GROUP BUY: 264 degree cam regrinds

[Adam.Findlay]

As detailed in this thread
http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthr...oi+cam+regrind

I will be organising a group buy of cam regrinds via kennely cams @ $630 NZD for all 4 camshafts EDIT you must supply stock cams to be reground, although if i can source extra ones locally I may do it on exchange basis

http://www.kcams.co.nz/Menu/Home.php

Peter kennard, the man who runs the above mentioned business is the man who used to design cam profiles for kelford camtech, now he runs his own business here in christchurch

the numbers told to myself by peter were taking the stock cams to 264 degres of duration @ 0.1mm lift. and bringing the overall lift of the cams to 10.5mm this is a huge step up on stock cams and even out performs the RPW billet cams (272 advertised duration @ 0 lift and 8.5mm overll lift) these RPW cams retail for $2300+ NZD almost 4 times the cost
http://www.rpw.com.au/shop/index.php...emart&Itemid=1

some people may worry about removing the hardened surface from the working surface from the cam lobe., this is not an issue as there is no material being ground off the tip of the lobe which is the part of the cam which does all the work. ie the part that needs to be hard.
the only issue with this is because the cams have so much lift they require the valve springs to be changed to ones which wont bind. but again as mentioned in the thread linked above evo 4G63T valve springs fit which peter can supply at $345NZD for a set of 24 springs
the valve springs can be easily changed folowing the guide below
http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-how...r-install.html
the valve springs can easily be changed without taking the engine out of the car or even taking the head off the engine, saving hundreds and hundreds of dollars on head gaskets and lots of time

so far the list of intrested persons is a follows
New Zealand
-Myself (cams + springs)
-Carl (cams + springs)
-Kenneth (cams + springs)
-Scott.mohekey (cams+springs)

Australia
-Trent (cams+springs)


the more people intrested could possibly bring down the cost of the regrind and possibly the cost of valve springs also. please register your intrest I look to complete this by early febuary

[foxdie]

Hi Adam, 2 things;

1. Would Peter consider doing a joint purchase deal of the cam regrinds + springs (as you've said, you need uprated springs to use the cam regrinds) for something like $900 NZD?
2. How much for P&P to the UK?

Thanks in advance

[Kenneth]

What is the time frame for this?

Just about to move house, so not a good time until late this month. Otherwise I am in

Ken

As detailed in this thread
http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthr...oi+cam+regrind

I will be organising a group buy of cam regrinds via kennely cams @ $630 NZD for all 4 camshafts

http://www.kcams.co.nz/Menu/Home.php

Peter kennard, the man who runs the above mentioned business is the man who used to design cam profiles for kelford camtech, now he runs his own business here in christchurch

the numbers told to myself by peter were taking the stock cams to 264 degres of duration @ 0.1mm lift. and bringing the overall lift of the cams to 10.5mm this is a huge step up on stock cams and even out performs the RPW billet cams (272 advertised duration @ 0 lift and 8.5mm overll lift) these RPW cams retail for $2300+ NZD almost 4 times the cost
http://www.rpw.com.au/shop/index.php...emart&Itemid=1

some people may worry about removing the hardened surface from the working surface from the cam lobe., this is not an issue as there is no material being ground off the tip of the lobe which is the part of the cam which does all the work. ie the part that needs to be hard.
the only issue with this is because the cams have so much lift they require the valve springs to be changed to ones which wont bind. but again as mentioned in the thread linked above evo 4G63T valve springs fit which peter can supply at $345NZD for a set of 24 springs
the valve springs can be easily changed folowing the guide below
http://forums.evolutionm.net/evo-how...r-install.html
the valve springs can easily be changed without taking the engine out of the car or even taking the head off the engine, saving hundreds and hundreds of dollars on head gaskets and lots of time

so far the list of intrested persons is a follows
-Myself
-Carl aka patryn999
-Kenneth (maby)


the more people intrested could possibly bring down the cost of the regrind and possibly the cost of valve springs also. please register your intrest I look to complete this by early febuary

[Gly]

so i take it that is the cost when you supply your own cams?

or is that cams supplied?...


also http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthread.php?61522

if anyone wants to buy a spare set to get worked.

(can take paypal if any oversea's buyer wants them)

[Adam.Findlay]

Hi Adam, 2 things;

1. Would Peter consider doing a joint purchase deal of the cam regrinds + springs (as you've said, you need uprated springs to use the cam regrinds) for something like $900 NZD?
2. How much for P&P to the UK?

Thanks in advance

1.-I shall go down to see him now and enquire about what sort of deal he can do for at least 3 sets being done + springs. plus as Gly mentioned below the regrind is done on a "I bring him x stock cams and he gives me them back after he regrinds them" so you would either have to source some cams in nz for me to bring him (buy Gly's ones) or post me some of your own
2.- never posted to the uk before maby someone else could give an estimate on this??

What is the time frame for this?

Just about to move house, so not a good time until late this month. Otherwise I am in

Ken

As stated at the very end of my first post end of jan / start of feb. So Ill count you in for cams + springs?

so i take it that is the cost when you supply your own cams?

or is that cams supplied?...


also http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthread.php?61522

if anyone wants to buy a spare set to get worked.

(can take paypal if any oversea's buyer wants them)

You must send in a set of cams (sorry bit of a big oversight there)

[Kenneth]

Yep, I'm in for cams and springs.

[Adam.Findlay]

Kenneth if you are intrested Carl and myself will be purchasing one of the valve spring compressors required

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-OH...item27c17dd76c

could send it up to you to install the springs with. save you having to take the heads off

[Adam.Findlay]

also for any UK members intrested i just found NJ's thread
http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthr...et-of-VR4-cams

[Kenneth]

That would be great, thanks

Kenneth if you are intrested Carl and myself will be purchasing one of the valve spring compressors required

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-OH...item27c17dd76c

could send it up to you to install the springs with. save you having to take the heads off

[wintertidenz]

PM bradc - he may be interested as well.

[Wodjno]

[Adam.Findlay]

PM bradc - he may be interested as well.

done

not sure what you mean by that but come on. do it....

[scott.mohekey]

What effect can we expect these to have?

[Adam.Findlay]

In basics, shift peak toque and horsepower over to the right about 1000rpm. as well as increasing flow in higher RPM possibly allowing our tiny turbos to hold 15psi of boost all the way to the 7200RPM redline. as well as peak torque curve extended past the stock 4500rpm allowing peak horsepower to be pushed toward the stock redline. more torque higher in the rev range = more horsepower.
the few people here on club who have used cams are
-zentac (600+ hp 6a13tt)
-Shane aka Fully (cams on a stock engine stock turbos with only a 600x300x76 FMIC)

shane mentioned to me once that his reground cams "woke the car up alot with a boost increase to 1 bar" and I belive he did that with stock cam gears and stock tune.
combine the cams I am offering with some adjustable cam gears
http://www.lelong.com.my/works-t7-ca...-01-Sale-I.htm
aswell as a 7203 or 7202 reflash ecu tune and some good gains are to be had,

PS: could possibly be organising a Group Buy on the cam gears linked above once SAF68 verifies the quality of the works engineering products as stated in this thread
http://www.clubvr4.com/forum/showthr...1415-Cams-gear

[Adam.Findlay]

also when I take the cams in I will get peter to do a screenshot of the stock cams lift and duration (from his little machine) and then a screen shot of the reground ones, you all know what the centerlines and overlap are so if you do wish to offset the timing by a tooth on the timing belt or with adjustable cam gears you know which way you will need to adjust it for what you are trying to acheive

[lathiat]

I'm keen.. but I'm guessing I'll need to get my camshafts over to you?

Fortunately I have a spare engine so I'm thinking I can take them out of that for the swapover.

Or are camshafts dime a dozen in NZ?

[Adam.Findlay]

I'm keen.. but I'm guessing I'll need to get my camshafts over to you?

Fortunately I have a spare engine so I'm thinking I can take them out of that for the swapover.

Or are camshafts dime a dozen in NZ?

Dime a dozen i wish. probably about the same as in OZ

yes you will need to supply me with stock cams as I only have one spare set to regrind and that is so I dont have to take my legnum off the road for more then the weekend taken to fit the cams. you might get lucky having a browse on trademe and find some here in nz and save yourself having to pay shipping both ways.

[swinks]

Oh... welll...it's always wrong time.
Haven't got spare 500 quid (excluding spring set and 2x shipping) to pursuit this project. Very tempting tho, but need this cash for different purpose. If it was offered later this year (September onwards), then I'm in, but now it's being jealous left for me.

[Adam.Findlay]

Oh... welll...it's always wrong time.
Haven't got spare 500 quid (excluding spring set and 2x shipping) to pursuit this project. Very tempting tho, but need this cash for different purpose. If it was offered later this year (September onwards), then I'm in, but now it's being jealous left for me.

the price stated above is what he quoted me for one regrind and one set of springs, the purpose of this thread is to gather numbers of intrested persons so I can take that number to him and try get the unit price down for each person via a group buy as I will be bringing him potentially thousands of dollars worth of work with minimal retooling effort on his part.
I can do this later in the year as a one unit order if you so wish but there will be slim to none chance for discount. Or if i find some cheap spare cams here in nz I may add them to the list and then sell them on at a later date..

[swinks]

Adam, that seems alright, and sure later this year I'll be up for those cams. I need to finish one project first before jump into another, and I need to be very careful with optimistic over stretching budget. Anyway thanks for giving some hope...