200 bhp without a turbo

[Scanny]

the n/a v6 has 161 bhp as standard. The magic number i want is 200 without taking the head off and without a turbo/supercharger. How do i get it and who can do it ie any garage, a tuning garage or a mechanic who specialises in galants?

[ANTHONY]

if it is possable, proberly Eurospec

[Wodjno]

the n/a v6 has 161 bhp as standard. The magic number i want is 200 without taking the head off and without a turbo/supercharger. How do i get it and who can do it ie any garage, a tuning garage or a mechanic who specialises in galants?

Without taking the head off i would say it's impossibe

[elnevio]

Nitrous would do it!

[Wodjno]

Nitrous would do it!

But in his other thread he wants Longevity in his engine and doesn't want to blow it up

[bradc]

Full exhaust system including manifolds, air intake, remapping should do it

[djb160]

Cams and/or gears?

[Ryan]

Cams and/or gears?

"...The magic number i want is 200 without taking the head off ..."

[KHK]

the MIVEC NA engine claims to have 200bhp that i personally think no excitement to drive at all indeed

[Ryan]

Just stumbled across this linky

http://motortorque.askaprice.com/art...n-a-budget.asp

[Turbo_Steve]

I'd definitely get a bit of Ram induction going on

[Scanny]

thats exactly the kind of thing i have on the list brad. Full decat exhaust including manifold which would have the heat wrap on if i can find evidence that it works. Piggyback ecu. Kryton tuned. K&n panel filter (i checked when i bought it, same part number for the 2.0 and 2.5 so it should swap over). I dont know how much difference all this would make though

[Eurospec]

The 6A12 mivec is supposed to make 200, but it rarely does. You can get those up to like 220 with extractor manifolds, down pipes, induction, full exhaust and a remap, but that is a) rare, and b) quite expensive.

I wouldnt really expect to go more than 185, bearing in mind its likely to not have as much as 160 to start with.

In fairness i dont know for sure 'cause i've never tried.

Cheers,

Ben.

[ritch_w]

scanny - find out what IBoots (Ian) did to his to 180 - 190ish. Theres a thread on his car, on e-bay, at the moment too.
Another chap (cant remember name) got around 190ish (IIRC) at a vr4 rolling road day - not sure of mods.

And going back to the old skool owners, there was guy in germany called Twist or twister that had a v6 estate that was around the magic 200 mark on exhaust, cams etc and did some quick lap times around the ring.

hope this helps!

[Wodjno]

Without taking the head off i would say it's impossibe

I've changed my mind

I know a fairly easy solution

[Subaru ETA]

"...The magic number i want is 200 without taking the head off ..."

eeerrr you dont takes the heads off to do cams ryan....

[Scanny]

im not concerned about cost. I have had the gls for over 3 years and im planning to have the v6 longer than that so im happy to chuck 500 at it every so often on upgrades and since i like how it looks i wont be spending money on cosmetics. I will be looking at stripping some weight though. Anyone can floor it on a straight road but i prefer twists and turns hence the focus is on acceleration and handling

[Throbbe]

I'm sure it's doable, although you'd probably be wanting a p&p to get there. I'm not sure if the bang/buck ratio would be worthwhile to be honest. With the amount of money you'd end up spending it would probably be cheaper running a VR!

[psbarham]

for a start the compression ratio is pathetically low so the thermal efficiency of the engine is shocking, to get any sort of power out of the n/a v6 the compression needs upping quite a bit, also the cam timing is a tad conservative so a re grind is in order, so while the heads are off doing that lot you might as well do a bit of porting.
then of course there's a remap to make al these mods worth while, i would say 220 is possible with being conservative on the mapping front

[Wodjno]

for a start the compression ratio is pathetically low so the thermal efficiency of the engine is shocking, to get any sort of power out of the n/a v6 the compression needs upping quite a bit, also the cam timing is a tad conservative so a re grind is in order, so while the heads are off doing that lot you might as well do a bit of porting.
then of course there's a remap to make al these mods worth while, i would say 220 is possible with being conservative on the mapping front

But he specified 200bhp+ without the Heads being taken off