for every little bit you can get out of it, is

I think we all agree with that, otherwise we wouldn't have trackdays.

But as i said from the start This thread is a total waste of time, except for people to say how good they are at driving and how crap everyone else is..

Fair enough, your opinion, as mine is mine, i'm not going to stoke the fire any more.

If you want to learn properly then get some lessons on track

Indeed, alot of TD organisers these days throw in free tuition fora session if you get your name down early enough. I'll certainly make use of their services once i've got the 205 sorted and i'm tracking it.

[White Lightning]

Yeah, good post Mr. PSB. I read it last night but did not get around to commenting ...

I for one, certainly learnt a lot more about what the VR-4 is capable of on track during our recent trip to the Ring and Spa. I was sooo impressed with the handling in the wet/damp conditions and started to realise just how good the AYC is at keeping the car stable ...

[Wodjno]

I disagree i'm afraid mate, learn a new skill and practice it, whenever and wherever you can as long as it's safe to do so.

Well even though i quoted what you are disagreeing with

I actually agree with you Well for myself anyway

I have learn't all i have learn't on the roads

But for most peeps.... The Track is the safest place

PS.. This is my last (but 191 )posts

[HJM]

Good to see all the trackday 'Regulars' posting on this thread ?

H

ps They won't comment cause they don't want you to go faster

[Wodjno]

Good to see all the trackday 'Regulars' posting on this thread ?

H

ps They won't comment cause they don't want you to go faster

And what makes you think there input would have any affect on other peoples speed