1991-92 VR-4 2.0 turbo AWD/AWS 4G63 engine

[chris g]

As my 99 VR-4 prob going on sale I have considered a 91 VR-4 saloon - 2.0 turbo AWD/AWS - on sale in UK

Has anyone had any experience of these?

I know limited numbers went to USA over a two year period but were they sold in NZ or OZ?

Interior/trim may vary but I would have thought that basic engine/turbo should be similar although USA may have had lower power due to emission regs

As the rally progenitor of the Evo I believe that it will have considerable potential for tuning

Any feedback from past or current owners?

All views and comment welcome

[Spirit]

As the rally progenitor of the Evo I believe that it will have considerable potential for tuning

You're spot on there mate, for sure they are very supported in NZ and I have seen many 1/4 mile times in the 12's for them

[Spirit]

Here's a list I found....

Rank 1/4 ET 1/4 MPH 1/8 ET 1/8 MPH 60' Car Turbo N2O Name Shop
1 10.275 132.75 6.576 102.98 1.428 92 Galant-VR-4 FP Red NO Dale Nardozzi/Curt Brown A.nti R.ice C.onsortium Racing
2 10.745 134.98 7.004 101.35 1.640 91 Galant VR4 T4 YES Pepe Tremols Mec. Colo, Puerto Rico
3 10.917 131.55 7.139 102.45 1.712 91 Galant VR4 T3T4 54/stg3 YES Adam Dubienczuk AMS-Automotorsports
4 11.333 105.77 7.238 100.61 1.760 91 Galant VR4 FP RED &cm NO Andy Beachly 122Performance
5 11.474 119.08 7.306 96.96 1.596 91 Galant VR4 Sleeper 16g NO Victor Brant My Wife
6 11.596 119.93 7.486 92.55 1.691 91 Galant VR4 60-1/stg3 NO Victor L. Mendez Jr.
7 11.625 120.93 7.541 95.12 1.709 92 Galant VR4 BR 500 NO Bruce Kwartler Buschur Racing/Reitman Racing
8 11.660 122.72 7.546 91.93 1.807 91 Galant VR4 T3T4 60/stg3 NO John LaCroix LSE-Performance
9 11.675 119.00 7.481 94.73 1.740 92 Galant VR4 FP GREEN NO Doug Thomas TurboTrix/BM Tranny
10 11.678 120.79 7.602 91.78 1.829 91 Galant VR4 20g YES Terry White
11 11.856 115.23 7.594 92.00 1.719 91 Galant VR4 Baby Green NO Scott Evans
12 11.910 116.23 7.647 91.19 1.717 91 Galant VR4 T3/T4 57 trim/stag3 NO Joshua Jones
13 12.019 115.39 7.740 89.77 1.758 91 Galant VR4 GT3037 NO Mike Gunning
14 12.073 118.18 7.863 93.03 1.860 92 Galant VR4 ETE32 NO Marty Grand
15 12.180 113.09 7.822 86.81 1.740 91 Galant VR4 TDO6 20g NO Jason Wilcox
16 12.258 110.02 7.863 1.747 90 Galant VR4 big 16g NO Nick Thompson My Garage
17 12.281 118.04 7.898 92.98 1.821 91 Galant VR4 FP Green 7cm NO CJ Moses Holy Moses Motorsports
18 12.296 113.90 7.904 90.33 1.687 91 Galant VR4 FP Green 7cm NO Mark Pontarolo NWDSM
19 12.321 114.29 7.981 91.01 1.753 92 Galant VR4 T3/T4 57/stg3 NO Stephen Burke
20 12.390 110.48 7.927 88.69 1.772 91 Galant VR4 big 16g NO Billy Boden GTP Racing
21 12.431 112.21 7.990 89.69 1.742 92 Galant VR4 Frank 3 NO Harry Blanchard Three Speed
22 12.449 109.63 8.001 87.14 1.695 92 Galant VR4 small 16g NO Chris Nusbaum
23 12.578 112.46 8.175 88.17 1.809 92 Galant VR4 T61/P NO Erik Arentzen CoDSM
24 12.699 114.82 8.326 91.36 2.017 90 Galant VR4 FP 3055 NO Brandon Zelones SDDSM.org
25 12.709 108.42 8.170 86.40 1.837 91 Galant VR4 T3/T4 60/stg5BB NO Gary Custodio NWDSM
26 12.763 107.91 1.749 92 Galant VR4 big 16g NO Ashley Hinds
27 12.766 108.73 8.178 86.29 1.760 91 Galant VR4 FP Sleeper 16g NO Carl Morris CoDSM
28 12.774 106.71 8.165 85.79 1.772 92 Galant VR4 big 16g NO Tim Tompkins Fastasknutz
29 12.781 107.40 8.153 1.792 89 Galant VR4 small 16g NO Ryan Gillespie
30 12.792 107.38 8.171 86.30 1.749 91 Galant VR4 14b NO John Riedmuller
31 12.794 105.83 8.141 105.83 1.734 91 Galant VR4 14b NO John Conroy TampaBay DSM
32 12.808 108.73 8.220 86.74 1.763 91 Galant VR-4 20g NO Chris Plesko CoDSM, shiftedthinking.com
33 12.817 108.42 8.261 88.74 1.786 92 Galant VR4 Frank 3 NO Kieth McDonnell Mofugas Motorsports
34 12.845 107.04 8.228 86.35 1.927 91 Galant VR4 big 16g NO Jason Peters Speed Innovations
35 12.851 107.83 8.281 86.88 1.923 91 Galant VR4 small 16g NO Jon Roberts
36 12.891 107.61 8.293 82.99 1.801 92 Galant VR4 small 16g NO Jeremy Wheeler
37 12.920 107.41 8.302 85.13 1.816 91 Galant VR4 big 16g NO Jeff Hill TurboTrix
37 12.920 105.64 1.743 92 Galant VR4 big 16g NO Shawn Lewis Automotosports
39 12.926 106.34 8.290 85.33 1.834 92 Galant VR4 small 16g NO Craig Meyers
40 12.963 104.92 8.251 82.08 1.768 91 Galant VR4 14b NO Ian Manuel
41 13.171 104.31 8.404 83.13 1.755 91 Galant VR4 small 16g NO S. Capaldo
42 13.313 107.26 8.705 83.77 2.059 92 Galant VR4 big 16g Yes Joe Manduno
43 13.434 98.64 8.495 80.54 1.807 92 Galant VR4 big 16g NO Matthew Demicco
44 13.512 103.49 8.738 81.95 1.833 92 Galant VR4 FP Sleeper 16g NO Steve Bourgeois
45 13.622 103.44 8.757 82.16 1.958 91 Galant VR4 big 16g NO David Dilts SBRacing #1531
46 13.634 100.73 8.732 80.78 1.925 91 Galant VR4 14b NO Colin Wadsworth Ejectseat
47 13.685 99.20 8.775 80.24 1.972 91 Galant VR4 14b NO Terren Gomez SDDSM.org
48 13.784 99.46 8.801 79.01 1.840 91 Galant VR4 small 16g NO Rob Mckellar Extreme Motorsports
49 13.878 98.47 8.883 79.36 1.886 91 Galant VR4 14b NO Joe Lineberry Engineered Performance
50 13.895 100.48 8.969 80.62 2.093 91 Galant VR4 small 16g NO Chris Wirth Rochester Club DSM
51 14.033 96.11 8.977 77.81 1.950 91 Galant VR4 14b NO Jason Gosnell
52 14.142 94.69 8.992 1.986 91 Galant VR4 14b NO Fracios Poirier
53 14.243 91.30 9.051 76.50 1.991 92 Galant VR4 small 16g NO Stephen Bourgeois
54 14.505 90.68 9.199 75.18 1.793 92 Galant VR4 14b NO Jenn Crisman DSMotorsport
55 14.538 91.32 9.081 74.98 1.887 91 Galant VR4 14b NO Joshua Stratton
56 14.547 93.21 9.277 74.80 2.002 92 Galant VR4 14b NO Brandon Mcconkey
57 14.611 91.12 9.268 73.86 1.908 91 Galant VR4 14b NO John Kucek Garage Battle
58 14.640 89.65 9.255 73.98 1.970 92 Galant VR4 14b NO Jeff Berry
59 14.688 92.20 9.385 74.41 2.027 92 Galant VR4 14b NO Brad Schafer
60 14.710 91.30 8.900 78.30 1.914 91 Galant VR4 small 16g NO Abhay Santos
61 14.785 90.32 1.912 91 Galant VR4 14b NO Nicole Grant
62 14.987 88.06 9.498 71.87 2.013 91 Galant VR4 14b NO Tom Louters Grams Garage

[Big Ian]

(not a turbo)
ther's a very nice GTI on ebay,1 owner,full leather 4WD+4WS mettalic grey?

[zentac]

I had a 91 Auto VR4 very nice mota, 4G63 engine same as the EVO.

[ritch_w]

As my 99 VR-4 prob going on sale I have considered a 91 VR-4 saloon - 2.0 turbo AWD/AWS - on sale in UK

Has anyone had any experience of these?

I know limited numbers went to USA over a two year period but were they sold in NZ or OZ?

Interior/trim may vary but I would have thought that basic engine/turbo should be similar although USA may have had lower power due to emission regs

As the rally progenitor of the Evo I believe that it will have considerable potential for tuning

Any feedback from past or current owners?

All views and comment welcome

what about strangebats 7g vr4 - minted for not much cash - see thread
http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4095

[Big Ian]

as far as i know YAN has now sold his 7G-VR4 on ebay at the weekend?
a crackin lookin car it was to!

[Japmetal]

I have a 1991 GTi 4WD4WS and can confirm that, while not the same as a VR4, they are still great fun - there is also the potential for a direct engine transplant from any 4G63 Turbo made up to the Evolution 3 :-b

As regards the VR4, the 6 gen was produced between 1989 and 1993, sold in Japan as well as the states and there are a few in this country[all imports], although the only one I know of was owned by Zedy1 [Mo] of this site and was burnt out by vandals a few weeks back - he has since succesfully fitted the engine into an Evo 1 he found somewhere

I wouldnt know about all of them, but My GTi has the same spec as a VR4 [down to the same interior, bodykit, even wheels !] so if you could find another one like this you can always do an engine swap/reshell later to get the turbo madness you require

Hoep this has been of some help, any questions don't hesitate to ask/PM me - Your resident 6Gen expert :rolleyes5

[chris g]

Thanks for info so far - want to stick with VR-4

Keen on turbo/AWD and AWS should be fun and I like the 91-92 saloon style

How does AWS feel? - and benefits?

Now you have mentioned gti I have found some for sale

Might actually think about those as poss replacements rather than more expensive turbo

Still uncertain about what next

My 99 VR-4 going on sale this w/e at latest so looking more seriously now

Still interested in anyone who has upgraded brakes/suspension

?sources for tuning/upgrade parts

My prev experience is with Wincanton Motor Services but now found NR Autos in Lincolnshire

Seem a good place for Mitsy care/support/servicing/tuning and they will chat about your needs/answer questions

Engine should be no trouble for power upgrades but as always looking to improve brakes/suspension first - if I end up buying one of them

[strangebat]

car might not be sold buyer seems to have dissapeared, phoned me on tuesday to say he would pay deposit that day, then collect this weekend heard nothing since just sent second email, will phone again tomorow (every hour)

[chris g]

Thas what I worry about if I use eBay but.......

Seen your VR-4 before but checked out your photos

The engine seems likely to be ? similar to FTO ? 2.0 V6 but with turbo

I prefer saloon style with 2.0 4G63 engine although I love sound of V6 thru 3" decat system on my VR-4

Hope your sale goes ahead

[Big Ian]

car might not be sold buyer seems to have dissapeared, phoned me on tuesday to say he would pay deposit that day, then collect this weekend heard nothing since just sent second email, will phone again tomorow (every hour)

YAN...i'm free on saturday if you have an address? :mad: :io:
don't let them off lightly.. some folk get kick's in strange way's i'll be down in H/burgh at the usual time tomorrow or earlier if your about..

by the way mate..watch for the traffic cop's down your way,they seam to be all over the place,dark blue merc (53 plate) and ive seen an un marked white 406(T plate)..twice ive near been caught this week! at herm/acad the fly guy's used the bus shellter as cover,un marked 406 was parked on the other side of the dual c/way.......crafty sod's!

[chris g]

Seems my enquiry about VR-4 with 4g63 engine has been hijacked by scots arranging to meet

Bugger off you two and get your own thread!

[Japmetal]

AWS doesnt really 'feel' at all; it is only operational above 30mph, and steers the rear wheels up to 1.5 degrees in the same direction as the front wheels, to prevent the back end from wallowing about

The result is a nice, tight cornering feel, as if the car were half the length it actually is - changing direction is also acheived with little body roll or wallowing, and I have found a hueg improvement in this since fitting a front upper strut-brace.


DOn't know if it was brakes/suspension for the 6G you were interested in, but I have upgraded my standard braking system so far with direct replacement pads & discs by Black Diamond [they actually list the cars, so shouldnt be hassle getting the bits !] on the front; I also have rear pads & discs and a goodridge braided hose kit on order for fitting as soon as it is all in stock. After that, Whiteline have a number of suspension upgrade kits available and I intend upgrading my anti-roll bars & bushes using their products. Not sure what I'll do for suspension, but since the whole GTi setup is identical to the VR4 sourcing these parts also shouldn't cause a problem

If you approach it with an open mind, the GTi won't dissappoint [although it's no VR4] and the seeming lack of power can soon be overcome with the simple addition of a custom exhaust & HKS induction kit [again listed for VR4 of the same age]

Here endeth the rambling

[Big Ian]

Seems my enquiry about VR-4 with 4g63 engine has been hijacked by scots arranging to meet

Bugger off you two and get your own thread!

i think the term you are looking for is "scottish" and no we were not trying to "high jack" your thread! :-D good luck with finding the right car..

[chris g]

Thanks Japmetal for that info - really useful and by the sound of it the AWS that does happen does give a feel of sharp turn-in and feel of a smaller car

And as far as interlpers are concerned, you are right, 'scots' was not the term I was looking for but we will not go into that

Re the thread, I did not get where I am today without knowing a hijack when I read one so be warned I knows what you was up to!

And Ian, as my VR-4 going on the market with poss replacement by the aforementioned Galant AWD/AWS, why not get rid of the 'amazing 2.0 GLS' and have my 99 VR-4?

You know it makes sense and if you are to make an offer, you can def hijack this thread to negotiate

Chris

[Brind]

May I ask you why you're selling your VR-4?

[Big Ian]

And as far as interlpers are concerned, you are right, 'scots' was not the term I was looking for but we will not go into that
Chris

WHAT EVER !!.
IF YOU HAVE A LOOK AT THE THREAD'S N POST'S YOU WILL SEE MOST OF WHAT WE SPOKE ABOUT WAS TRYING TO HELP YOU FIND ANOTHER CAR AND FOR STRANGEBAT TO SELL A CAR! .....
yea i addmit i may have added a bit (about other matter's) but at the end of the day,we know what we done and none of it was meant to come across as interloping.

[Japmetal]

Thanks Japmetal for that info - really useful

Hear that ? My existence here has been justified for another few weeks at least :-D


As for the 'Interloping' I think maybe you should both stop arguing before anyone takes offence ?

[chris g]

I think that ship has sailed

If capital letters are anything to go by then someone is shouting on the forum

I guess my joking about the thread being hijacked by interlopers has not gone down too well and offence has already been taken

I have seen this before where humour cannot be recognised - no inflexion in a voice to be heard, no expression in a face or gestures to be seen whilst speaking

I cannot get used to emoticons or whatever those f'in things are so I just have my inimitable Yorkshire turn of phrase

I am sorry if it has been taken the wrong way but sensitivity is not a thing to bring onto a forum where so little can be felt to mean so much

AND

in our own CVR4 forums I would not wish to upset anyone - if I had really taken offence and mean to insult someone then I would have not been so polite - blunt speaking is the forte of us Yorkshire folk from gods own county so lets not fall out over a bit of jestin

And just to be clear about it, I have found the car that I want, assuming it does not get sold before I have some money - a 91 VR-4 AWD/AWS with 4G63 engine - I was actually looking for input from current/prev owners of similar cars about tuning/handling etc but thank you again for your help from t'other side o'Hadrians Wall

And thanks again Japmetal, yes you have a meaningful existence for a few more weeks at least - keep your car for even longer and pass on more bits of help and you could be geting a ride in a VR-4 (91or 99)at a trackday - if I can get back on track in the near future

Thanks again for all visitors to (my) the thread

And to answer Brind - I bought car when in London with more pay/fewer outgoings but moved north, bought house, ended up eventually in lower paid job and now job situation uncertain so money is driving factor