Forged pistons & rods

[Mark 4]

Is anyone prepared to share information on where they got forged pistons & rods ?

[SGHOM]

dont go there........... trust me.

[bradc]

mine have been made locally in NZ, no idea by who!

[Nutter_John]

The United States of America

or

Try giving Eurospec a call / Benh

They are not cheap by the way 2-2.5k roughly

[Kieran]

dont go there........... trust me.

You can't just say that and not elaborate... WHY?

Anyway - Mark....

KevinAPMotors has a forged engine but isn't sharing the details.

Brad's getting his made by the "Acme Quality Forged Piston Co." somewhere in new zealand.

Zentac's another forged one - He's posted some interesting information here:

http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26646

And the only other route I know of is this....

Now that Legnums have been approved for use in Australia, some of the Ozzies are on about it. In fact, having just checked - RPW (a well known Aussie tuner) are now offering rods and pistons. You can also ask on www.ozvr4.com - They're a friendly bunch.

The Rods are $1845 - I am assuming this is AUD and not USD, and on this assumption they're about £806. The Pistons are $1725, which works out at £754.

Have a looky here:

http://www.rpw.com.au/shop/index.php...0&limitstart=0

Hope this helps!

[Mark 4]

Cheers Kieran, you da man.

[Nutter_John]

The pistons from RPW should not fit our vr4's

They have a comp ratio of 12:1 which means if you lucky you get a few runs out of them before they crap there load , we need much lower ratio's (9:1 or below )

The rods do fit , but it would prob be cheaper to order direct from scat or eagle in the states or as I said contact Benh for both pistons and rods

[SGHOM]

You can't just say that and not elaborate... WHY?

I cant see the point. There's a market out there for heavily modding the likes of skylines, evo's etc, they will be around for years to come, but not VR4's.
VR4's are not made any longer, so the need for anyone to mass produce forged internals is pointless. the only way they will be financially viable is if they are mass produced.
Kev's attempt at making his car stronger & quicker ... IMHO ... has probably cost him his house ... his money.. his wife... almost everything. all for what ??
VR4's are a rarity. If you try & go down the forged internal route,and everything thats involved in that, then good luck. it's a dead end road.
just my opinion

[Mark 4]

Each to their own.

[Kieran]

Derek - I bet diamonds that someone once said that about Evos, Skylines, etc. etc.

Your argument about them not being made doesn't hold water either. There's more being imported now than ever before - Look on Ebay or in Autotrader. And as more get imported, demand will grow and people will start seeing how far they can push them.

To turn around and say it's a dead end road is just not accurate. It's a difficult road for sure, but not one that leads nowhere.


John - Oh yeah.... Just checked out the specs on those
pistons and yes, they're for the N/A 6A13 engines.... so yeah, erm, they might not be the best choice

However I would still contact RPW anyway - They post on OzVR4 and they're looking at developing parts for these cars - Might be worth a call/email!!

[SGHOM]

Each to their own.

true. I've no idea... but I guess he's spent over £20K on a £3K car just to make it go fast. I'd never do that !

[Kenneth]

Life is a dead end road, yet we all go down it.

People spend money on the things they enjoy doing.

Building any engine for serious power is big money (to do it right anyway, you cut corners and you just end up paying more in the long run) no matter what vehicle you do it on. You also never get your money back out of it, so in that regard building any engine is a dead end road.

You pay your money and have your fun. If you can afford it and are happy with the money you spent then it was a success.

Good luck with the quest Mark

[SGHOM]

Your argument about them not being made doesn't hold water either.

was it Brad ? or someone, who posted a list of how many were actually made ?? not that many IIRC

[Kieran]

was it Brad ? or someone, who posted a list of how many were actually made ?? not that many IIRC

Depends how you define 'Not Many'. I can't tell how many of these were VR-4s, however I do know the production figures for Galant and Legnum in Japan from 1996 - 2001.

In that time:

221,312 Galants
162,358 Legnums

Were produced - That's more than a 1/4 million. Not a huge seller, but good enough!

[Nutter_John]

think Brad did post up and there were around 6,000 vr4's made so even with a 2% take up thats 15 sets of pistons , so ain't that bad , yep not as many as Evo or Sky's

[SGHOM]

think Brad did post up and there were around 6,000 vr4's made so even with a 2% take up thats 15 sets of pistons , so ain't that bad , yep not as many as Evo or Sky's

So no market. It's a stand alone job, & just too expensive to consider imho.
Bear in mind, my car is still the fastest known VR4 in the world... & I didn't need forged internals for that !

[Mark 4]

Life is a dead end road, yet we all go down it.

People spend money on the things they enjoy doing.

Building any engine for serious power is big money (to do it right anyway, you cut corners and you just end up paying more in the long run) no matter what vehicle you do it on. You also never get your money back out of it, so in that regard building any engine is a dead end road.

You pay your money and have your fun. If you can afford it and are happy with the money you spent then it was a success.

Good luck with the quest Mark

Respect Ken, exactly what I would have saidif I could be bothered to type it.

[Mark 4]

Actually, I can be bothered to type a bit.

I'm 44. I've got 2 great kids and both are over 18 now. I will celebrate 25 years of (mostly) happy marriage next year and I have 2 fun loving Grand children. I've worked hard all my life and tried to have the things that I wanted along the way but this has only ever happened occasionally for all of the obvious reasons.

I've never had a really fast car - especially not one that is as capable as a VR4. I've had plenty of fast bikes but kinda grown out of them at the moment. When I was a kid I used to dream of having a Porsche and the latest big Kawasaki. Now I have a VR4 and it is... well read this thread

http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25293

So, I'm happy enough to spend relatively large sums on a new found hobby that I really enjoy. It is not an investment, it is enjoyment.

Also, there are younger people in this club that are in the process of raising families and forging careers. They cannot afford to spend a lot of money on their cars but they can be inspired by older people who say **** the expense -lets have Nitrous, lets have forged internals, lets have bigger turbos because we have raised our families, our real work is done and now it is time to have FUN.

Not being funny or clever, just saying it like it is. I don't need anyone to tell me how to live or what to spend my money on.

[bradc]

lots more than 6000, I think it was more like 40000 in total made, evo production went something like

evo1 5000
evo2 5000
evo3 5000
evo4 7000
evo5 7000
evo6 10000

evo 7/8/9 were unlimited runs and were a lot more popular.

Now look at all of the early evo's out there with a huge amount of work done to them.

VR-4's are great cars, have two extra cylinders, and extra 0.5 capacity and pull like mad throughout the rev range. I don't have any qualms putting a lot of money into mine, you only live once and I damned well want to have a 500hp station wagon before petrol is worth more than diamonds.

[Gly]

Actually, I can be bothered to type a bit.

I'm 44. I've got 2 great kids and both are over 18 now. I will celebrate 25 years of (mostly) happy marriage next year and I have 2 fun loving Grand children. I've worked hard all my life and tried to have the things that I wanted along the way but this has only ever happened occasionally for all of the obvious reasons.

I've never had a really fast car - especially not one that is as capable as a VR4. I've had plenty of fast bikes but kinda grown out of them at the moment. When I was a kid I used to dream of having a Porsche and the latest big Kawasaki. Now I have a VR4 and it is... well read this thread

http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25293

So, I'm happy enough to spend relatively large sums on a new found hobby that I really enjoy. It is not an investment, it is enjoyment.

Also, there are younger people in this club that are in the process of raising families and forging careers. They cannot afford to spend a lot of money on their cars but they can be inspired by older people who say **** the expense -lets have Nitrous, lets have forged internals, lets have bigger turbos because we have raised our families, our real work is done and now it is time to have FUN.

Not being funny or clever, just saying it like it is. I don't need anyone to tell me how to live or what to spend my money on.

good on you,
i cant afford to spend money on modding my car either...
but if theres a will theres a way,

you only live once, whats the point of saving every penny you earn,
waste it on stuff that makes you happy IMO