Group Buy: Cam regrinds ROUND 2 discussion

[Adam.Findlay]

Trent is right NutterJohn. It says in the post the cams made a noticable difference even without a tune to suit the cams. Road tune will take place in the next few days you would have to pm carl to see if hes willing to spend 50 bucks to show the power gains over stock as his only other engine mod is a 600x300x76 FMIC.

[Fully]

Update for those people who are intrested. the first set of reground cams went into carl's (aka patron999) galant today the performance increase is quite large, very very small sacrifice of low down torque for a masive gain in 4krpm+ power. it seems to help the turbos flow a little bit more up top also. carls galant felt like it pulled much harder @ 10psi then my legnum does on 15psi of boost. hopefully carl himself can post up soon with his opinion after a bit more driving time.
Will ask carl to update again after he has flashed KSmods extended maps on and tuned the fueling and ignition maps. hopefully there is more to be pulled from it again
also carls galant remained lifter tick free with the reground cams installed
also found out the valve springs supplied are Brian crower brand
Spring Pressure: BC1100 Seat: 1.550" @ 84 lbs / Open: 1.000" @ 235 lbs / Coil Bind: 0.935" (no machine work required)

Nice work mate =)
As number 5 says "Its alive"

[Adam.Findlay]

Nice work mate =)
As number 5 says "Its alive"

seems carl had a bit of trouble getting his home made wideband oxy sensor to work with evoscan but apparently he got it going and can only assume he is tuning it right now

[elnevio]

It's not the power gains over stock that are of interest, as every car is different, especially as all our 'stock' cars are now at least nine years old. It is the comparison on the same car, before and after fitting, that will be the truest reflection of the sort of difference that can be expected by others.

I reckon that if power/torque graphs were posts for both before and after, with no other tuning/modifications made, at least another 10 people will sign up for sets of cams, rather than that for just a set of graphs for the tuned after figures.

The greatest concern for most folk will be the 'moving' of the curves to the right. How much is the 'little sacrifice'?

Bum dynos can be good, but much like the cars, everybody's got one and everyone's is different! Accurate empirical data is where it's at!

[lathiat]

It's not the power gains over stock that are of interest, as every car is different, especially as all our 'stock' cars are now at least nine years old. It is the comparison on the same car, before and after fitting, that will be the truest reflection of the sort of difference that can be expected by others.

I reckon that if power/torque graphs were posts for both before and after, with no other tuning/modifications made, at least another 10 people will sign up for sets of cams, rather than that for just a set of graphs for the tuned after figures.

The greatest concern for most folk will be the 'moving' of the curves to the right. How much is the 'little sacrifice'?

Bum dynos can be good, but much like the cars, everybody's got one and everyone's is different! Accurate empirical data is where it's at!

everyone is aware of this elnevio, only a single set of cams have been fitted so far.. please be patient and give a chance for them to arrive to everyone else and be tested before going mad.

they were simply reporting some preliminary results.

i for one will be doing before and after dyno runs, so you can see how they go, but, it will probably be 1-2 months before you see them.

[elnevio]

Excellent!

[scott.mohekey]

I would have done before and after dynos, but I'm doing a heap of other stuff at the same time (not least of which is a manual conversion), so it would have been pointless.

[Adam.Findlay]

everyone is aware of this elnevio, only a single set of cams have been fitted so far.. please be patient and give a chance for them to arrive to everyone else and be tested before going mad.

they were simply reporting some preliminary results.

i for one will be doing before and after dyno runs, so you can see how they go, but, it will probably be 1-2 months before you see them.

wicked if you do before and after it will be very helpful
and elnevio im not trying to convince everyone to get these cams just putting the option out there.
I never drove the car in question i was just in the passenger seat so hard to tell and I was only reporting back exactly what came from carls mouth and note the dive we went on was 5 minutes after the car was put backtogether and only around the block as trent said above preliminary results. but it still pulled hard down low but there was a noticable increase in power overall. but of course the power gain will be proportinal to supproting mods so carls car only having a 600x300x76 fmic and a walboro 255lph fuel pump is a good base for most people who have done other similar "common mods"

I look forward to posting more information after carls tune is complete

[wintertidenz]

The results so far sound good... now if only I can convince the fiance to let me buy a set...

[Adam.Findlay]

well daniel if you can and anyone else is intrested in a set later in the year post up!. I havent even got my set back from the first buy in yet so its early days but earlier we organise it all the better

[thfelipeth]

starting to sound goood... but as posted above. would like to see dyno results of before and after. im still digitally stuck on the list

[lathiat]

my cams & springs arrived today.

halfway through install my PLX wideband & boost sensors


just need to enlarge / make a new hole to get the wideband through the floor.. its about half a mill off fitting through the existing o2 grommet but might be best to make a new grommet to seal properly.. i'll see.

probably be 4 weeks before i get them installed at least

[Adam.Findlay]

takes minimal grinding to fit the wideband through the hole in the floor.
im itching to see before and after dyno graphs after all the running round organising the first buy in

[Kenneth]

I have always been able to get the wideband through without any grinding... Must be good at getting big things into small holes... (either that or just always get lumped with something a bit smaller)

[lathiat]

Really? Mine didn't want to go but it is literally like half a mill.. i wonder if i can wiggle it.

[wintertidenz]

I got my drill and a 10mm bit and just wiggled it round in the hole to enlarge it slightly.

Still a tight fit, but it works.

[lathiat]

Yeah I was going to use a dremel

[Kenneth]

It is the points on the hex which cause it to not want to go through. If you have it so the flat goes through (by angling the sensor) first, you can then get enough clearance to get one of the points through, then turn it to get the opposite side through. Basically the same principal as when you have to get a big couch through a narrow doorway.

[wintertidenz]

Or an alternative is to slightly smooth off one of the points on the wideband.

[lathiat]

Ahh genius Kenneth I can see how that might work I'll give it a shot, thanks. :-)