braking

[HJM]

And what makes you think there input would have any affect on other peoples speed

Looks like you're outta posts !

Funny but I could have sworn that most things in life were learnt by experience or do I like going round the track just to see that funny black and white flag

H

[Wodjno]

Looks like you're outta posts !

Why ??

Funny but I could have sworn that most things in life were learnt by experience

H

Exactly my sentiments

[HJM]

Why ??



Exactly my sentiments

Ha Ha - the old editing trick - you're a genius !

Yes - so go away and practice on the track as being a tarmac terrorist is for idiots and not fair on innocent people who you will eventually hit !

Also remember everyone has the choice to drive like Jean Alesi (agressive, fun, but not so quick) or Jackie Stewart (subtle, less fun, but ultimately just that little bit quicker) - try both - I do (and so does that nutter Simon more so !)that is why tracking is so addictive

H

[Wodjno]

Ha Ha - the old editing trick - you're a genius !

Yes - so go away and practice on the track as being a tarmac terrorist is for idiots and not fair on innocent people who you will eventually hit !

Also remember everyone has the choice to drive like Jean Alesi (agressive, fun, but not so quick) or Jackie Stewart (subtle, less fun, but ultimately just that little bit quicker) - try both - I do (and so does that nutter Simon more so !)that is why tracking is so addictive

H

Oh Oh !! I'm getting Sleeeeee

[HJM]

Oh Oh !! I'm getting Sleeeeee

That's another driving problem for most of us - attention span !

[Wodjno]

That's another driving problem for most of us - attention span !

And thats what i find on most the tracks i been on

Coombe and Silverstone being the worst for this

[Wodjno]

Ha Ha - the old editing trick - you're a genius !

You are my inspiration

[HJM]

And thats what i find on most the tracks i been on

Coombe and Silverstone being the worst for this

Don't dis the Combe (which you can't spell either !) - all tracks have a lot to offer you are obviously a channel flicker and get bored easily which says a lot about your views on this thread.

Still I'm off again saturday to have yet another 'boring' time at Combe - long live being bored

H

[Wodjno]

Don't dis the Combe (which you can't spell either !) - all tracks have a lot to offer you are obviously a channel flicker and get bored easily which says a lot about your views on this thread.

Still I'm off again saturday to have yet another 'boring' time at Combe - long live being bored

H

You are right in a way

I do get bored easily And don't get me wrong Both Silverstone and Combe are great tracks for beginners

I wouldn't ever see myself getting bored with Donnigton or the Ring though..

[HJM]

You are right in a way

I do get bored easily And don't get me wrong Both Silverstone and Combe are great tracks for beginners

I wouldn't ever see myself getting bored with Donnigton or the Ring though..

Don't want to really get down to bragging rights, but I've driven most of these more than you and none are for beginners - beginners just do them more slowly.

Its a bit like being a sportsman - just because you play in a lower league doesn't mean you would not bother - no you give it your all and to the best of your abilities.

Also and this is from EXPERIENCE the VR4 could be construed as a beginners car (safe predictable), whereas the Supra (sideways death machine) is not and I dare say I'd find a GT3 RS hard to drive well - the beauty of trackdays is that you can have fun in anything, whatever your ability and that goes for blimmin braking !!!

Ok - this is my last post on this thread as my attention span is dwindling (thank god he's going to shut up I hear them cry !)

H

[White Lightning]

[Kieran]

I guess all of this is a bit like my specialist subject of car cleaning; There is a right (or perhaps I should say, 'accepted') way of doing it, which I am still learning, and probably will be for a long time yet. An 83 step cleaning ritual does produce a better result to a quick blast with a hose and a bucket of wash N' wax, but at the most basic level, both methods leave you with a clean car.

Same with braking. I like to plan ahead, slow gently and then turn, rather than standing on the pedal for the sake of a few seconds a lap.... to me that's not fun. At Castle CoooooomeByYah I was exhibiting 'Poor' textbook technique, but myself and my passenger(s) were cackling with glee as I squealed through corner after corner, but that was what I was happy with doing - and most importantly, I felt safe and in control.

So you do whatever you are comfortable with - be it honing your trackday skills, polishing your car, doing the 1/4 dash or whatever, and most importantly, it really doesn't matter if you're good or bad at it - as long as you enjoy it and have some fun that's all you need to worry about.

And that's really all there is to it.

[White Lightning]

as long as you enjoy it and have some fun that's all you need to worry about.

And that's really all there is to it.

Wise words there Kieran ...

I do want to add one thing to that last statement though ... "as long as you enjoy it, have some fun" ... and come home in one piece.

[Wodjno]

- as long as you enjoy it and have some fun that's all you need to worry about.

And that's really all there is to it.

Which is why i initially wrote this

ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz




This thread is boring


And is going nowhere


Fast

Don't want to really get down to bragging rights, but I've driven most of these more than you and none are for beginners - beginners just do them more slowly.

Its a bit like being a sportsman - just because you play in a lower league doesn't mean you would not bother - no you give it your all and to the best of your abilities.

Also and this is from EXPERIENCE the VR4 could be construed as a beginners car (safe predictable), whereas the Supra (sideways death machine) is not and I dare say I'd find a GT3 RS hard to drive well - the beauty of trackdays is that you can have fun in anything, whatever your ability and that goes for blimmin braking !!!

Ok - this is my last post on this thread as my attention span is dwindling (thank god he's going to shut up I hear them cry !)

H

Just because someone has driven round a track more times than someone else !! It doesn't mean they are faster or can drive it faster than those who haven't driven it as much

And by saying you don't want to get into bragging rights ! Means you are

I don't agree with the VR4 is a beginners car

Maybe you just didn't find out how good a VR4 can be when pused beyond it's limits

And thus, because you couldn't go any faster and struggled to pass other VR4's on track Decided to purchase a car that go's faster in a straight line so you could look like you are a faster driver



































C'mon post, post, post, post, post

[Spirit]

Yawn..........even watching England is more interesting.....


Edit: Ok, I lied, keep posting hehehe

[HJM]

Just because someone has driven round a track more times than someone else !! It doesn't mean they are faster or can drive it faster than those who haven't driven it as much

And by saying you don't want to get into bragging rights ! Means you are

I don't agree with the VR4 is a beginners car

Maybe you just didn't find out how good a VR4 can be when pused beyond it's limits

And thus, because you couldn't go any faster and struggled to pass other VR4's on track Decided to purchase a car that go's faster in a straight line so you could look like you are a faster driver



C'mon post, post, post, post, post

Ok one more !

Agreed, but doesn’t mean the opposite could be true !

How many trackdays have you experienced ?

I disagree and I know several previous VR4 owners will confirm that the VR4 is a ‘relatively’ easy car to drive (its 4wd and got AYC !) on track.

I have pushed a VR4 beyond its limits numerous times on a circuit – hence the lawnmower man nickname.

Never had difficulty passing VR4’s in a VR4 – can only recall one I have never passed and that is Richard (no disgrace there !)

My other car was originally purchased as a hack to work/weekend fun car with no intention of tracking it – it was only when I became more experienced I was confident to try it out and realised straight away it was much more fun to drive and is generally 3 secs a lap quicker around Combe and not just because of straight line ability.

I’ve come a long way since Derek taught me to drive (particularly my braking !) at Elvington !
I've had hours of fun and its cost a small fortune, but wouldn't change any of it

Now I’m really bored with this – typical Derek, lights the blue touch paper and stands back.

H

[SGHOM]

typical Derek, lights the blue touch paper and stands back.

H

not in the slightest Heath !! I've followed it with interest & will post my thoughts another time.

[Kieran]

will post my thoughts another time.

Post 'em now! We wanna hear 'em!

[g6acb]

I tend to keep quiet on discussions like these for a couple of reasons, mainly a) not lucky enough to own a VR-4 and b) never driven a car on track in my life......

but if I may make an observation.....

You are all relating braking techniques to trackdays.... trackdays where the emphasis is on having fun in a safe and controlled situation where you can push your car without fear of police, scameras etc

to keep trackdays safe and controlled, you are abiding by a set of rules i.e overtaking on one side only, sometimes only on certain parts of the track and where laptimes are not recorded...

as opposed to 'racing' where the sole object is to get past the car infront by what ever means possible without compromising yourself / car and record the fastest lap time possible lap after lap within the limits of your car to get to the end of the race.

You could have the best brake setup in the world with the best technique but generally on trackdays - and I don't recall anyone here 'racing' their car - you can only brake as late as the car in front of you - and that car may well have less ponies, a less experienced driver, fried brakes etc etc.

A perfect example of this was when I was a passenger in Heath's Supra at Donnington and a Rover 25 refused to indicate their approval that we may overtake - and that was us sat behind it for 2 laps - Heath hitting the brakes as soon as it did....

I think what trackdays require are the driver to call on a range of braking techniques - the skill would apear to me to be knowing which one to choose in any given situation

[Wodjno]

it was only when I became more experienced I was confident to try it out and realised straight away it was much more fun to drive and is generally 3 secs a lap quicker around Combe and not just because of straight line ability.



H

Timing Laps

Tut Tut Tut

I'm sure you have told me that your never time Laps as it is dangerous and pointless



And don't tell me that it was someone else who timed it

As it won't wash

PS.. Never passed me on track ??

Except when i been parked at the side