It's geekiness that brings people information to make better decisionsOriginally Posted by Atik
You geek Jason!
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You could probably shove an elastic band around the rims of these cars and they'd still out-perform most. My car came from Japan with Falkens on the standard wheels, swapped to Evo 8 Enkeis with (poo) Toyos and, after about 1000 miles (when the Toyos were toasted) went for the ridiculously low priced Falkens again. Great tyre at a great price. Good hard-wearing compound and a competent all-round performer.
Don't ever tempted by "budget" tyres. I had "WANLI" tyres on the purple VR4 when I bought it. OK in the dry but.............in the wet it was like driving with Teflon tyres. Had the same grip as driving on a diesel slick
Not exactly what Mike requested but here are some costs, Camskill have the following for a 225/45/R17 (mine and Mike's size), both are XL (Extra Load), TL (Tubeless) and 94 load index (670 KG per corner), click tyre name below to go to relevant page;
- FK452: £68.50 per corner (£274 for 4), "Y" rated up to 300 KPH (184 MPH)
- ZE912: £60.49 per corner (£242 for 4), "W" rated up to 270 KPH (168 MPH)
Hope this helps!
Couldn't agree moreDon't ever tempted by "budget" tyres. I had "WANLI" tyres on the purple VR4 when I bought it. OK in the dry but.............in the wet it was like driving with Teflon tyres. Had the same grip as driving on a diesel slick
Someone saw fit to put Nankangs on my VR4 prior to purchase and they are dreadful in the wet!!! I can't wait to get a set of Falkens on it ....
I also had the 912 jobbies on my Celica with no complaints at all, although it was only a road car .....
J
Personally I have no experience of the 452's but its really good to hear such positive feedback. I will be needing new tyres in the summer and am already budgeting up for the cost so it doesnt come as a nasty surprise.
It is now a firm battle between the Eagle F1 Asymmetrics and the Falken FK452. I am currently sporting the good old GSD3's and they are simply superb, so I will keep a good look out for these tyres in the near future
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As said many times before, F1's will give you a bit more grip in the dry over the 452's - but at a higher cost and wear rate !
H
Yep, thats the balance I need to work out. For an extra £120+ for the Eagles, I am contemplating the Falkens.
Had the 912s on the Leon - they were excellent.
And AFAIK they are not a 452 replacement, although they did replace the ZEIX ZE512s - cos that's what the Leon had on originally, when I was looking around for new tyres for it, and the 512s were no longer available having been superseded by the 912s!
The 452s superseded the 451s. I understand the 452s and the 912s came out at about the same time. I don't think the 452s are going anywhere soon!
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MLR magazine had an article about braking/uprated front pads and then changing rear pads to get improved braking and brake balance...
...IIRC checked tyre temps at Spa trackday and described changes in braking/handling
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Sorry wrong thread...
Somebody shoot me, please - that last birthday has made me into 'confused old git'...
Last edited by chris g; 28-01-2010 at 09:31 AM.
Wrong thread Chris?
I've got the 452's too and they've been superb so far, even in the recent snow and ice.
As a former (very happy) 451 and 452 user, I can also recommend the Toyo Proxes T1 R's as an alternative.
Camskill have them listed @ £75.95 per corner (in this size), XL, TL and Y rated
Been very happy with them on the Evo, and will be hard deciding which ones I will be fitting again before the Ring.
Last edited by Spirit; 27-01-2010 at 09:41 PM.
These were on my Enkeis when I got them and I found them a little soft for the Leggy. They just seemed to wear too quickly for my liking on general daily driving. Good tyre though.
Thought I'd better join in and big up the 912's
Great tyre, always chosen GSD3's before on previous cars (Evo VII, Evo VIII, Celica GT4) but my friendly local tyre supplier who I have used for years recommended the Falkens for the Legnum.
I got the extra load ones, as I used to with the Goodyears - makes a difference to handling, which continues to be very impressive. Not as good a feel in the wet as the GSD3's, but maybe because I'm not comparing apples with apples - a Legnum on Falkens is never going to handle as well as an Evo or Celica GT4 on Falkens, not to mention GSD3's.
Wear rate seems to be good too, I've only done about 6000 miles (no track time) since having them fitted, but they are not showing much sign of wearing out yet!
Anyway, for anybody thinking about 912's I would say go for it, terrific value for money.
Levi
Wow, had new Falkens 452's fitted all round yesterday coupled with full alignment. Previously on the old tyres the car seemed loud, crashy and banging not to mention wheel imbalance beyond 90....not that nice to drive. Sometimes annoying and so much so the Airtrek has been getting preference to all our journeys...well
Now, its just perfect, i cant believe how sedately it drives again, smooth straight with no banging, again it amazes me what a difference tyres can make! My Legnum is back again!
Mike
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Good to hear it Mike.
When I get the control arms replaced, going to get the whole lot done aswell.
Including wheels re-balanced.
Hopefully it will feel great again.
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Roberto, you wont believe the difference, so far i have ahd lower and curved arms done on both sides coupled with tyres and alignment.
Yes it will feel great again, nearly like driving a new car!
You're all forgetting about one of the BIG selling points of the 452, the steel belt in the sidewall. This means that the sidewalls don't flex as much as other tyres, stays stiff and keeps all the tyre and power to the ground under harsh cornering.
Also being directional you can "flip" them inside out, owning a performance car means running negative camber so the tyres are going to chew out on the inside.
912's for a luxo car, 452's for a performance car
oh never thought you could flip them inside out? If that was the case i would have got a few more thousands of miles out of my last set!
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