Clutch job over next few days (again!!!)

[adaxo]

Yhmmm... good or bad?

I was following seller description of my previous one

Exedy Standard OEM Clutch Kit - EVO 7, EVO 8 & EVO 9

Or your clutch was OE not 'Pink' not sure.

TBH I'm not sure failure of previous one was due to abuse, I may launch it one or twice but cmmon its just over 300BHP and about 500Nm. I think it give up due to rattly/play on input shaft.


btw any chance you still have wave spring for it? asking as I will send my old pressure plate to TME Steve for upgrade and it will be handy to have complete set.

[swinks]

No wave spring here, just flywheel left.
Oh, I see...
It's Evo 8-9 OEM clutch for MR and FQ series, should cope with power and torque risen up to 400 mark.

BTW, pink ones (pressure plate) are double plate or paddle ones, not organic.

[adaxo]

When you mention 'pink' I was hoping its that one but never mind, it is uprated one over OE and for this price I'm happy with what I got off you, hopefully with new bearings on input shaft it will last longer.

[Davezj]

Ok, here is an update on the orientation of the spacers on the clutch side and the crank side of the flywheel.
I removed a gear box and flywheel from an engine today the flywheel had never been removed from the car well that is what we think.
The spacer on the crank side cups the crank shaft, so the beveled edge of the spacer does not contact anything.

The spacer on the clutch side sit flat against the fly wheel with bevel side not contacting anything. The third spacer has the sticking out bit facing the clutch.

I will post up some pictures of the spacers when I get home, but for those in the know as to what the spacer look like this might come as bit of a surprise.

[Nick Mann]

That's always what I thought. I couldn't see a reason to make that a sprung spacer. You don't want to give the flywheel a chance of running out of true.

[Davezj]

It is odd that the manufacturer would use spring steel to make a spacer and shape to have bevel on it when it is not used. Just a normal flat spacer would do the same job as only the flat pat of the spacers are in contact with the flywheel.
Unless it was just a spacer from the existing parts bin that had been used before and they had 10000 on the shelf and it would do the job.
But why make something that could be fitted the wrong way round.
Bizarre.

here is a video of me removing the spacers from the flywheel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpjU_q6a73s

[adaxo]

Bloody hell, im back to square one AGAIN.

My "new" clutch is slipping, its really odd one as i not even did 500 miles on it, what could kill it soo quickly? What i did it's to let my miss do a school runs, every day once a day car has been driven 0.6 mile to and 0.6 mile back from school, is that could kill clutch? Any way to stop this slipping without taking gbox out? I really not want to take it out again.

[Nick Mann]

That shouldn't kill the clutch unless your missus has atrocious clutch slipping requirements. Is there an oil leak from the input shaft? Or excessive grease? Is the biting point high or low?

[adaxo]

She's rather normal, clutch usage wise, at least , what annoying me that she's quite hard on throttle on cold engine/tubs, but this aside, clutch pedal seems normal as always has been, plan of attack is to get inspection cover off and check clutch plate nuts if they still tight, i used thread lock, so im doubt they lose, may be able to finger check if there's any oil.
Did have slipping 6puk clutch b4 caused by pinhole in coolant pipe pissing straight on clutch through top hole in gbox case.
Did run car over 100 miles today and was trying to get some friction material off clutch disc by reducing from 5th to 3th at about 80 mph but that didn't work, it doesn't smell clutchy at all.
I assume there's not other components in drive train that could fail and give slipping clutch symptoms? Like in transfer or such?

Edit. Checks through inspection flap failed miserably, been only able to see back of fly so still not know if bolts become loose or not.

[Nick Mann]

5000rpm launch staying at biting point for plenty of slippage helps remove a layer of clutch!

[Davezj]

Adam I am on away on holiday at the moment until Wednesday but when I get back I can bob round and get boroscope in the clutch fork slot and take a look around in there you should be able to see the clutch spring cover plate bolts through there.
You might even be able to do it if you take the slave cylinder off and remover the rubber cover completely if you are desperate to do it now.
Just a thought

[adaxo]

Good point Dave, completely forgot about your scope, its best for this sort of diagnose. @Nick Mann I will try to launch it few times as last attempt to fix it b4 taking all thing apart and buy new clutch, but need to be sure that some follow me with rope in case something fail apart.
Im really getting fed up of this manual.

Btw Nick, do you still have some washers to adapt evo fly? As if I need new clutch I will get new whole lot with fly.

[Davezj]

I do have a vr4 clutch exedy one the same as you have fitted I believe. if want to take a look at it before you go and buy a new one just in case it is any good, I have the stage 3 new 6 puk friction plate for a vr4 clutch. Supposed to be ceramic/copper the same style foxdie used to have in his car and he loved the feel of it. But it is part of the manual conversion kit I have.
But I suppose anyone doing a manual conversion will probably want to buy a complete new clutch anyway so maybe it would be better to sell it some point without the clutch.

Let me know if you want to bob round when I get back, or better still I can bring it round to yours with the borascope and the ni cad battery fixing gear I have so I can see if I can revive you batteries at the same time.
Kill 3 birds with one stone so to speak.
Let me know mate.

[adaxo]

Sure I've be interested in any solution to bring me back on road, and you know that you always more than welcome to bob over, just let me know when it suits you.

I may take it apart tomorrow, fork rubber, and prepare every thing for bore scope inspection.

Cheers Dave

[Davezj]

Just remember I am not back until Thursday 17th March

[Nick Mann]

I think that I still have some.

[elnevio]

An excuse to launch! Doesn't get much better than that, lol!!

[adaxo]

Small update, take fork rubber off and try to tighten up clutch bolts, they all tight, I even managed to broke one hex key so not issue there, let's see whats going on tomorrow with @Davezj bore scope but im sure it needs to be taken off and changed again

[Davezj]

i will pop round after work tomorrow are you working tomorrow or is it your mid week day off.

let me know when is good time to pop round.

[adaxo]

i will pop round after work tomorrow are you working tomorrow or is it your mid week day off.

let me know when is good time to pop round.

I will call you when on my way back, should be about 4-5ish, to avoid traffic you can pop over later if you wish like 7ish?
On side note, to bring myself to actually want to do this job I bought an e8 gbox last night, so looking forward to get 1st 2nd and 5th ratios changed over.