Nice But, fair enough, thanks very much for being the guinea pig in this instance. I've heard these redstuff pads need some serious warming up so I'm a bit worried that my business partner will end up going into the back of someone. She has almost done it on acceleration four times now, and she just comes into the office next day and recounts the tale while my mouth is open like a guppy fish at feeding time. To be fair, a new front end would really set the hearse off.