Am I Mad...?

[Turbo_Steve]

I must seem really negative - I thought I was being quite balanced!

Nick - BMW330d tourer? Saab TD estates? Audi A4 2.5 TDI Estate?

Not a one of them will match the VR4 from a standing start, I agree. But how often, really, do you do off-the-line launches?

Any of the above diesels with a remap is comparable to an auto VR4 running a boost controller


And the ATR is a truly brilliant car. It's just got an annoying boot and is a touch slow when four up

[Wodjno]

see immediate Fail comes into play when you mention commute and a 2.5V6 TT



Wasnt meant to be strong Steve, just the ill feeling towards the VR4 i picked up last night

You dumped the Evo already ? Or avin both

[miller]

You dumped the Evo already ? Or avin both

No, ill feeling from Steve. Chatting to him and Nev in person last night, supposed to be car fettling but the weather put paid to that the moment i arrived!

[elnevio]

supposed to be car fettling but the weather put paid to that the moment i arrived!

Too right it did! I now have more to do in less time prior to JapFest! Makes it all the more exciting!

[Kryton]

You bought another VR4? I was quite impressed with the MPG on a run the other night. £60 ish to do 240 miles & driving fairly hard for half of it

[miller]

Not bought another VR4!!!!!

[Turbo_Steve]

You bought another VR4? I was quite impressed with the MPG on a run the other night. £60 ish to do 240 miles & driving fairly hard for half of it

That's exactly the problem right there - it wasn't too thirsty on the hard driving, but it was utterly useless at being frugal on cruise.

[Kryton]

I didn't even think it was too bad cruising but I agree that they ain't the best, in fact, far from it. I use mine mostly round town & it is starting to feel that I am spending half of my life at the pump & with 99 ron fuel round here at betweeen 125 & 130 per litre, it is starting to get a bit silly.

[Wodjno]

Not a one of them will match the VR4 from a standing start, I agree. But how often, really, do you do off-the-line launches?

4 in 10 mins..

Just now On way back from takin boys to boxing.

1 x S2000 dispatched

3 x Astra VXR. 2 x dispatched 1 x didn't want to know anymore

And thats with a still broken Dumpvalve

There is still nothing else out there that can match a VR4 all round for peanuts money period

[Kryton]

I think you have made a point there, & to think all that can be done whilst staying under 70

[Wodjno]

I think you have made a point there, & to think all that can be done whilst staying under 70

I din't even go past 50

[bradc]

Steve is just whinging because his car gets crap fuel consumption. Some of us get considerably better fuel economy

[chris300zx]

see thats the problem i aint getting good fuel economy 240 miles to a tank of 99 ron is getting expensive when i do nearly 500 miles a week so i assume an atr aint a bad car as long as you dont want to move house with the size of the boot.?

[aboo]

I can see where both Steve & Chris are coming from.

I'm in the lucky position where I have a works van & fuel for that is paid for & only drive the Leggy at weekends & short trips during the week droping the kids of at clubs that they go to.

The wife drive's it during the week for school runs & shopping trips so fuel costs are'nt to bad for me.

If I was covering 500 plus miles a week going back & forth to work I think I would be looking for a cheap run around or selling up.

Going to Japfest this weekend is going to be over 1000 mile round trip & our biggest out lay on the trip will be fuel.

[Wodjno]

I achieved 395 miles from a tank, on 4 100 mile round trips to work and back. This is from the same car that aldo achieved 4.5mpg on track and as low as 9mpg average on blatting round town and an average of 170 miles per tank around town..
I'm not saying it's easy! But 300+ should be easyish on a tank on long runs

[Turbo_Steve]

At what speed, Wodj?
If it's less than 80mph, then the diesel still wins.

[Wodjno]

At what speed, Wodj?
If it's less than 80mph, then the diesel still wins.

WTF Steve !!

The Diesel wins what ? It will only win MPG..
If thats what your after then quit the battle, and go buy a Diseasel !
Then go buy a Great looking estate car. Then go buy a 4wd sports car.. Then go.. Then go... Then go..... Thththththhhhhhh...

[Kieran]

Interesting thread.

I might pen my own thoughts here when they've gestated a bit more.

[Nick Mann]

Just some specs.
Still don't think I agree on the whole performance thing..... I also think that the german offerings below are significantly smaller than the 8G when looking at boot space but I can't find official figures for the Leggies boot capacity.

BMW 330d auto tourer
power 204 bhp
torque 243 lbs/ft
0-60 7.8
35.8 mpg combined
4478 long
1739 wide
1409 high
435 litre boot
1345 litre capacity rear seats folded

Saab 9-5 3.0 V6 TiD Manual (Can't see auto?)
power 176 bhp
torque --- lbs/ft
0-60 9.3
37.2 mpg combined
4828 long
1792 wide
1480 high
416 litre boot
1490 litre capacity rear seats folded

Audi A4 2.5 TDi SE Auto
power 150 bhp
torque --- lbs/ft
0-60 10.2
36.2 mpg combined
4478 long
1733 wide
1417 high
390 litre boot
1250 litre capacity rear seats folded

Legnum VR-4 Auto
power 260 bhp
torque 267 lbs/ft
0-60 6.5
18.0 mpg combined
4680 long
1740 wide
1445 high
--- litre boot
---- litre capacity rear seats folded

[funkstardelux]

just for the smile factor a few days ago a pair of headlights came up behind me real close on a intown road, he decided to pull out to take me coming to a round about, i gently..honestly judge put my foot down , around into the roundabout exiting floored it nearly redlining..won;t say the speed coughs..anyhow had a mature moment and let off..
car pulled out and came past ...brand new merc 6 litre sl sports car..the big expensive jobbies...
i had a smile on my face that is still there...
my 14 year old car kept back an 70-80 grand merc sports car..
priceless